Tsp99 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Nice stuff. Those who would take a high grade css 22 over a Venus 19 in high grade are welcome to their choice, but css 22 is so much easier a book - going back to before it got hot. I have two copies of css 22 - zero of Venus 19 - so that probably colors my opinion. I agree. No question that Venus 19 is much, much tougher to find than CSS 22 across all grades.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
october Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I would take a Venus 19 in a heartbeat over CSS 22. I have one of the former, and have owned at least four or five copies of the latter. Venus is much, MUCH tougher and about even in terms of coolness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistty1 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 All things being equal I personally like the cover on CSS 22 a little better. I just think it's a little more of a shocking cover where as the other is a little more ghoulish super natural. That's just my preference of subject matter though, with the calibre of art not really having anything to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistty1 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Wow!!!! congrats Michael. Those are just gorgeous books. That DM 19 is really sharp. Are these raw copies that you had and then submitted? Thanks Adam - yes, both were part of an OO collection sold by Jim Payette years ago. I happened to phone him one day and asked if he had a Dark Mysteries #19 and he said, "Yes, I'm looking at one right now." I said, "What grade is it?" And he replied, "looks about near mint." I asked how much he wanted for it, but out of consideration for you and others I wont say how cheaply I got it. I then proceeded to ask, "Venus #19? Chilling Tales #16? Tormented #1? Menace #4?" Plus a couple of others I had at the top of my wants list at the time. He had them all. I was very poor at the time, or I'd have asked about other books. The Chilling Tales and the Tormented are still with me, the others long gone, and the pair are currently being graded. I don't think they will do quite as well, but we will see! That's a great story Michael, I love hearing how people come across their books, especially ones as tough and special as these. I'm hoping I get as lucky one day... DM 19 is scratched off my list, now for the Venus. Patience is a virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb jefferies Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I would take a Venus 19 in a heartbeat over CSS 22. I have one of the former, and have owned at least four or five copies of the latter. Venus is much, MUCH tougher and about even in terms of coolness. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny545 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I would take a Venus 19 in a heartbeat over CSS 22. I have one of the former, and have owned at least four or five copies of the latter. Venus is much, MUCH tougher and about even in terms of coolness. +1 Just my opinion, but the ST 28 cover is the most impressive cover (use of colors, composition, ink/line work, subject matter) I have seen. I think I would fall out of my chair if I saw it in high grade. That being said I also believe the Venus 19 surpasses CS 22 only because the Venus is unlike anything else and the CS 22 is similar/derivative of some of the other CS series covers. I am surprised the ST 28 cover image hasn't been co-opted by others over the years. This goes for the CS 22 cover too, could easily be put on t-shirts, band posters, stickers etc. for whatever purpose. Johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
originalisbest Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I would take a Venus 19 in a heartbeat over CSS 22. I have one of the former, and have owned at least four or five copies of the latter. Venus is much, MUCH tougher and about even in terms of coolness. +1 Just my opinion, but the ST 28 cover is the most impressive cover (use of colors, composition, ink/line work, subject matter) I have seen. I think I would fall out of my chair if I saw it in high grade. That being said I also believe the Venus 19 surpasses CS 22 only because the Venus is unlike anything else and the CS 22 is similar/derivative of some of the other CS series covers. I am surprised the ST 28 cover image hasn't been co-opted by others over the years. This goes for the CS 22 cover too, could easily be put on t-shirts, band posters, stickers etc. for whatever purpose. Johnny Can't disagree with you on the coolness/technical capabilities shown in the ST #28 cover -- I believe Harry Anderson was the artist. It is beautiful and definitely frightening! But unlike Chamber of Chills #19 (don't know if the Misfits ever got "permission" to make that cover famous in any case) I would imagine the Strange Tales #28 is copyrighted under Marvel, and CSS #22 most definitely is under William Gaines' estate, so you'll never see band stuff, stickers, etc. unless they're bootlegs, or they somehow get the license to produce stuff using the art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Speaking of rare horror books, here is another recent pick up. Unfortunately the spine is completely split owing to inferior cover stock - otherwise