Amazing Spider-Man 2 passes Man of Steel at Box Office 0

[Prince Namor]

The studio isn't sending out congratulations to anyone involved in this.

Far from it. Heads are going to roll over this turd.

 

It's going to be a struggle to break $200 million domestically. Seriously, it may not even break it. That's an embarrassment for a top tier character.

And domestically, which is where the studios really make their money, it'll never catch up to Man of Steel which has a $100 million lead over it.

 

Domestically it has no chance of catching Captain America Winter Soldier and may not even catch the second Thor movie. It's not worthy of even comparing it to the Iron Man franchise.

Wow. How badly has this iconic character has fallen?

 

At a time when Marvel movies seem to be hitting their peak, both critically and financially, ASM 2, even with the help of 3D and IMAX dollars, may not even do HALF of what the first Raimi Spider-man did, in 2002 dollars!

 

It's going to be interesting to see how close X-Men DOFO comes to catching ASM2 in just it's second week! A movie that even a non-Marvel Studio's production has managed to make right.

 

Whatever plans they had for this Spider-man franchise - it will change. Be it a new director, a new cast, whatever... Something is going to change. Relying on the foreign market, who love the character regardless of how bad the movie is, just isn't profitable enough to continue the way they've been going. It's foreign grosses are over 72% of it's take! That's NOT what a studio wants to see!

 

What's next? We'll make up for it in DVD sales!

 

 

 

Best post in the thread.

 

Also, ASM2 will struggle to make domestically what everyone's favorite movie, Superman Returns, made in 2006-without 3D and inflated ticket prices.

 

Spidey is my second favorite character, so this isn't good news for me. I'm sorry to see Sony running this franchise into the ground. Hopefully Marvel regains the rights very soon.

 

Domestically, It hasn't even managed to beat Superman Returns... With it's added 3D income, Supes didn't have...Even before adjusting for inflation...

 

 

[rjrjr]

Yup. And with all the families that had such a happy time taking their children to see this movie, we can expect many more Spider-Mans films to continue providing these great family times for years to come. All those peripheral sales in Spidey merchandise, tv and cable rights, dvd sales, prormo money that they don't feel the need to advertise to the public to prop up their revenue, sheesh, it all adds up to many more films providing a good time for families around the world. Thank you Sony. (thumbs u

Like I pointed earlier, DC/Warner tried the "family" approach with Batman & Robin and made a billion in merchandise and stuff too. Planned another Schumacher installment before it opened ("Batman Triumphant") even. Look what happened there. The character was shelved for eight years.

 

Sony painted themselves into a corner with the reboot. They have to keep making Spider-Man movies to keep the franchise, but the return on these movies has greatly diminished. I think we will get a Spider-Man 3, but I'm doubtful we are going to see all those spinoffs that we've been hearing about. Just my

[NewEnglandGothic]

I'm sorry to see Sony running this franchise into the ground. Hopefully Marvel regains the rights very soon.

A third reboot is gonna be a tough sell even if Marvel does get it back. My

 

Imagine a Spidey vs. Hulk flick, or a Team-Up flick with Vision. No need to reboot, just introduce new actor without an origin story and have them team up for an adventure.

Not the best way for the mainstream audience to bond with a dude in spandex/latex or whatever. At this point (if a reboot should happen), Spidey's origin would probably best told through flashbacks, like Clark/Superman's in Man of Steel or the audience is gonna get bored. If they actually get a great filmmaker next time, I might even be open to a different origin. I'm talking a Cameron-kind of filmmaker.

[Larryw7]

I'm sorry to see Sony running this franchise into the ground. Hopefully Marvel regains the rights very soon.

A third reboot is gonna be a tough sell even if Marvel does get it back. My

 

Just use Garfield and integrate his character into the Marvel universe. Ignore the rest.

