How rare is Venom Vol 2 #1 (2011)?

[StuporMan]

Just trying to make sense of these census #s, multiple printings and variants. It appears that a newsstand copy of #1 first printing is the most rare.

 

Venom CGC census

 

I haven't seen too many variants for sale in high grade, just curious...

[Kyle R.]

Trying to pump up the book.....?

[ygogolak]

Venom 1 $3.99 Marvel 53,981

 

Newsstand, 3rd and 4th all super low on census.

[StuporMan]

Trying to pump up the book.....?

 

Nope, just trying to verify those who are.

[Kyle R.]

Trying to pump up the book.....?

 

Nope, just trying to verify those who are.

 

Ok. Thanks......?

[StuporMan]

Venom 1 $3.99 Marvel 53,981

 

Newsstand, 3rd and 4th all super low on census.

 

Good to know. Census on the direct #1 seems normal for a new-ish book, around 100 or so 9.8s. If this was key in any way it would probably be more around 1000+ based on that print run.

 

Any idea if that 50k+ number is for direct or newsstand or both? ...also if that includes the variants + printings?

[StuporMan]

Trying to pump up the book.....?

 

Nope, just trying to verify those who are.

 

Ok. Thanks......?

 

You're welcome.......?

[revat]

its pretty safe to say that modern newsstands for marvel are pretty rare relative to direct counterparts, especially in high grade. They were doing so poorly they got cancelled. How much that means to any person or group of persons is pretty subjective. If you MUST have something because you're a completionist thought, sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet and buy one, because no one else is slabbing them, and you have no idea where to find one (especially a newsstand)

[StuporMan]

its pretty safe to say that modern newsstands for marvel are pretty rare relative to direct counterparts, especially in high grade. They were doing so poorly they got cancelled. How much that means to any person or group of persons is pretty subjective. If you MUST have something because you're a completionist thought, sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet and buy one, because no one else is slabbing them, and you have no idea where to find one (especially a newsstand)

 

I'm probably more of a completionist when it comes to older titles because chasing all the modern variants will drive me

 

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

The census is not an accurate indicator of what exists. The census only tells us what has been slabbed. It tells us, in very broad terms, what might exist, but it is like having a 1,000 piece puzzle: the census is generally about 10-100 pieces of that puzzle.

[StuporMan]

The census is not an accurate indicator of what exists. The census only tells us what has been slabbed. It tells us, in very broad terms, what might exist, but it is like having a 1,000 piece puzzle: the census is generally about 10-100 pieces of that puzzle.

 

Good point, do you know where to get data on the various print runs of a single issue like this? ...for free?

[ygogolak]

The census is not an accurate indicator of what exists. The census only tells us what has been slabbed. It tells us, in very broad terms, what might exist, but it is like having a 1,000 piece puzzle: the census is generally about 10-100 pieces of that puzzle.

 

Good point, do you know where to get data on the various print runs of a single issue like this? ...for free?

Not "print run", but:

Monthly sales data for comics comes from comic book distributors who serve comics shops in North America. These figures come in two varieties: Preorders, for information before February 2003, and Final Orders, for information from February 2003 and later.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html

[ygogolak]

The census is not an accurate indicator of what exists. The census only tells us what has been slabbed. It tells us, in very broad terms, what might exist, but it is like having a 1,000 piece puzzle: the census is generally about 10-100 pieces of that puzzle.

 

So...it sounds like the Census is an accurate indicator of what exists that has been slabbed.

[ygogolak]

Venom 1 $3.99 Marvel 53,981

 

Newsstand, 3rd and 4th all super low on census.

 

Good to know. Census on the direct #1 seems normal for a new-ish book, around 100 or so 9.8s. If this was key in any way it would probably be more around 1000+ based on that print run.

 

Any idea if that 50k+ number is for direct or newsstand or both? ...also if that includes the variants + printings?

