Mr.Mcknowitall Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Pirate said: Sorry don't believe you and don't see people rushing to your rescue. Is there really a reason to be sorry? I don't detect sincerity. iIs it just being mannerly? You don't believe somebody, simply state "I don't believe you". Form everything you have opined on the subject, you definitely are not sorry, IMHO. That is neither right or wrong, it just is. It just sounds a bit disingenuous, to me, to state "sorry". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, Mr.Mcknowitall said: Is there really a reason to be sorry? I don't detect sincerity. iIs it just being mannerly? You don't believe somebody, simply state "I don't believe you". Form everything you have opined on the subject, you definitely are not sorry, IMHO. That is neither right or wrong, it just is. It just sounds a bit disingenuous, to me, to state "sorry". "Sorry not sorry." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, TwoPiece said: "Sorry not sorry." I'm sorry..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said: I'm sorry..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said: Is there really a reason to be sorry? I don't detect sincerity. iIs it just being mannerly? You don't believe somebody, simply state "I don't believe you". Form everything you have opined on the subject, you definitely are not sorry, IMHO. That is neither right or wrong, it just is. It just sounds a bit disingenuous, to me, to state "sorry". Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, TwoPiece said: One of my 3 top favorite Shows (See what I did there....S not s... twice.) theCapraAegagrus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, Pirate said: Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzetta Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) On 9/11/2018 at 7:55 PM, cgcmod8 said: I thought I would make one post here about this topic. I feel that one has the right to post one time that someone is on the Pro/Hos list. Doing so a second time in the same thread, I consider trolling. If someone from these lists is buying or selling on the forum, that is a different story. I feel that "the list" could be mentioned whenever the person tries to buy and sell, with no moderator action. The thing is, these people have a right to post according to the current board rules. If the rules change, moderation will change accordingly. Again, this is my personal opinion. I hope this helps. To: @cgcmod8 So here you have it, as you state above, you claim that if someone from these lists is buying or selling on the forum, that is a different story. Here is Chip Cataldo admitting that he is trying to purchase books through private message. Has the story now changed? If you feel that he should be allowed to post on the forum according to board rules then I get that and fine. However, by trying to use the PM system to circumvent his status of being on the Pro/HOS list then he is ABUSING that aspect of his account. Perhaps if he must stay, his ability to PM should be removed. Edited September 13, 2018 by Buzzetta Logan510 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 27.5% of members voting (11) have voted no. They all must be backing the wrong horse and sticking their necks out and defending wrongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comix4fun Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 1:39 PM, thunsicker said: What's the use case? Do we have a lot of HoS members posting? Are they posting in a way that hurts the community? Is this just HoS or Probation as well? If someone's in the HOS, they've already hurt the community, and have done so in a material or repeated way and in way that is irreparable. That is how they got onto the HOS. That is why the HOS is permanent. Being that it's a permanent label it deserves permanent treatment, permanent loss of status, and a permanent loss of the protection of not offenders. There's nothing preventing the person from going to some other forum or board or website and starting over, but once they've made it to the HOS here they've burned all those social bridges and abdicated all standing in the community. Jeffro., Logan510, oakman29 and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post comix4fun Posted September 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2018 On 9/11/2018 at 6:55 PM, cgcmod8 said: I thought I would make one post here about this topic. I feel that one has the right to post one time that someone is on the Pro/Hos list. Doing so a second time in the same thread, I consider trolling. If someone from these lists is buying or selling on the forum, that is a different story. I feel that "the list" could be mentioned whenever the person tries to buy and sell, with no moderator action. The thing is, these people have a right to post according to the current board rules. If the rules change, moderation will change accordingly. Again, this is my personal opinion. I hope this helps. However, you have people who are on the HOS list who have posted in a "gee whiz look at these great kewl items/collection I just got" in a non-sales thread as a illusory construct to invite PM inquiries to conduct business in a way that circumvents their well-earned status on the HOS list. This is the type of circumvention that invites, nay...demands, something more than a simple post informing people of his/her status as a HOS member. It's an overt act that should not be seen as an innocent or