this would be quite nice. Arguably in the top five scarcest PCH books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistty1 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 That's a great cover... Looks very movie poster like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I love the metallic inks on that cover. Unfortunately the spine is completely split owing to inferior cover stock Absolutely as expected. Not an easy book in low grade as PCH goes, but a devil in high grade because, for some strange reason, CGC really knocks down spine splits. Go Figure! Speaking of rare horror books, here is another recent pick up. . Arguably in the top five scarcest PCH books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistty1 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Speaking of rare horror books, here is another recent pick up. Unfortunately the spine is completely split owing to inferior cover stock - otherwise this would be quite nice. Arguably in the top five scarcest PCH books. Quite a few of these Fawcette horror books seem to be somewhat scarce. The Worlds of Fear #9 I recently picked up has only 3 graded copies, there seems to be only 2 graded copies of the #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Speaking of rare horror books, here is another recent pick up. Unfortunately the spine is completely split owing to inferior cover stock - otherwise this would be quite nice. That's the same problem as the This Mag is Haunted # 3. A lot of them have horrible spine split. Still. Uber-cool book. Was advertised on the back of this one - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Speaking of rare horror books, here is another recent pick up. Unfortunately the spine is completely split owing to inferior cover stock - otherwise this would be quite nice. That's the same problem as the This Mag is Haunted # 3. A lot of them have horrible spine split. Both printed in the same month so somehow the printer used lousy cover stock when they printed the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Speaking of rare horror books, here is another recent pick up. Unfortunately the spine is completely split owing to inferior cover stock - otherwise this would be quite nice. That's the same problem as the This Mag is Haunted # 3. A lot of them have horrible spine split. Both printed in the same month so somehow the printer used lousy cover stock when they printed the books. Same problem with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny545 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I would take a Venus 19 in a heartbeat over CSS 22. I have one of the former, and have owned at least four or five copies of the latter. Venus is much, MUCH tougher and about even in terms of coolness. +1 Just my opinion, but the ST 28 cover is the most impressive cover (use of colors, composition, ink/line work, subject matter) I have seen. I think I would fall out of my chair if I saw it in high grade. That being said I also believe the Venus 19 surpasses CS 22 only because the Venus is unlike anything else and the CS 22 is similar/derivative of some of the other CS series covers. I am surprised the ST 28 cover image hasn't been co-opted by others over the years. This goes for the CS 22 cover too, could easily be put on t-shirts, band posters, stickers etc. for whatever purpose. Johnny Can't disagree with you on the coolness/technical capabilities shown in the ST #28 cover -- I believe Harry Anderson was the artist. It is beautiful and definitely frightening! But unlike Chamber of Chills #19 (don't know if the Misfits ever got "permission" to make that cover famous in any case) I would imagine the Strange Tales #28 is copyrighted under Marvel, and CSS #22 most definitely is under William Gaines' estate, so you'll never see band stuff, stickers, etc. unless they're bootlegs, or they somehow get the license to produce stuff using the art. Yeah I agree, was thinking someone co-opting without any legal basis for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkdrawer Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I would like to see a list from some of the serious horror aficionados of the top 10 any order and then try to come up with an order. Has this been done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I would like to see a list from some of the serious horror aficionados of the top 10 any order and then try to come up with an order. Has this been done? They might arguably include This Mag is Haunted #3 Worlds of Fear #2 Beware #10 Dark Mysteries #10 Venus #19 Men's Adventures #25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 How hard is the Eerie # 1 Avon book to get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistty1 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I would like to see a list from some of the serious horror aficionados of the top 10 any order and then try to come up with an order. Has this been done? They might arguably include This Mag is Haunted #3 Worlds of Fear #2 Beware #10 Dark Mysteries #10 Venus #19 Men's Adventures #25 Love the cover to MA 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 How hard is the Eerie # 1 Avon book to get? Not very - though personally I think it is rather overvalued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