 

Just an FYI, 1,000 graded 9.8s from one company is a lot. There are only 982 Star Wars #1 (2015), currently. It will probably surpass 1k soon, but the distribution was 985,000++.

[valiantman]

The census is not an accurate indicator of what exists. The census only tells us what has been slabbed. It tells us, in very broad terms, what might exist, but it is like having a 1,000 piece puzzle: the census is generally about 10-100 pieces of that puzzle.

 

So...it sounds like the Census is an accurate indicator of what exists that has been slabbed.

The census is an accurate indicator of the maximum number that have been CGC slabbed.

The census is either correct or it is too high, due to resubmissions that don't get reported to CGC.

[ygogolak]

The census is not an accurate indicator of what exists. The census only tells us what has been slabbed. It tells us, in very broad terms, what might exist, but it is like having a 1,000 piece puzzle: the census is generally about 10-100 pieces of that puzzle.

 

So...it sounds like the Census is an accurate indicator of what exists that has been slabbed.

The census is an accurate indicator of the maximum number that have been CGC slabbed.

The census is either correct or it is too high, due to resubmissions that don't get reported to CGC.

True, I guess if someone cracks on and resubmits, the only person that would know is them. What do you think that is, 1%?

[StuporMan]

The census is not an accurate indicator of what exists. The census only tells us what has been slabbed. It tells us, in very broad terms, what might exist, but it is like having a 1,000 piece puzzle: the census is generally about 10-100 pieces of that puzzle.

 

So...it sounds like the Census is an accurate indicator of what exists that has been slabbed.

The census is an accurate indicator of the maximum number that have been CGC slabbed.

The census is either correct or it is too high, due to resubmissions that don't get reported to CGC.

 

I think it would be pretty interesting to model potential availability for a particular issue, like let's say ASM #50. You could take the raw data of total issues published -returns and then make a spread based on what has been submitted to CGC (of course you would have to assume that ANY grade would be sent to CGC) ...but then again I'm a nerd so of course formulas are interesting to me.

[StuporMan]

The census is not an accurate indicator of what exists. The census only tells us what has been slabbed. It tells us, in very broad terms, what might exist, but it is like having a 1,000 piece puzzle: the census is generally about 10-100 pieces of that puzzle.

 

So...it sounds like the Census is an accurate indicator of what exists that has been slabbed.

The census is an accurate indicator of the maximum number that have been CGC slabbed.

The census is either correct or it is too high, due to resubmissions that don't get reported to CGC.

True, I guess if someone cracks on and resubmits, the only person that would know is them. What do you think that is, 1%?

 

I'd say it's higher on keys. What would also be interesting is the tracking of cross-submissions and their relative grades. Like how many peegeeex 9.8s wind up as CGC 9.6s for example.

[ygogolak]

Trying to pump up the book.....?

 

Nope, just trying to verify those who are.

 

Ok. Thanks......?

 

You're welcome.......?

 

Hmm, writer for CBR?

[valiantman]

The census is not an accurate indicator of what exists. The census only tells us what has been slabbed. It tells us, in very broad terms, what might exist, but it is like having a 1,000 piece puzzle: the census is generally about 10-100 pieces of that puzzle.

 

So...it sounds like the Census is an accurate indicator of what exists that has been slabbed.

The census is an accurate indicator of the maximum number that have been CGC slabbed.

The census is either correct or it is too high, due to resubmissions that don't get reported to CGC.

True, I guess if someone cracks on and resubmits, the only person that would know is them. What do you think that is, 1%?

 

I'd say it's higher on keys. What would also be interesting is the tracking of cross-submissions and their relative grades. Like how many peegeeex 9.8s wind up as CGC 9.6s for example.

Resubmissions are probably higher than 1% on key issues, or any situation where a slight grade bump results in hundreds of extra dollars of value (far more than the cost of resubmission).

 

Cross-submission numbers are likely to be something we'll never know.