[Prince Namor]

Yup. And with all the families that had such a happy time taking their children to see this movie, we can expect many more Spider-Mans films to continue providing these great family times for years to come. All those peripheral sales in Spidey merchandise, tv and cable rights, dvd sales, prormo money that they don't feel the need to advertise to the public to prop up their revenue, sheesh, it all adds up to many more films providing a good time for families around the world. Thank you Sony. (thumbs u

Like I pointed earlier, DC/Warner tried the "family" approach with Batman & Robin and made a billion in merchandise and stuff too. Planned another Schumacher installment before it opened ("Batman Triumphant") even. Look what happened there. The character was shelved for eight years.

 

+1

 

And didn't Sony sell the merchandising rights to this franchise?

Why make a $300M budgeted kids movie when you have no merchandise money from it?

[Hamlet]

Yeah, frankly I think a lot of this may just be about people not wanting to see the same movie over and over.

 

How many superhero movies does the general public want to see in a year? I think less than are currently being produced.

 

By my count, I it looks like the run rate on pure comic-based movies appears to be four a year (2013-- Thor DW, IM3, The Wolverine, Man of Steel, 2014-- Captain America WS, Amazing Spiderman 2, X-men DOFP, and GotG)

 

I think that there are only so many of these movies the general public is going to be up for seeing per year.

 

 

I'm sorry to see Sony running this franchise into the ground. Hopefully Marvel regains the rights very soon.

A third reboot is gonna be a tough sell even if Marvel does get it back. My

[Bosco685]

Sony painted themselves into a corner with the reboot. They have to keep making Spider-Man movies to keep the franchise, but the return on these movies has greatly diminished. I think we will get a Spider-Man 3, but I'm doubtful we are going to see all those spinoffs that we've been hearing about. Just my

I have really wanted to see a Spidey-Hobgoblin fight done right. Both characters kept me glued to every issue in the 80's. It's a little Copper Age dream of mine to see this one day.

 

[slym2none]

Do the Spider-Man haters protest too much? That was easy.

 

I didn't know calling you on your wildly_fanciful_statement would get me labeled a "hater."

 

Oh, wait, yes I did.

 

::

 

 

 

-slym (hasn't seen ASM1 or 2, but will call out wildly_fanciful_statement anywhere he sees it)

[Jiminy_Cricket-migration]

Yup. And with all the families that had such a happy time taking their children to see this movie, we can expect many more Spider-Mans films to continue providing these great family times for years to come. All those peripheral sales in Spidey merchandise, tv and cable rights, dvd sales, prormo money that they don't feel the need to advertise to the public to prop up their revenue, sheesh, it all adds up to many more films providing a good time for families around the world. Thank you Sony. (thumbs u

Like I pointed earlier, DC/Warner tried the "family" approach with Batman & Robin and made a billion in merchandise and stuff too. Planned another Schumacher installment before it opened ("Batman Triumphant") even. Look what happened there. The character was shelved for eight years.

 

In all seriousness.... Everything runs it's course. I agree. Sony will eventually run this so far into the ground that even the children will lose interest in it. Eventually it will make a comeback. Whether that's in 5, 10, 15 years, who knows. I do know the wait for Batman Begins was well worth it for me as that was one of my favorite movies. Maybe it's just the long wait in between films that makes them much more enjoyable rather than pumping sequels out (for the easy $$$) every two years.

[Prince Namor]

Sony painted themselves into a corner with the reboot. They have to keep making Spider-Man movies to keep the franchise, but the return on these movies has greatly diminished. I think we will get a Spider-Man 3, but I'm doubtful we are going to see all those spinoffs that we've been hearing about. Just my

I have really wanted to see a Spidey-Hobgoblin fight done right. Both characters kept me glued to every issue in the 80's. It's a little Copper Age dream of mine to see this one day.

 

 

That was a fun run and the last time I really looked forward to the book every month.

Done right I'd love to see it.

[Bosco685]

And didn't Sony sell the merchandising rights to this franchise?

Why make a $300M budgeted kids movie when you have no merchandise money from it?

 

That's what surprised me when someone pointed this out with the launch of ASM 2, as I had never heard this before.

