can anyone explain what these are?

[Aman619]

Heres an Ebay seller of "original" production materials. Many of his items are hand colored coloring notes, and other legit items. But this piece, and a bunch more just don't add up for me..

 

He says they are "production originals"… but his color images don't match the actual covers, the greytones don't look like what progressive proofs would because they are greytone images of ALL the color plates.

 

Could these be actual production materials for some reprints Marvel did at some point? They look recolored more simply than the originals as if done on a tight budget as "good enough" years later

 

 

btw, I asked him a question and never saw a response. And tried again just now but Ebay says I can't contact the seller. (Can you block questions?)

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jack-Kirby-X-men-8-Rare-Large-Production-Art-Cover-/121345155179?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c40bc206b

[Green]

I have no idea what that is. But if you add someone to your blocked bidder list they cant ask questions either. So I assume you've been blocked.

[TheAvenger80]

Looks really fishy. And the listing seems intentionally vague and trying to entice impulse bids with pictures of Jack Kirby strewn about, etc.

[2staples]

I've looked at these a few times before. Couldn't make my mind up on what I was looking at, so I looked elsewhere.

[Aman619]

I didn't know how Ebay rules work… so the fact that I was a blocked bidder after asking for clarification speaks very loudly to me.

[mangbus]

There is one line in the auction description that stands out for me:

 

"The Auction Is For One Large Seperate Transparency Only, "

 

That is what you will get.

[Davenport]

There is one line in the auction description that stands out for me:

 

"The Auction Is For One Large Seperate Transparency Only, "

 

That is what you will get.

"Pages listed are either from graphic novels, reprints, or newer printings."

 

Couldn't something like that be printed "on demand" if they have the plate?

[Designer Toast]

I'd avoid it.

[Kevin76]

They are paste ups, they are used in pre-press before they make them into plates. Are they real,,,,,who knows?

[Kevin76]

There is one line in the auction description that stands out for me:

 

"The Auction Is For One Large Seperate Transparency Only, "

 

That is what you will get.

"Pages listed are either from graphic novels, reprints, or newer printings."

 

Couldn't something like that be printed "on demand" if they have the plate?

 

Plates are one time use only. The can however remake another plate. Just need the file. It's all computer to plate now, they don't use film anymore.

[shadroch]

I've been told these are easy to reproduce, and most sold are in fact reproductions. They do make great display pieces in some cases.

[Kevin76]

I've been told these are easy to reproduce, and most sold are in fact reproductions. They do make great display pieces in some cases.

 

That's what it looks like, The page is a bit "too clean" to be the original one that was actually used for camera/coloring work

[Point Five]

Could these be actual production materials for some reprints Marvel did at some point? They look recolored more simply than the originals as if done on a tight budget as "good enough" years later

That's my guess too. Maybe this is one of the full-page cover reproductions in the first Marvel Masterworks X-Men volume?

 

Here's a link to the X-Men #3 in that volume -- at a glance, the coloring and reproduction quality looks pretty similar to me.

 

http://marvel.com/comics/collection/1119/marvel_masterworks_the_x-men_vol_1_hardcover

 

 

[topcat54]

From what I found a transparency is different than say the orignal cover proof.

 

Found this on the net might help you make up your mind.

 

As you will see some orignal cover art goes for thousands sometimes.

 

Check this out http://www.comicartshop.com/

Some cool stuff there.

[Aman619]

real printers proof are actual printed size, not oversized or actual ARTWORK size. You are given them to "proof" the quality, at actual print size.

 

and they are either of the black line work, or the separated ink plates. These are just b/w scans of something.

 

I didnt see the mention of "from reprints etc" which adds credibility. But the actual product he is selling can also be (and probably is) just another printout. He explains that due to Auctiva it may "appear" that he has sold the same piece before…

 

uh huh….. right