Foom 2

[comix4fun]

 

There were several toys in the early-mid 70's that had these types of Robot faces and metal gears inside. That doesn't look like a skeleton as much as it does machinery.

 

That's what I was thinking. The name, maybe, but there's nothing else particularly unique there.

 

I think the word prototype works.

 

Agreed. Clearly 'referencing' already-existing product designs found in toyshops at the time.

 

Here's a nother one, looks like the market is speaking....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOOM-2-1973-RARE-FIRST-WOLVERINE-PROTOTYPE-BEFORE-HULK-181-/331092820441?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d16ab81d9

 

also if this character was called the Lemming no one would give a sh*t but put metal skeleton and the name Wolverine together just prior to hulk 181 should raise some questions Marvel should answer.

 

The market is speaking? More like the lemmings are speaking.

 

 

It's saying:

 

[MrWeen]

 

There were several toys in the early-mid 70's that had these types of Robot faces and metal gears inside. That doesn't look like a skeleton as much as it does machinery.

 

That's what I was thinking. The name, maybe, but there's nothing else particularly unique there.

 

I think the word prototype works.

 

Agreed. Clearly 'referencing' already-existing product designs found in toyshops at the time.

 

Here's a nother one, looks like the market is speaking....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOOM-2-1973-RARE-FIRST-WOLVERINE-PROTOTYPE-BEFORE-HULK-181-/331092820441?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d16ab81d9

 

also if this character was called the Lemming no one would give a sh*t but put metal skeleton and the name Wolverine together just prior to hulk 181 should raise some questions Marvel should answer.

 

 

Looks like a zero feedback bidder is doing all the talking in that auction.

 

Also I had no idea the real Wolverine had gears and sprockets in his chest.

 

 

Sprockets and gears are made of metal though. Yes it's all a stretch but Marvel could have easily seen this and expanded on Olsen's concept. If I were Olsen I might want an explanation that's all. Also I just found this interesting, I have no copies of Foom 2 and no reason to push it's legitimacy.

[comix4fun]

 

There were several toys in the early-mid 70's that had these types of Robot faces and metal gears inside. That doesn't look like a skeleton as much as it does machinery.

 

That's what I was thinking. The name, maybe, but there's nothing else particularly unique there.

 

I think the word prototype works.

 

Agreed. Clearly 'referencing' already-existing product designs found in toyshops at the time.

 

Here's a nother one, looks like the market is speaking....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOOM-2-1973-RARE-FIRST-WOLVERINE-PROTOTYPE-BEFORE-HULK-181-/331092820441?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d16ab81d9

 

also if this character was called the Lemming no one would give a sh*t but put metal skeleton and the name Wolverine together just prior to hulk 181 should raise some questions Marvel should answer.

 

 

Looks like a zero feedback bidder is doing all the talking in that auction.

 

Also I had no idea the real Wolverine had gears and sprockets in his chest.

 

Sprockets and gears are made of metal though. Yes it's all a stretch but Marvel could have easily seen this and expanded on Olsen's concept. If I were Olsen I might want an explanation that's all. Also I just found this interesting, I have no copies of Foom 2 and no reason to push it's legitimacy.

 

 

What if Andy Olsen was a fan of polycarbonate?

 

 

[MrWeen]

 

There were several toys in the early-mid 70's that had these types of Robot faces and metal gears inside. That doesn't look like a skeleton as much as it does machinery.

 

That's what I was thinking. The name, maybe, but there's nothing else particularly unique there.

 

I think the word prototype works.

 

Agreed. Clearly 'referencing' already-existing product designs found in toyshops at the time.

 

Here's a nother one, looks like the market is speaking....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOOM-2-1973-RARE-FIRST-WOLVERINE-PROTOTYPE-BEFORE-HULK-181-/331092820441?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d16ab81d9

 

also if this character was called the Lemming no one would give a sh*t but put metal skeleton and the name Wolverine together just prior to hulk 181 should raise some questions Marvel should answer.

 

 

Looks like a zero feedback bidder is doing all the talking in that auction.

 

Also I had no idea the real Wolverine had gears and sprockets in his chest.

 

Sprockets and gears are made of metal though. Yes it's all a stretch but Marvel could have easily seen this and expanded on Olsen's concept. If I were Olsen I might want an explanation that's all. Also I just found this interesting, I have no copies of Foom 2 and no reason to push it's legitimacy.

 

 

What if Andy Olsen was a fan of polycarbonate?

 

 

 

Then he's fkd

[comix4fun]

 

[Logan510]

At the very least this looks to be a Wolverine Prototype...

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOOM-NO-2-1973-IS-HULK-180-181-1974-REALLY-THE-1ST-APP-OF-WOLVERINE-/301049371385?pt=UK_Books_Comics_Magazines_US_Comics_ET&hash=item4617f0daf9

 

 

 

At the very least it looks like a gigantic stretch.

 

You guys think its all a coincidence that a reader sends in a character idea called the wolverine in 1973 with what appears to be a metal exoskeleton and then the wolverine debuts in 74?

 

We can't be inside their minds but it looks pretty reasonable to me. Ie Id say somebody at marvel kind of liked what the fan sent in and they made tweaks and ran with it. Why wouldn't they? By sending it in to them unsolicited, correct me if Im wrong, but I believe it becomes marvels property to do with as they please, and even if it Wasnt they tweaked it enough to be 'original'. Sure seems like the seeds of the character to me . Sure marvel watered and pruned it and sometimes added fertilizer but I suspect it did start here and to me that does make FOOM 2 kind of interesting

 

Venom came from a fan submission. But Marvel paid him $200 or something. I think the metal skeleton thing is a red herring, because my recollection is that for the first appearance of Wolvie, the claws were supposed to be in the gloves, and the metal claws and skeleton were added by Claremont later.

 

Interesting, I didn't know that about Venom.

 

As for the metal skeleton and such, who's to say claremont wasn't looking at the fan submission when he wrote that part in?

 

We'll never know. But the timing and the unique name and look suggest to me that at least some thoughts were borrowed from this submission.

 

Do you have any info or pics of the venom fan submission?

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=venom+submitted+by+fan%+marvel+purchased

 

I think it's a little disingenuous to say the idea for Venom came from a fan, when it appears the fan came up with an idea for a Spider-Man costume design that was then tweaked by Zeck.

 

I've read that the genesis for the symbiote costume goes back to an idea ( never used in the book ) that Claremont and Byrne had during their days on Iron Fist, which Roger Stern ( with their blessing ) borrowed when he was writing ASM.