 

Disney Acquires Sony's Merchandising Participation For The Amazing Spider-Man

 

Sony got itself in a financial bind, and needed the cash fast. Enter - DISNEY!

[NewEnglandGothic]

Sony painted themselves into a corner with the reboot. They have to keep making Spider-Man movies to keep the franchise, but the return on these movies has greatly diminished.

This is probably why SONY is a panic selling off it's assets recently.

[prez]

Everything else is better than Man of Steel

[rjrjr]

Yeah, frankly I think a lot of this may just be about people not wanting to see the same movie over and over.

 

How many superhero movies does the general public want to see in a year? I think less than are currently being produced.

 

By my count, I it looks like the run rate on pure comic-based movies appears to be four a year (2013-- Thor DW, IM3, The Wolverine, Man of Steel, 2014-- Captain America WS, Amazing Spiderman 2, X-men DOFP, and GotG)

 

I think that there are only so many of these movies the general public is going to be up for seeing per year.

 

If this was a good movie, people would have gone to see it, regardless of how many superhero movies are made. The problem is, this movie was not good. I don't think there is a limit on the number of good movies, superhero or not.

[Prince Namor]

Yup. And with all the families that had such a happy time taking their children to see this movie, we can expect many more Spider-Mans films to continue providing these great family times for years to come. All those peripheral sales in Spidey merchandise, tv and cable rights, dvd sales, prormo money that they don't feel the need to advertise to the public to prop up their revenue, sheesh, it all adds up to many more films providing a good time for families around the world. Thank you Sony. (thumbs u

Like I pointed earlier, DC/Warner tried the "family" approach with Batman & Robin and made a billion in merchandise and stuff too. Planned another Schumacher installment before it opened ("Batman Triumphant") even. Look what happened there. The character was shelved for eight years.

 

In all seriousness.... Everything runs it's course. I agree. Sony will eventually run this so far into the ground that even the children will lose interest in it. Eventually it will make a comeback. Whether that's in 5, 10, 15 years, who knows. I do know the wait for Batman Begins was well worth it for me as that was one of my favorite movies. Maybe it's just the long wait in between films that makes them much more enjoyable rather than pumping sequels out (for the easy $$$) every two years.

 

Or maybe when you make a turd of a movie, it's a turd of a movie and when you make a good movie it's a good movie.

[Prince Namor]

Yeah, frankly I think a lot of this may just be about people not wanting to see the same movie over and over.

 

How many superhero movies does the general public want to see in a year? I think less than are currently being produced.

 

By my count, I it looks like the run rate on pure comic-based movies appears to be four a year (2013-- Thor DW, IM3, The Wolverine, Man of Steel, 2014-- Captain America WS, Amazing Spiderman 2, X-men DOFP, and GotG)

 

I think that there are only so many of these movies the general public is going to be up for seeing per year.

 

If this was a good movie, people would have gone to see it, regardless of how many superhero movies are made. The problem is, this movie was not good. I don't think there is a limit on the number of good movies, superhero or not.

 

You said that much more eloquently than I did in my previous post.

[Jiminy_Cricket-migration]

And didn't Sony sell the merchandising rights to this franchise?

Why make a $300M budgeted kids movie when you have no merchandise money from it?

 

That's what surprised me when someone pointed this out with the launch of ASM 2, as I had never heard this before.

 

Disney Acquires Sony's Merchandising Participation For The Amazing Spider-Man

 

Sony got itself in a financial bind, and needed the cash fast. Enter - DISNEY!

 

[rjrjr]

And didn't Sony sell the merchandising rights to this franchise?

Why make a $300M budgeted kids movie when you have no merchandise money from it?

 

That's what surprised me when someone pointed this out with the launch of ASM 2, as I had never heard this before.

 

Disney Acquires Sony's Merchandising Participation For The Amazing Spider-Man

 

Sony got itself in a financial bind, and needed the cash fast. Enter - DISNEY!

