kav Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 My buddy bought them-they were flat cardboard cut-outs Boy was he disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I polled about ten people at work today individually on whether they had ever heard of this "spoon" of an artist and not one of them had , we all range in age 40-60 Maybe it's because you asked them whether they'd ever heard of the artist Rob Lichtenfield? You could also ask your work friends them if they've heard of Lava, Irish Spring, Zest, Quilted Northern, Indoor Plumbing, Parole Granted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Ask em if they squeezed the Charmin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unca Ben Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Even when mean is responded with mean, it's still mean. Know what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadpoolJr. Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 When I think of Russ Heath most I think of this awesome Roman Soldiers ad that ran for a bazillion years and countless comics. Russ said he got payed fifty dollars to draw that. Russ said “Yeah, the one with the Revolutionary Soldiers and the one with the Roman Soldiers. The Ads came in through the comic company - they’d say [his bosses] ‘I got an ad here for these things - you wanna do it?’ I got fifty bucks each for those. Wish I had a nickle for every time they used them. I’m wondering is there anything that was printed more than that!?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadpoolJr. Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 My buddy bought them-they were flat cardboard cut-outs Boy was he disappointed Heres a link with pictures of what they looked like. http://dougssoldiers.blogspot.com/2012/08/comic-book-toy-soldiers-lucky-toys-132.html Also Kav Russ said he got some heat for drawing the ads to good, and the company. Surprisingly, Russ never actually saw any of the Toy Soldiers themselves! However, he knew they were Flats and he certainly heard about them. He says “No, I never saw them [the Toy Soldiers.] You know it’s funny, I got letters too that they forwarded to me from the company and everybody was person_without_enough_empathying, they said ‘they’re not three dimensional, they’re only in relief [2D Flats] and it was really a rotten thing to do to the kids’. (laughs) Perhaps in his own humorous defense, Russ says “I tried to make, especially with the Revolutionary Soldiers Ad, I tried to make them look somewhat stiff and like the soldiers [Flats] would look.” Source http://www.thortrains.net/milihistriot/comictoys/comicbooktoysoldiersintro.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 That's disappointing. Would have sucked to get them as a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I was sure the Polaris sub would actually operate underwater I just couldn't understand how they could sell it so cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Better than sea monkeys I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadpoolJr. Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I was sure the Polaris sub would actually operate underwater I just couldn't understand how they could sell it so cheap There was a whole CSI New York episode about that actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 My buddy owns the only known surviving sub although it has some water damage from a flood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadpoolJr. Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Back on the subject Kav would you rather own a Lichtenstein or this remake Russ did of the add? Neither of which could be sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 The Heath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 'Lee' is one lucky dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hers a twist I don't think was mentioned. In this article, Russ Heath is quoted as having been invited to the original gallery opening back in 1963... He declined. So it's hard to say RL ignored or ran from the comic artists in question. http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2014/11/russ-heaths-lichtenstein-comic-an-overnight-sensation-two-years-in-the-making/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadpoolJr. Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hers a twist I don't think was mentioned. In this article, Russ Heath is quoted as having been invited to the original gallery opening back in 1963... He declined. So it's hard to say RL ignored or ran from the comic artists in question. http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2014/11/russ-heaths-lichtenstein-comic-an-overnight-sensation-two-years-in-the-making/ He says that in the second panel of the comic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisco37 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 As for seeing Lichtenstein's work in person, you really need to. Seeing one of his paintings next to an identically sized photo of a comic panel on Barsalou's website could not be more misleading. Unfortunately, they didn't allow photographs at the retrospective in the National Gallery in D.C. last year, but here's a photo of me next to "Sleeping Girl" (which is much smaller than some of his other well-known works) when it was displayed at the Philadelphia Museum of Art last year. Compare this to what would have been maybe a 3" x 4" panel in a comic book printed in muted 4-colors on newsprint. Well, to the extent you can, anyway. Only one of them attracts your eye and holds your attention with its bright, garish commercial printing colors, thick black lines and dotted face. There is no text (unlike the source material) - it leaves you to create your own narrative. In the comic, the narrative is spoon-fed to you - it was not meant to