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My experience with Mike Dringenberg

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miraclemet

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has anyone ever thought of writing up a 1/2 page flyer for talent about CGC SS?

 

I could see more information helping them to understand that we arent all just a bunch of dirty flippers...

 

...like the cost and time that goes into getting a book certified, graded, and slabbed

 

....like a reminder that someone "asking" for a lot of money on ebay is not the same as someone paying a lot of money.

 

.... like when us collectors do sell its typically for one of two reasons a) financial hardship (after we've already sold our blood) or to put money back into the hobby for more books, signatures, commissions etc.

 

...like why we window bag our books

 

.... like why we use facilitators (because we love the artists, and if we cant be there, getting a sig thru a facilitator is the nest best thing)

 

.... like the fact that facilitators don't make money doing this, but do it as a service to the community (and yeah sometimes some bragging rights).

 

...like the fact that a CGC signature is our best way to know we are getting an authentic autograph from the talent around the books we love when we cant be there to witness it.

 

... like we are happy to abide by whatever method you see fit to share your signature (# limits, donations, personalizations, virgin sacrifices)

 

just seems like many of the push back issues from talent could be mitigated with some more information so they also know where we are coming from...

 

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Transplant

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No.. I'm just getting tired of seeing negative bs

 

Anything positive that we can have a 50 page thread to talk about would be nice

Right on cue.
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comix4fun

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Three different threads, a bleeding cool article & comments all over Facebook from different artists. Must be that Seattle weather

 

 

Didn't see any FB posts about it. Any in particular?

 

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miraclemet

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has anyone ever thought of writing up a 1/2 page flyer for talent about CGC SS?

 

Brilliant! I've got one started!

 

I just think it'd be a great thing for facilitators to have in their back pockets when they come up and start getting signatures...

 

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MedicAR

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How about something like this?

 

CGC Signature Series

 

What Is It?

 

CGC Signature Series is a service offered by Comics Guaranty Corporation where a company authorized witness must see a creator sign a comic they worked on so that they can in turn submit the comic to CGC for grading, encapsulation, and certification that the signature is genuine. CGC has been grading and encapsulating comics since 2000 and the first independent, third party grading service. The encapsulation of the comic is designed to maintain the grade/condition of the book after the grading process. The capsules (often referred to as "slabs") are also tamper evident, a feature that is very important to autograph collectors, creating a perfect marriage for comic collectors. There are stringent guidelines and a strict code of ethics to be a CGC witness.

 

 

Who Buys CGC Signature Series?

 

Collectors of CGC Signature Series are as varied as comics themselves and the reasons they collect them are equally varied. Some of the most common reasons:

  • A special connection to the book itself that is enhanced by knowing that book has been handled by its creator.
  • A momento of meeting the creator or of a special trip.
  • A way to obtain authentic signatures of creators that the fan cannot meet themselves.
  • Completing a set, or adding an extra "special something" to a set.
  • Creating a unique collectible by getting signatures from one or more creators.
  • Added value in the secondary marketplace.

The last reason frequently raises eyebrows. Generally, the signature of a talent related to an item will add value to that item. This is true in any hobby and comics are no exception. It is not uncommon to see CGC Signature Series items listed on eBay at multiples of the price of their ungraded counterparts. Keep in mind that CGC is a business, like any other, and they charge fees for the grading and encapsulation of comics. The base rate starts at $18 (plus shipping to and from CGC and insurance) and go up to $95 per book (again, plus shipping and insurance). A good median investment for the physical items and CGC's grading service is $75 per book for new items once shipping and insurance are added. In addition to this, there is the investment of time on the part of the people at the conventions and appearances to obtain signatures as well as their expenses involved in admission fees, travel fees, hotel fees, meals and so on, just like any other convention exhibitor or attendee.

 

 

Why Should I Sign?

 

Not everyone can attend the conventions that their favorite creators are attending, this allows those fans to get a signature that they know is authentic. It may not just be "a" book by that creator, but "their" book by that creator. It is very common for fans to send their own books to a CGC authorized witness to take to a show to be signed, again creating that special connection.

 

 

That's A Stack of Books, Aren't These Just Going To Wind Up on eBay?

 

As many fans will send their books to a witness for a particular creator, these witnesses may have several books for a single creator, including multiples of the same book. It is understandable that there would be concerns about unscrupulous autograph seekers selling copies on the secondary market. CGC authorized witnesses are required to identify themselves and let the signer know that the books are to be submitted to CGC in an effort to avoid any misunderstanding or hard feelings. The collectors that utilize these services and the witnesses themselves are very understanding about the demands that these may place on creators and their time at a convention and are generally happy to compensate the signers or accommodate requests to allow other fans to come first and that the books will be signed as time permits. There are certainly CGC Signature Series books on eBay from many creators and it is not uncommon for the CGC authorized witnesses to attempt to recoup some of their costs associated with attending conventions by selling books. That's not all of the secondary market, though. There are collectors who have had a change in collecting focus, are in need of money, are getting out of the hobby, or are financing another collectible purchase.

