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[comicinvestor-migration]

I'm jabbing at Darth's extensive Modern CGC 9.8-10.0 comic sales, and if you take that personally, then I can't do anything about it.

[snizzenfixit]

Hey, another of Darth's customers, which makes the bid a bit easier to understand.

 

That is a direct quote from you on another thread. That is also a direct jab at a customer of Darths.

 

if you take that personally, then I can't do anything about it.

 

Yup, that figures.

 

Phil

 

[comicinvestor-migration]

Tough tittie said the kitty, as I abhore the insane values that some of the "off the shelf" CGC books receive and I make no bones about them being on the cusp of a market meltdown.

 

The vast majority of off-the-shelf Moderns sold between CGC's inception and now have already gone South, but willing buyers continue to line up to be fleeced for the next batch. Darth and other Modern-ites sell them, impatient speculators buy them, and I guess that's the way the world turns.

[snizzenfixit]

Tough tittie said the kitty

 

Oh my, what a snappy, and well thought out retort. You must have thought long and hard to come up with such a profound witticism.

 

I abhore the insane values that some of the "off the shelf" CGC books receive and I make no bones about them being on the cusp of a market meltdown.

 

Although it may be difficult for you to believe, the fate of the future of comics does not revolve around your view. If I like a cover, and it is extremely high quality, in a CGC holder, I may pay up to 50 bucks for it. Your opinion on this is meaningless. There are people who pay huge amounts for Beanie Babies. While I would not give a plug nickel for a Beanie Baby, I defend their right to pay "Whatever it is worth to them".

 

I don't (believe it or not) make my purchases based on your opinions, and I doubt many people do. Your holier than thou attitude, makes you come across to me as EXTREMELY insecure. This brings me back to an earlier question. Did your Mother not hug you as a child? Or maybe in RL people tend to ignore you? Whatever it is, try to remember that other peoples opinions are AT LEAST as valid as yours.

 

Phil

 

 

 

[drbanner]

Given the large numbers of CGC graded books appearing on e-bay, do you feel it would be worthwhile for them to create a graded comics section (or sections)?

 

Yes please! There could be subsections under Gold, Silver, Bronze, and Modern. I wouldn't like only one CGC section under Comics, as the biggest quantity of CGC books are modern, and I doubt that there's much crossover between CGC-modern buyers and CGC-Bronze, Silver, and Gold buyers.

[comicinvestor-migration]

makes you come across to me as EXTREMELY insecure.[/i]

 

Gee, you really nailed that one Sherlock.

[FlyingDonut]

I'm surprised they haven't already set up a graded section. eBay already has done it for sports cards, where there's Graded and Non-Graded.

[drbanner]

eBay already has done it for sports cards, where there's Graded and Non-Graded.

 

Oh no, "non-graded" is even worse than "raw"!! If I'm putting it on ebay, it is flarkin' graded...I graded it personally!

[Darthdiesel]

and other than a single ill-advised Homer-sexual comment he made

 

Don't make me break out the Northstar #1now...which was brought out originally b/c I know about your "black" cover fetish...not that there's anything wrong with that

 

I know how Phil feels here. I come home from a hard day of selling my Alfs and CareBears Comics only to be called a scammer and accused of fleecing the public as if that was my life's mission. Your comments can be real downers at times...but you are free to express them here. I'll always up for witty repartee...

[comicinvestor-migration]

Your comments can be real downers at times...but you are free to express them here. I'll always up for witty repartee...

 

Yeah, I know my comments can be a bit harsh, but you gotta remember that I got a lot of email when CI.com was up and running. Most of it in the vein of people who wouldn't know a comic from a condom buying vastly overpriced Moderns and then asking me for investment advice.

 

I just deleted most of them, but they do wear on you after awhile, especially a few of them who actually started playing their RRSP money into CGC Moderns like Spider-man #1 (shiver).

 

Not that this necessarily condones me being harsh on you, but there is a flip side to every insane Modern buy, where guys like you or I (admittedly not as quick on the uptake) have to explain to their wife and kids where their savings went.

