fastballspecial Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 On 1/14/2017 at 12:30 PM, valiantman said: Spawn's problem is the quantity of #1 available. They printed a million, and if they were $10 books, that would be $10,000,000 total. There are very few comic books which are worth $10,000,000 total. Amazing Spider-man #300 might have 100,000 copies remaining in all possible conditions, and they might average $50 to $80 each. That would only be $5,000,000 to $8,000,000. Spawn #1 is a "cheap book" but the market size for Spawn #1 may already exceed books like ASM #300. While I agree with the logic. The No 1 book bar none I see at shows is ASM 300. Everybody has mulitiple copies. Spawn is still in afterthought and you are right its due to print run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey Kids, Comics! Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, fastballspecial said: While I agree with the logic. The No 1 book bar none I see at shows is ASM 300. Everybody has mulitiple copies. Spawn is still in afterthought and you are right its due to print run. A lot of that is because people still think Spawn 1 is a worthless book. I know guys that have long boxes of Spawn 1, they just never take them to a show because they think they're $3-5. I dont' have a single copy of ASM 300 for sale, but I could throw a dozen Spawn 1's on my wall if I wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Hood Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 11 hours ago, Kevin76 said: Bats 423 isn't a key either, just a nice cover. Nice cover don't = keys 1st Todd MacFarlane work on Batman title might not be a major key but the public has spoken and prices, hence, demand for it is rising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey Kids, Comics! Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 54 minutes ago, Red_Hood said: 1st Todd MacFarlane work on Batman title might not be a major key but the public has spoken and prices, hence, demand for it is rising. So what does that have to do with Batman 423? He worked on Batman Year Two in Detective a year earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Hood Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, Hey Kids, Comics! said: So what does that have to do with Batman 423? He worked on Batman Year Two in Detective a year earlier. I said, Batman title... not Detective Comics title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey Kids, Comics! Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Red_Hood said: I said, Batman title... not Detective Comics title Indeed. I missed the Batman "title" part, but I don't think that's why people care. It's all about the cover, not the fact that it's the first time he worked on the specific title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeksAreMyPeeps Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 There are plenty of Valiant books that should be on this list over some of the books that are on it: X-O Manowar (first Aric) X-O Manowar #4 (first Jack Boniface) Shadowman #1 (first Shadowman) Solar #3 (first Harada) Solar #10 (first Eternal Warrior) Eternal Warrior #4 (first Bloodshot cameo) Rai #0 (first full Bloodshot) Magnus #5 (first Rai) Archer & Armstrong #0 (first A&A) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 12 hours ago, Red_Hood said: 1st Todd MacFarlane work on Batman title You misspelled "only" (and "McFarlane") and he only did the cover. 12 hours ago, Red_Hood said: might is not be a major key but the public has spoken and prices, hence, demand for it is rising. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Hood Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Lazyboy said: You misspelled "only" (and "McFarlane") and he only did the cover. Fixed. You waste a lot of your life with your negative attitude and opinion on every topic on these boards. In the real world you're what we call a Cliff Clavin, and nobody likes a Cliff Clavin. The constant need to be right doesn't impress anyone, your annoying habit just gives us something to talk about when you leave the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, Red_Hood said: You waste a lot of your life with your negative attitude and opinion on every topic on these boards. In the real world you're what we call a Cliff Clavin, and nobody likes a Cliff Clavin. The constant need to be right doesn't impress anyone, your annoying habit just gives us something to talk about when you leave the room. Yes, it's much better to constantly post things that are incorrect and/or misleading. I don't need to be right. I just want others to not feel so confident when they are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 On 12/17/2017 at 2:47 PM, Kevin76 said: ASM 301 and 316 need to go, 301 is just tough to find in 9.8 and 316 is just Venom's first cover appearance. Yup, not keys. On 12/17/2017 at 2:47 PM, Kevin76 said: Need to add DC Comics Presents 26 Like NTT 2, it doesn't qualify based on the date range given. But, yes, it is definitely a top Copper key that should be on any list. On 12/17/2017 at 2:47 PM, Kevin76 said: and Silver Surfer 44 (1st Gauntlet) Maybe a candidate, but I'm not sure if it makes the list. On 12/17/2017 at 2:47 PM, Kevin76 said: Spider-Man 1 Gold UPC, Spider-Man 