 

Disney got the better end of this deal. From what I read, Sony gets a larger return of the Spider-Man movie money and Disney gets the merchandise money. Since the movies are costing more and the returns are dropping, Disney saw more potential with the merchandise money than the movie money.

[Bosco685]

And didn't Sony sell the merchandising rights to this franchise?

Why make a $300M budgeted kids movie when you have no merchandise money from it?

 

That's what surprised me when someone pointed this out with the launch of ASM 2, as I had never heard this before.

 

Disney Acquires Sony's Merchandising Participation For The Amazing Spider-Man

 

Sony got itself in a financial bind, and needed the cash fast. Enter - DISNEY!

 

Disney got the better end of this deal. From what I read, Sony gets a larger return of the Spider-Man movie money and Disney gets the merchandise money. Since the movies are costing more and the returns are dropping, Disney saw more potential with the merchandise money than the movie money.

 

That's what I was thinking. Kids will buy Spider-Man toys from Disney whether a movie succeeds or not. Disney made out like a bandit due to Sony's poor financials. Oddly enough, isn't that why Marvel has all these movie rights issues in the first place is how they had to sell off such rights to deal with bankruptcy?

 

Reading that summary from Iger is interesting. He must have wanted to scream out 'INSTANT MONEY' with this news.

 

Then in July, Sony Pictures will release The Amazing Spiderman. We're excited about the film and expect it will drive significant benefits for Spiderman consumer products.

 

To that end, we recently completed a transaction with Sony Pictures to simplify our relationship. And then in the deal, we purchased Sony Pictures' participation in Spiderman merchandising, while at the same time, Sony Pictures purchased from us our participation in Spiderman films. This transaction will allow us to control and fully benefit from all Spiderman merchandising activity, while Sony will continue to produce and distribute Spiderman films. We won't be specific about the economics of this 2-way transaction, but we expect it will drive attractive returns for Disney.

 

All those birthday party kits, Halloween costumes, bed sheets, toys, branded radios/clocks/lamps, etc. - all Disney. And no movie budget risk for them.

[Jiminy_Cricket-migration]

And didn't Sony sell the merchandising rights to this franchise?

Why make a $300M budgeted kids movie when you have no merchandise money from it?

 

That's what surprised me when someone pointed this out with the launch of ASM 2, as I had never heard this before.

 

Disney Acquires Sony's Merchandising Participation For The Amazing Spider-Man

 

Sony got itself in a financial bind, and needed the cash fast. Enter - DISNEY!

 

Disney got the better end of this deal. From what I read, Sony gets a larger return of the Spider-Man movie money and Disney gets the merchandise money. Since the movies are costing more and the returns are dropping, Disney saw more potential with the merchandise money than the movie money.

 

That's what I was thinking. Kids will buy Spider-Man toys from Disney whether a movie succeeds or not. Disney made out like a bandit due to Sony's poor financials. Oddly enough, isn't that why Marvel has all these movie rights issues in the first place is how they had to sell off such rights to deal with bankruptcy?

 

Reading that summary from Iger is interesting. He must have wanted to scream out 'INSTANT MONEY' with this news.

 

Then in July, Sony Pictures will release The Amazing Spiderman. We're excited about the film and expect it will drive significant benefits for Spiderman consumer products.

 

To that end, we recently completed a transaction with Sony Pictures to simplify our relationship. And then in the deal, we purchased Sony Pictures' participation in Spiderman merchandising, while at the same time, Sony Pictures purchased from us our participation in Spiderman films. This transaction will allow us to control and fully benefit from all Spiderman merchandising activity, while Sony will continue to produce and distribute Spiderman films. We won't be specific about the economics of this 2-way transaction, but we expect it will drive attractive returns for Disney.

 

All those birthday party kits, Halloween costumes, bed sheets, toys, branded radios/clocks/lamps, etc. - all Disney. And no movie budget risk for them.

 

This Disney you speak of sounds like they got it goin' on!