 

That doesn't make you a scammer (I'll try to be less harsh in the future) but I can't view the practice of offering up off-the-shelf CGC books in a favorable light. We all have a choice in the business we partake in.

[Darthdiesel]

Just taking that into consideration, I'm always looking to improve and I'll try to offer up more of a selection including some Bronze and Silver Age Marvels. I can only sell what I have (mostly Moderns) and when I was old enough to start collecting (1979-1980) most of the hot Bronze keys had been out already. I'll go easier on the hype, though I find my rhetoric tamer than most. At least, I don't tell people to invest in comics because "it'll never go down like the stock market"....

 

As for your former site visitors that invested their life savings, then you really should't feel bad about that as you did not advise them to invest in these Valiant type comics. Some people are compulsive gamblers and you can not save every one of them and "lead them by the hand" They would otherwise probably blow their savings on some infomercial real estate gig or multilevel network/pramid scheme...those can only live and learn...

[greggy]

I agree Darth. Some people just need to get burned before they actually learn anything. You can't live your life trying to protect insufficiently_thoughtful_persons from themselves! Most of them were born that way!

[Guest]

CI

 

I've gotta weigh in in defence of DARTH. I read a post earlier in the summer where someone had offered the opinion that it is both impossible and not our responsibility to 'wet-nurse' the neophytes who feel the need to 'invest' in comics. I feel this is true. If I intend to get into real estate, it is my responsibility to do the research and make informed choices. If a new collector/investor asks for advice, I am happy to give it. It is nearly impossible to help those people who don't carefully consider the choices they make.

 

DARTH as a seller is simply offering a product. It is not his job to make value judgements about the worth of the items - he allows the market to determine the value with the auction format. If and when the market dictates that the modern off-the-shelf CGC books no longer command a premium, DARTH will no longer offer the service.

 

The other off-the-wall thought I can offer is this: What if the modern slabbed-off-the-shelf books are a good investment? I'm inclined to think not, but part of the fun of the hobby is seeing what is borne out over time.

[comicinvestor-migration]

I know what you're saying and it does make sense from a certain point of view. But I've heard the exact same thing from the government when they set up yet another casino.

 

"But we're not telling anyone to gamble, and everyone has the choice".

 

I don't agree with that, as it's a conscious choice that is made to build a casino, and it comes at the expense of a certain section of the populace. I'm not saying we have to protect the dolts, addicts and spend-thrifts, but it does bother me that so many people are trying to get at their wallets.

 

I say we go all the way with the weak, mentally ill and foolhardy, and just cut them up for horse feed.

[Guest]

That is why neophyte comic collectors/investors should heed what you have to say. The smart ones will, and they'll consider the fact that not everyone feels that modern books are a sure-fire money maker.

 

Unfortunately, there is a subset of people like DARTH described, who are compelled to rush in.

 

There is also another subset of people who are informed, and feel these books are a good investment. I think DARTH said that his Origin 1 10.0 buyer was a gold/silver collector who'd been around for awhile. I'd say this collector's view is worth consideration, and I for one, am curious to see if the years will bear it out.

 

[chrisfuccione]

To go back to the original question. Usally if I want to do a search for slabbed coins I will type a search for PCGS or NGC and include also check off the box for a search in discriptions.

 

As for the argument of if mordern slabbed comics are a good investment. I can't go there because I'm a coin collector not a comic collector but I have some oppions for mordern slabbed coins. Because of regersty that have been formed here and across the street at PCGS there has been real outrages prices paid for mordern day coins. $1,000 for a state quarter?!? Come on!. Do you think in five or ten years when this bubble bursts and we go on to a new fad in the hobby you will get 1/10th your money back? If your going to spend that type of money I would look at an older series or in your guys sittuation comic book that has a track record. CHRIS

[Darthdiesel]

How about I trade you a Foofur # 1 CGC 10.0 for your $1000 state quarter