1 Platinum Popular cover and (relative) rarity lead to high prices. Not key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Hood Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, Lazyboy said: Yes, it's much better to constantly post things that are incorrect and/or misleading. I don't need to be right. I just want others to not feel so confident when they are wrong. So let me get this straight. Whenever you write something its correct but whenever you disagree with someone else, they are incorrect. Awww, got it ! Batman #423 is in demand. High grade copies bring premiums above guide ALL THE TIME. Graded 9.8 copies sell for well over $300.00. McFarlane's cover art is all that is needed to be a contributor to his 1st (and who cares if its his only) work on the Batman title. People love the cover and some call it classic copper age. It carries many of the earmarks of what people consider a key or semi-key The fact you say it isn't a key does not make it such. So yeah, you do need to be right but you waste so much energy being negative that its off putting to others. I gather you need this internet outlet for some form of self validation because nobody in real life would give you the time of day to argue semantics over something that no one gives a **** about. Your ability to multi-quote and stroke out words and replace them with your own shows you spend to much wasted effort arguing with everybody in your posts. Here's an idea, try to be positive with contributions instead of whining that other people's opinions are wrong and needing to be the all mighty correct voice, it comes off as an inferiority complex. Edited December 19, 2017 by Red_Hood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Wow - tell us what you really think . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfingh Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Red_Hood said: So let me get this straight. Whenever you write something its correct but whenever you disagree with someone else, they are incorrect. Awww, got it ! Batman #423 is in demand. High grade copies bring premiums above guide ALL THE TIME. Graded 9.8 copies sell for well over $300.00. McFarlane's cover art is all that is needed to be a contributor to his 1st (and who cares if its his only) work on the Batman title. People love the cover and some call it classic copper age. It carries many of the earmarks of what people consider a key or semi-key The fact you say it isn't a key does not make it such. So yeah, you do need to be right but you waste so much energy being negative that its off putting to others. I gather you need this internet outlet for some form of self validation because nobody in real life would give you the time of day to argue semantics over something that no one gives a **** about. Your ability to multi-quote and stroke out words and replace them with your own shows you spend to much wasted effort arguing with everybody in your posts. Here's an idea, try to be positive with contributions instead of whining that other people's opinions are wrong and needing to be the all mighty correct voice, it comes off as an inferiority complex. It's not a key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeksAreMyPeeps Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Red_Hood said: So let me get this straight. Whenever you write something its correct but whenever you disagree with someone else, they are incorrect. Awww, got it ! Batman #423 is in demand. High grade copies bring premiums above guide ALL THE TIME. Graded 9.8 copies sell for well over $300.00. McFarlane's cover art is all that is needed to be a contributor to his 1st (and who cares if its his only) work on the Batman title. People love the cover and some call it classic copper age. It carries many of the earmarks of what people consider a key or semi-key The fact you say it isn't a key does not make it such. So yeah, you do need to be right but you waste so much energy being negative that its off putting to others. I gather you need this internet outlet for some form of self validation because nobody in real life would give you the time of day to argue semantics over something that no one gives a **** about. Your ability to multi-quote and stroke out words and replace them with your own shows you spend to much wasted effort arguing with everybody in your posts. Here's an idea, try to be positive with contributions instead of whining that other people's opinions are wrong and needing to be the all mighty correct voice, it comes off as an inferiority complex. Nice cover. But not a key. I can't think of any other situation where an artist's only work on a title is important. A writer's or artist's first work on a title or character that they became closely associated with? Sure. That contributes to a book being considered key. (Think Adams on GA, Moore on Swamp Thing, Miller on Daredevil, McFarlane on Spidey, etc.). McFarlane covers are getting a bump, and that might make this book pricey, but that doesn't make this book a key. Lazyboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I think you'd have tough time coming up with 50 key books in copper, just my opinion but it's the top 50 books and doesn't mention "key" I'm confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Sinescu Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 8 hours ago, Red_Hood said: So let me get this straight. Whenever you write something its correct but whenever you disagree with someone else, they are incorrect. Awww, got it ! Batman #423 is in demand. High grade copies bring premiums above guide ALL THE TIME. Graded 9.8 copies sell for well over $300.00. McFarlane's cover art is all that is needed to be a contributor to his 1st (and who cares if its his only) work on the Batman title. People love the cover and some call it classic copper age. It carries many of the earmarks of what people consider a key or semi-key The fact you say it isn't a key does not make it such. So yeah, you do need to be right but you waste so much energy being negative that its off putting to others. I gather you need this internet outlet for some form of self validation because nobody in real life would give you the time of day to argue semantics over something that no one gives a **** about. Your ability to multi-quote and stroke out words and replace them with your own shows you spend to much wasted effort arguing with everybody in your posts. Here's an idea, try to be positive with contributions instead of whining that other people's opinions are wrong and needing to be the all mighty correct voice, it comes off as an inferiority complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 9 hours ago, Red_Hood said: So let me get this straight. Whenever you write something its correct but whenever you disagree with someone else, they are incorrect. Awww, got it ! Batman #423 is in demand. High grade copies bring premiums above guide ALL THE TIME. Graded 9.8 copies sell for well over $300.00. McFarlane's cover art is all that is needed to be a contributor to his 1st (and who cares if its his only) work on the Batman title. People love the cover and some call it classic copper age. It carries many of the earmarks of what people consider a key or semi-key Yeah, people who conflate being valuable with being key. Keys are historically important, not currently popular. 9 hours ago, Red_Hood said: The fact you say it isn't a key does not make it such. What about everybody else? I was neither the first, nor the only person to say that. 9 hours ago, Red_Hood said: So yeah, you do need to be right but you waste so much energy being negative that its off putting to others. You might want to look at your own posting history before accusing others of being constantly negative. Just saying. 9 hours ago, Red_Hood said: I gather you need this internet outlet for some form of self validation because nobody in real life would give you the time of day to argue semantics over something that no one gives a **** about. Well, if people didn't care, they probably wouldn't be here. I have learned a lot in my time here, both directly from posts and from provided links. It annoys me when things that aren't correct stand unchallenged. Who benefits from that? 9 hours ago, Red_Hood said: Your ability to multi-quote and stroke out words and replace them with your own shows you spend to much wasted effort arguing with everybody in your posts. Effort? If you think that takes any real effort, what do you do for a living? Does somebody pay you to sleep? Can you get me a job like that (it would give me more free time to be negative here )? 9 hours ago, Red_Hood said: Here's an idea, try to be positive with contributions instead of whining that other people's opinions are wrong and needing to be the all mighty correct voice, it comes off as an inferiority complex. How is correcting misinformation not positive? Again, who benefits from the spread of misinformation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMan Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I like the cover of Batman #423. Carry on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 10 hours ago, Red_Hood said: So let me get this straight. Whenever you write something its correct but whenever you disagree with someone else, they are incorrect. Awww, got it ! Batman #423 is in demand. High grade copies bring premiums above guide ALL THE TIME. Graded 9.8 copies sell for well over $300.00. McFarlane's cover art is all that is needed to be a contributor to his 1st (and who cares if its his only) work on the Batman title. People love the cover and some call it classic copper age. It carries many of the earmarks of what people consider a key or semi-key The fact you say it isn't a key does not make it such. So yeah, you do need to be right but you waste so much energy being negative that its off putting to others. I gather you need this internet outlet for some form of self validation because nobody in real life would give you the time of day to argue semantics over something that no one gives a **** about. Your ability to multi-quote and stroke out words and replace them with your own shows you spend to much wasted effort arguing with everybody in your posts. Here's an idea, try to be positive with contributions instead of whining that other people's opinions are wrong and needing to be the all mighty correct voice, it comes off as an inferiority complex. Prices in high grade does'nt always equal key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...