 

 

Isn't This Just Manufacturing A "Limited Edition" Without Authorization?

 

No. As long as there are other copies of a book out there and the creator is willing to sign, there can be more of that book graded and certified.

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comix4fun

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I could see more information helping them to understand that we arent all just a bunch of dirty flippers...

 

[font:Book Antiqua]Anyone say dirty flipper...?

$ 3,900.00 OBO

3 months old book...[/font]

 

Ebay Link...

 

fliper_zps31bf1d62.jpg

 

 

Optimistic. hm

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jonjesper

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has anyone ever thought of writing up a 1/2 page flyer for talent about CGC SS?

 

Brilliant! I've got one started!

 

Brought this to the attention of CGC about 4 years ago...

Nothing materialized...

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joecgcmaniac

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Three different threads, a bleeding cool article & comments all over Facebook from different artists. Must be that Seattle weather

 

 

Didn't see any FB posts about it. Any in particular?

 

this?

 

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/03/05/how-mike-dringenberg-made-a-sandman-fan-sad/

 

He was asking about Facebook posts, yet you have a link to the Bleeding Cool article he mentioned. :facepalm:

 

There is a Facebook page for "Sadfan Fan Club" lol

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Just my .02 I have been in comics business wise since about 1988..Its how I paid my way through college. Artists, writers etc. are people too, but they are people that rely on others to purchase their items.To hurt someone else's property is wrong, even if that person got in your face and called you all kinds of foul names. There seems to be no accountability anymore for anything. The man was wrong for what he did period. There isn't 2 sides to this one. He isn't the customer, he is the one who was getting paid to be there. Sorry this happened to you or anyone. It was wrong, the artist is human, but he should at least apologize. Its the right thing to do. He lost a fan here, which is sad. Cause Sandman 1 was a good seller for me in the 90's..

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How about something like this?

 

CGC Signature Series

 

What Is It?

 

CGC Signature Series is a service offered by Comics Guaranty Corporation where a company authorized witness must see a creator sign a comic they worked on so that they can in turn submit the comic to CGC for grading, encapsulation, and certification that the signature is genuine. CGC has been grading and encapsulating comics since 2000 and the first independent, third party grading service. The encapsulation of the comic is designed to maintain the grade/condition of the book after the grading process. The capsules (often referred to as "slabs") are also tamper evident, a feature that is very important to autograph collectors, creating a perfect marriage for comic collectors. There are stringent guidelines and a strict code of ethics to be a CGC witness.

 

 

Who Buys CGC Signature Series?

 

Collectors of CGC Signature Series are as varied as comics themselves and the reasons they collect them are equally varied. Some of the most common reasons:

  • A special connection to the book itself that is enhanced by knowing that book has been handled by its creator.
  • A momento of meeting the creator or of a special trip.
  • A way to obtain authentic signatures of creators that the fan cannot meet themselves.
  • Completing a set, or adding an extra "special something" to a set.
  • Creating a unique collectible by getting signatures from one or more creators.
  • Added value in the secondary marketplace.

The last reason frequently raises eyebrows. Generally, the signature of a talent related to an item will add value to that item. This is true in any hobby and comics are no exception. It is not uncommon to see CGC Signature Series items listed on eBay at multiples of the price of their ungraded counterparts. Keep in mind that CGC is a business, like any other, and they charge fees for the grading and encapsulation of comics. The base rate starts at $18 (plus shipping to and from CGC and insurance) and go up to $95 per book (again, plus shipping and insurance). A good median investment for the physical items and CGC's grading service is $75 per book for new items once shipping and insurance are added. In addition to this, there is the investment of time on the part of the people at the conventions and appearances to obtain signatures as well as their expenses involved in admission fees, travel fees, hotel fees, meals and so on, just like any other convention exhibitor or attendee.

 

 

Why Should I Sign?

 

Not everyone can attend the conventions that their favorite creators are attending, this allows those fans to get a signature that they know is authentic. It may not just be "a" book by that creator, but "their" book by that creator. It is very common for fans to send their own books to a CGC authorized witness to take to a show to be signed, again creating that special connection.

 

 

That's A Stack of Books, Aren't These Just Going To Wind Up on eBay?

 

As many fans will send their books to a witness for a particular creator, these witnesses may have several books for a single creator, including multiples of the same book. It is understandable that there would be concerns about unscrupulous autograph seekers selling copies on the secondary market. CGC authorized witnesses are required to identify themselves and let the signer know that the books are to be submitted to CGC in an effort to avoid any misunderstanding or hard feelings. The collectors that utilize these services and the witnesses themselves are very understanding about the demands that these may place on creators and their time at a convention and are generally happy to compensate the signers or accommodate requests to allow other fans to come first and that the books will be signed as time permits. There are certainly CGC Signature Series books on eBay from many creators and it is not uncommon for the CGC authorized witnesses to attempt to recoup some of their costs associated with attending conventions by selling books. That's not all of the secondary market, though. There are collectors who have had a change in collecting focus, are in need of money, are getting out of the hobby, or are financing another collectible purchase.

