s14roller Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Now, before we start, let me clarify by 'it's peers". As we all know, ASM1 isn't the first appearance of Spidey, or really the first appearance of anything other than his first series. However, I was thinking this morning about how the book is similar to say, Iron Man #1, etc., in that it may have a origin retold or something, but other than kicking off the series and being a "#1", there's not really something that would classify it as a major key per se. However, the value says otherwise. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Major SA key, iconic cover, more affordable than AF15, first issue of the most popular character of the silver age and arguably right there withn Superman and Batman. I think comparing it to Superman 1 is more accurate than say Iron Man 1 although Superman 1 scarcity is off the charts. zosocane and DST 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FineCollector Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I disagree with the majority that #1 automatically makes it a key. Is Atom #1 a key? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul747 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Silver said: Major SA key, iconic cover, more affordable than AF15, first issue of the most popular character of the silver age and arguably right there withn Superman and Batman. I think comparing it to Superman 1 is more accurate than say Iron Man 1 although Superman 1 scarcity is off the charts. This! Scarcity aside. Batman, Superman and silver age spider-man! The price is on a recent accent. As AF 15 gets more unreachable, people are going for the next best thing and a #1 that lead off a historic run is a good place to go. Unlike batman #1 and Superman #1, AMS #1 is a second appearance. I think its going to keep being expensive and in relative terms has always been valuable. Scarcity aside the second appearance as a #1 is a huge factor. I think Action #2 or next cover appearance or Tec #28 or next cover appearance would be a better peer group. Iron Man #1 is a modern in comparison . Edited August 17, 2018 by paul747 DST, Frisco Larson and I am not Glenda 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DST Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) The “Amazing Spider-Man” title is arguably the most successful series in the Marvel Comics franchise history. It is the second appearance (in a #1 issue) and launches the solo story of its most popular singular character. We are talking about the top dog of Marvel here... Iron Man, while a great character, isn’t exactly in Spidey’s league. I agree with @Silver and @paul747 with their points and comparisons. 100% spot on guys Edited August 17, 2018 by DST I am not Glenda, Ricksneatstuff and zosocane 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WoWitHurts Posted August 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2018 Aside from Spider-Man being more popular, ASM 1 is his second appearance. IM 1 is like his 100+ appearance. DST, WolverineX, Readcomix and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s14roller Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 All fair points, and I agree about the importance of the beginning of a very successful Marvel series. I suppose I haven't really considered the importance of second appearances just yet in collecting. DST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 First appearances are great, but that’s not the only factor that makes a comic a “key”. There’s no concrete formula; but comics can be keys for lots of other reasons. Amazing Spider-Man #1 is a key, and a very important one at that. DST and Frisco Larson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpc3qh Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I agree that the comparison to Superman 1, or Batman 1, is far more apt than Iron Man 1, especially because the longterm popularity and success of the character matters so much. Until the MCU, Iron Man was really a second tier character--if he hadn't been, Sony would've acquired his film rights when they took on Spider-Man. I am not Glenda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoWitHurts Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, bpc3qh said: I agree that the comparison to Superman 1, or Batman 1, is far more apt than Iron Man 1, especially because the longterm popularity and success of the character matters so much. Until the MCU, Iron Man was really a second tier character--if he hadn't been, Sony would've acquired his film rights when they took on Spider-Man. I disagree. Define secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 It is simple - as AF #15 gets out of reach for most collectors they bid up prices on ASM #1 as a back up. For the cost of a 0.5 AF #15 you can have a 4.0 ASM #1, which has much better eye appeal. KirbyJack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordysnordy Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I also think run collectors play a part in it. There are very many ASM completionists and ALL of them NEED ASM 1 for their collection. (everything else said about AF 1 getting out of reach, Marvel's # 1 hero etc all do play a part also) DST and KirbyJack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not A Clone Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 hours ago, DST said: The “Amazing Spider-Man” title is arguably the most successful series in the Marvel Comics franchise history. It is the second appearance (in a #1 issue) and launches the solo story of its most popular singular character. We are talking about the top dog of Marvel here... Iron Man, while a great character, isn’t exactly in Spidey’s league. I agree with @Silver and @paul747 with their points and comparisons. 100% spot on guys I have to stop after every one of your posts to gush over your AF15. One day... DST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not A Clone Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, Jordysnordy said: I also think run collectors play a part in it. There are very many ASM completionists and ALL of them NEED ASM 1 for their collection. (everything else said about AF 1 getting out of reach, Marvel's # 1 hero etc all do play a part also) This for sure. Iconic cover, FF appearance, surprise hit from AF15, iconic character. All of the Silver age Marvel heroes are great, but none really can match Spidey's popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Iron Man #1 came out 5 years after his first appearance. Superman #1, Batman #1, ASM #1 are "from the next year" books vs. the first appearance. That's Iron Man's specific problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not A Clone Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, valiantman said: Iron Man #1 came out 5 years after his first appearance. Superman #1, Batman #1, ASM #1 are "from the next year" books vs. the first appearance. That's Iron Man's specific problem. I hear he (Iron Man) has a drinking problem too Edited August 17, 2018 by Not A Clone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Not A Clone said: 12 minutes ago, valiantman said: Iron Man #1 came out 5 years after his first appearance. Superman #1, Batman #1, ASM #1 are "from the next year" books vs. the first appearance. That's Iron Man's specific problem. I hear he (Iron Man) has a drinking problem too Not in Iron Man #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
october Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Batman 1 is not an appropriate comparison book. It's the first appearance of two of the most famous villains in comics. ASM 1 is the first appearance of....The Chameleon. One would be a top key regardless of whether or not there was a #1 on the cover, the other would be a footnote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoWitHurts Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 hour ago, valiantman said: Not in Iron Man #1. Or did he...hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecranu Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 3 hours ago, october said: Batman 1 is not an appropriate comparison book. It's the first appearance of two of the most famous villains in comics. ASM 1 is the first appearance of....The Chameleon. One would be a top key regardless of whether or not there was a #1 on the cover, the other would be a footnote. Don't forget Jameson It's a settle key, with AF15 being so pricey. Knightsofold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...