inadvertent action. It's intentional. Jeffro., Buzzetta, RockMyAmadeus and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, comix4fun said: If someone's in the HOS, they've already hurt the community, and have done so in a material or repeated way and in way that is irreparable. That is how they got onto the HOS. That is why the HOS is permanent. Being that it's a permanent label it deserves permanent treatment, permanent loss of status, and a permanent loss of the protection of not offenders. There's nothing preventing the person from going to some other forum or board or website and starting over, but once they've made it to the HOS here they've burned all those social bridges and abdicated all standing in the community. Is there definitive language and Rules posted anywhere? I can not find it in the HOS Rules Thread of 21 pages. I read a lot of suggestions from members, but nothing as conclusive as your statements, as to what being listed on the HOS means, what permanent treatment means, and what permanent loss of status ans permanent loss of protection of not offenders means, and what abdicated all standing in the community means. Is it possible it is in another Thread? I would appreciate a link. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post october Posted September 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) On 9/10/2018 at 3:05 PM, RockMyAmadeus said: This has never been an issue in the past, because those who ended up on the HOS usually had the appropriate sense of shame to slink off on their own. That's now no longer the case. Publicly at least. There are multiple PL/HOS members who deal extensively via PM, including with members who should know better. Personally? I think the HOS should result in an outright ban. Members who are on the PL for more than a reasonable amount of time (3-6 months) should also be banned. What's the advantage to keeping those types of people around as members of this community?* *A noted exception: I've really been enjoying the Lighthouse thread. Edited September 13, 2018 by october maidenmate91, Buzzetta, Logan510 and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, october said: *A noted exception: I've really been enjoying the Lighthouse thread. While I have enjoyed the Thread, does that make it an exception? If posting a Thread that members may enjoy, that does not sound like a Rule to follow, to determine a ban. It would seem to me that anybody on the List could do so, and have Board friends endorse it. You have used the Lighthouse example. I thought I read he elected to stay on the List. Is that fact? What if, in the passage of time, you were to engage in a deal of sorts with him? After all, he runs a Comics Store and may offer an advantage to someone on the Boards, via PM. I am not sure your exceptions suggestion would work. But, that is up to the membership. I do see cliques forming though, and skewing the suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
october Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) An exception to the notion that PL/HOS have nothing positive to contribute....not an exception to the ban suggestion. Edited September 13, 2018 by october Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, october said: An exception to the notion that PL/HOS have nothing positive to contribute....not an exception to the ban suggestion. I see many issues with this, but that is up to the members, not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfingh Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 It is not up to the members. It is up to the hosts. The hosts repeatedly have avoided anything that results in an outright ban (presumably even bad actors may still get stuff slabbed). This discussion appears to be trying to move the needle on that. namisgr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mcknowitall Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, seanfingh said: It is not up to the members. It is up to the hosts. The hosts repeatedly have avoided anything that results in an outright ban (presumably even bad actors may still get stuff slabbed). This discussion appears to be trying to move the needle on that. Ask Buzz to post the PMs....you may find it interesting on that particular point, and 180 degrees in fact from what he has suggested. What needle is being moved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfingh Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 It appears to me that there is a grass-roots movement to convince the mods to ban HOS members, or disable their ability to post at the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comix4fun Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, seanfingh said: It appears to me that there is a grass-roots movement to convince the mods to ban HOS members, or disable their ability to post at the least. Or, at the very least, consider self-policing of these worst offenders to be exempt from the standard anti-trolling moderation action. As moderation has been heretofore reluctant to permanently exile or ostracize anyone from the tribe for HOS induction, perhaps allowing the tribe to speak freely when those parties attempt to ingratiate themselves back into the fold would be a fair compromise in place of more permanent action. Many less than welcome, honest, or forthright members would rely on the shield moderation provides in a way that it should never have been intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...