 

 

Isn't This Just Manufacturing A "Limited Edition" Without Authorization?

 

No. As long as there are other copies of a book out there and the creator is willing to sign, there can be more of that book graded and certified.

 

That looks like a pretty good start. I'd actually kick off with "What is CGC" and then "What is Signature Series".

 

 

I've got some other ideas too - might PM them to you if that's OK.

 

Adam

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miraclemet

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How about something like this?

 

CGC Signature Series

 

What Is It?

 

CGC Signature Series is a service offered by Comics Guaranty Corporation where a company authorized witness must see a creator sign a comic they worked on so that they can in turn submit the comic to CGC for grading, encapsulation, and certification that the signature is genuine. CGC has been grading and encapsulating comics since 2000 and the first independent, third party grading service. The encapsulation of the comic is designed to maintain the grade/condition of the book after the grading process. The capsules (often referred to as "slabs") are also tamper evident, a feature that is very important to autograph collectors, creating a perfect marriage for comic collectors. There are stringent guidelines and a strict code of ethics to be a CGC witness.

 

 

Who Buys CGC Signature Series?

 

Collectors of CGC Signature Series are as varied as comics themselves and the reasons they collect them are equally varied. Some of the most common reasons:

  • A special connection to the book itself that is enhanced by knowing that book has been handled by its creator.
  • A momento of meeting the creator or of a special trip.
  • A way to obtain authentic signatures of creators that the fan cannot meet themselves.
  • Completing a set, or adding an extra "special something" to a set.
  • Creating a unique collectible by getting signatures from one or more creators.
  • Added value in the secondary marketplace.

The last reason frequently raises eyebrows. Generally, the signature of a talent related to an item will add value to that item. This is true in any hobby and comics are no exception. It is not uncommon to see CGC Signature Series items listed on eBay at multiples of the price of their ungraded counterparts. Keep in mind that CGC is a business, like any other, and they charge fees for the grading and encapsulation of comics. The base rate starts at $18 (plus shipping to and from CGC and insurance) and go up to $95 per book (again, plus shipping and insurance). A good median investment for the physical items and CGC's grading service is $75 per book for new items once shipping and insurance are added. In addition to this, there is the investment of time on the part of the people at the conventions and appearances to obtain signatures as well as their expenses involved in admission fees, travel fees, hotel fees, meals and so on, just like any other convention exhibitor or attendee.

 

 

Why Should I Sign?

 

Not everyone can attend the conventions that their favorite creators are attending, this allows those fans to get a signature that they know is authentic. It may not just be "a" book by that creator, but "their" book by that creator. It is very common for fans to send their own books to a CGC authorized witness to take to a show to be signed, again creating that special connection.

 

 

That's A Stack of Books, Aren't These Just Going To Wind Up on eBay?

 

As many fans will send their books to a witness for a particular creator, these witnesses may have several books for a single creator, including multiples of the same book. It is understandable that there would be concerns about unscrupulous autograph seekers selling copies on the secondary market. CGC authorized witnesses are required to identify themselves and let the signer know that the books are to be submitted to CGC in an effort to avoid any misunderstanding or hard feelings. The collectors that utilize these services and the witnesses themselves are very understanding about the demands that these may place on creators and their time at a convention and are generally happy to compensate the signers or accommodate requests to allow other fans to come first and that the books will be signed as time permits. There are certainly CGC Signature Series books on eBay from many creators and it is not uncommon for the CGC authorized witnesses to attempt to recoup some of their costs associated with attending conventions by selling books. That's not all of the secondary market, though. There are collectors who have had a change in collecting focus, are in need of money, are getting out of the hobby, or are financing another collectible purchase.

 

 

Isn't This Just Manufacturing A "Limited Edition" Without Authorization?

 

No. As long as there are other copies of a book out there and the creator is willing to sign, there can be more of that book graded and certified.

 

That looks like a pretty good start. I'd actually kick off with "What is CGC" and then "What is Signature Series".

 

 

I've got some other ideas too - might PM them to you if that's OK.

 

Adam

 

Lots of great content in there!

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I could see more information helping them to understand that we arent all just a bunch of dirty flippers...

 

[font:Book Antiqua]Anyone say dirty flipper...?

$ 3,900.00 OBO

3 months old book...[/font]

 

Ebay Link...

 

fliper_zps31bf1d62.jpg

 

 

Optimistic. hm

 

 

Yeah 1 sold for 3k then they dropped off to about 1800 now.....

 

I flipped mine for 22 and 28........bought some nice ASM 129's! booyah :)

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