Why don't we get more points for pedigree books within the registry?

[N/A]

 

No.

 

Man...you have some serious issues. Your argument holds absolutely no merit. Here are the facts. In order to be recognized as a pedigree by CGC...key words here BY CGC... I'm not concerned about the random so called "pedigree's"...only those recognized by CGC which would relate to the registry. Mile High II's were never a pedigree...only noted on CGC labels for a short time.

 

Pedigree status is acknowledged by CGC based on a combination of the following criteria:

 

The collection must be original owner. This means that the books must have been bought off the newsstand as they came out. For example, a collector cannot buy a high-grade run of 1940s comics from various sources and expect it to be considered a pedigree. The original owner need not currently own the comics for the collection to be considered for pedigree status.

 

The collection must be of vintage material. This means that a large collection consisting of comics from the 1970s to present cannot be considered a pedigree. In fact, until the sale of some key White Mountain books in a Sotheby’s auction in the early 1990s, Silver Age comics were not accepted as pedigree collections. Comic books from 1966 and after are relatively common in high grade compared to earlier issues. This occurred as a direct result of a tremendous explosion in the number of collectors in fandom in the mid-1960s.Collections that are primarily from 1966 and after must have average grades of at least 9.4 to be considered a pedigree.

 

The collection must consist of a considerable number of comics. Most pedigree collections consist of at least 1,000 books and some number over 10,000 comics. The collections that consist of fewer books, such as the Allentown and Denver collections, must include extremely rare, important, and/or key material.

 

The collection must be high-grade. Comics from the Silver Age in general would have to be 9.2 and higher, and a collection of exclusive Silver Age material must have an average grade of 9.4.Golden Age comics would have to be high-grade as well. For example, the Lost Valley collection consisted of many golden age books from before 1941 that were technically mid-grade, but were almost across the board the highest graded copy for that book. Page quality must be nice as well

 

So...why doesn't a collection of such material deserve a few extra points.Unless, of course, you feel 9.4 is too lowly a grade. And... don't give me the "That would kill competition" bull . SS series get extra points and that didn't kill competition. Why people get extra for art defaced with a giant signature is beyond me...but that is for another conversation.

 

Issues.

 

So a 9.4 pedigree should have more points than a 9.8 universal and is a better example of the book? Ok then.

 

You pedigree folks would have a much better chance if you lobbied to reduce the SS points. Why don't double covers get more points? You like Pedigrees. I get it. You are not the majority.

[Supa-Bad-Mofo]

 

No.

 

Man...you have some serious issues. Your argument holds absolutely no merit. Here are the facts. In order to be recognized as a pedigree by CGC...key words here BY CGC... I'm not concerned about the random so called "pedigree's"...only those recognized by CGC which would relate to the registry. Mile High II's were never a pedigree...only noted on CGC labels for a short time.

 

Pedigree status is acknowledged by CGC based on a combination of the following criteria:

 

The collection must be original owner. This means that the books must have been bought off the newsstand as they came out. For example, a collector cannot buy a high-grade run of 1940s comics from various sources and expect it to be considered a pedigree. The original owner need not currently own the comics for the collection to be considered for pedigree status.

 

The collection must be of vintage material. This means that a large collection consisting of comics from the 1970s to present cannot be considered a pedigree. In fact, until the sale of some key White Mountain books in a Sotheby’s auction in the early 1990s, Silver Age comics were not accepted as pedigree collections. Comic books from 1966 and after are relatively common in high grade compared to earlier issues. This occurred as a direct result of a tremendous explosion in the number of collectors in fandom in the mid-1960s.Collections that are primarily from 1966 and after must have average grades of at least 9.4 to be considered a pedigree.

 

The collection must consist of a considerable number of comics. Most pedigree collections consist of at least 1,000 books and some number over 10,000 comics. The collections that consist of fewer books, such as the Allentown and Denver collections, must include extremely rare, important, and/or key material.

 

The collection must be high-grade. Comics from the Silver Age in general would have to be 9.2 and higher, and a collection of exclusive Silver Age material must have an average grade of 9.4.Golden Age comics would have to be high-grade as well. For example, the Lost Valley collection consisted of many golden age books from before 1941 that were technically mid-grade, but were almost across the board the highest graded copy for that book. Page quality must be nice as well

 

So...why doesn't a collection of such material deserve a few extra points.Unless, of course, you feel 9.4 is too lowly a grade. And... don't give me the "That would kill competition" bull . SS series get extra points and that didn't kill competition. Why people get extra for art defaced with a giant signature is beyond me...but that is for another conversation.

 

Issues.

 

So a 9.4 pedigree should have more points than a 9.8 universal and is a better example of the book? Ok then.

 

You pedigree folks would have a much better chance if you lobbied to reduce the SS points. Why don't double covers get more points? You like Pedigrees. I get it. You are not the majority.

 

Not saying that at all. What I am saying is that a 9.4 pedigree should get more points than an untraceable 9.4.

[N/A]

Why?

[Guest Grails]

Not saying that at all. What I am saying is that a 9.4 pedigree should get more points than an untraceable 9.4.

 

Okay, but please tell us why. Without using the argument that pedigreed books are physically superior since there are many examples to the contrary.

 

Here's one.

[Vikingreed]

Not saying that at all. What I am saying is that a 9.4 pedigree should get more points than an untraceable 9.4.

 

Okay, but please tell us why. Without using the argument that pedigreed books are physically superior since there are many examples to the contrary.

 

Here's one.

 

+1

[HarveySwick]

Not saying that at all. What I am saying is that a 9.4 pedigree should get more points than an untraceable 9.4.

 

Okay, but please tell us why. Without using the argument that pedigreed books are physically superior since there are many examples to the contrary.

 

Here's one.

 

Looks like someone has a better scanner in that example? Who knows what the back cover looks like on the non-pedigree. And the pedigree version has white pages while the non-pedigree version has off-white.

[HarveySwick]

Nope, didn't miss the chipping. Just noticed the page quality and that the scan of the non-pedigree is obviously a much better quality scan.

 

I don't think anyone is advocating that a 9.4 pedigree should be worth more points than a non-pedigree of a higher grade. There should just be something to distinguish a pedigree's value from a non-pedigree as far as points are concerns. SS books are awarded more, why not pedigree. I also do not think a SS book should be worth the same amount of points as a Universal Blue either. Value wise, it's not the same.

 

I am just advocating for different point structures for the same grade of books TO make it more interesting. Right now it's:

 

9.8 SS > than any other 9.8.

 

I think it should be 9.8 SS = 9.8 pedigree/double cover/unique book > universal blue.

 

Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Guest Grails]

I don't participate in the registry anymore but when I did, I always thought there should be a separate section for SS to compete against each other. Why penalize collectors who don't like signed books?

[HarveySwick]

See, that is a constructive suggestion as well.

[HarveySwick]

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