question or inspire, it was meant to entertain a 14-year old kid. That's not an insult, that's just a simple fact. To say that the art hasn't been transformed in a meaningful and interesting way is demonstrably false. All you have to do is physically compare that one panel in a comic book to this painting and look at the difference in color palette, size, texture, verbiage (or lack thereof), and, most importantly, context. You experience the comic and you experience Lichtenstein's painting in completely different ways. This!!! Seeing his stuff in person is a wonderful experience. I wish I had paid more attention to the goings on at the National Gallery so I could've seen the Retrospective. Luckily, the NGA houses quite a few RL's to begin with. Like Gene alluded to above, the paintings are pretty striking and bold. They do make an impression on you (well, me at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comicopolis Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I like Lichtenstein, I would like to see one of his pieces in person. As for seeing Lichtenstein's work in person, you really need to. Seeing one of his paintings next to an identically sized photo of a comic panel on Barsalou's website could not be more misleading. Unfortunately, they didn't allow photographs at the retrospective in the National Gallery in D.C. last year, but here's a photo of me next to "Sleeping Girl" (which is much smaller than some of his other well-known works) when it was displayed at the Philadelphia Museum of Art last year. Compare this to what would have been maybe a 3" x 4" panel in a comic book printed in muted 4-colors on newsprint. Well, to the extent you can, anyway. Only one of them attracts your eye and holds your attention with its bright, garish commercial printing colors, thick black lines and dotted face. There is no text (unlike the source material) - it leaves you to create your own narrative. In the comic, the narrative is spoon-fed to you - it was not meant to question or inspire, it was meant to entertain a 14-year old kid. That's not an insult, that's just a simple fact. To say that the art hasn't been transformed in a meaningful and interesting way is demonstrably false. All you have to do is physically compare that one panel in a comic book to this painting and look at the difference in color palette, size, texture, verbiage (or lack thereof), and, most importantly, context. You experience the comic and you experience Lichtenstein's painting in completely different ways. If Lichtenstein had gotten express permission to use the images and Russ Heath, Irv Novick, etc. were enthusiastic fans of his, few of you would be calling this work the boring work of a thieving hack. At the very least, you'd look at the art with an open mind and give it a chance. Instead, because he didn't go out of his way to do so and win the hearts and minds of future comic book aficionados in 2014, many of you view him as a pariah, and none of the extenuating circumstances (work-for-hire, publishers not caring back then, publishers sometimes not even crediting the artist, things being far less litigious back then (let alone arguing for fair use), RL actually having positive things to say about comic artists, scholars and museums later acknowledging the source material in exhibitions and materials, etc.) will dent your single-minded fury at the artist. And that, to me, is just a bit sad and misguided, because, as comic fans, I feel we should be enjoying this work even more than others. Wearing a cap in an art gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comicopolis Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I polled about ten people at work today individually on whether they had ever heard of this "spoon" of an artist and not one of them had , we all range in age 40-60, I had never heard of him until this thread and I googled him on his web images and realized instantly that his artwork was "spoon", I can appreciate great art and have been to a few museums and marveled at a Monet which was beautiful beyond description. I have been to the High museum in Atlanta 15 years ago and was ashamed at some of the x-rated modern art that children were able to view, no need to go into detail but trust me it was disgusting and NOT art. a leading contributor to this thread evidently is enamored with 1960's American pop art , if he were to be living in North Korea today he would be espousing the brilliance of the paintings created by their great leader Kim ul Jong who blesses the art world and paints a masterpiece every time his brush touches the canvas All hail Kim ul Jong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comicopolis Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I polled about ten people at work today individually on whether they had ever heard of this "spoon" of an artist and not one of them had , we all range in age 40-60, I had never heard of him until this thread and I googled him on his web images and realized instantly that his artwork was "spoon", I can appreciate great art and have been to a few museums and marveled at a Monet which was beautiful beyond description. I have been to the High museum in Atlanta 15 years ago and was ashamed at some of the x-rated modern art that children were able to view, no need to go into detail but trust me it was disgusting and NOT art. a leading contributor to this thread evidently is enamored with 1960's American pop art , if he were to be living in North Korea today he would be espousing the brilliance of the paintings created by their great leader Kim ul Jong who blesses the art world and paints a masterpiece every time his brush touches the canvas Honestly, this place would be barren without you. YOU RULE!!! I want to visit his workplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
