vodou Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, pemart1966 said: But didn't Evanier say above that the Surfer piece was "around 70% by Jack"? Otherwise known as a C-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICKYBOBBY Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, pemart1966 said: But didn't Evanier say above that the Surfer piece was "around 70% by Jack"? Yes - exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICKYBOBBY Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, vodou said: Otherwise known as a C-. I guess - you must consider most of his covers C- as well. What cover is 100% kirby after the inker is done? Edited August 29, 2019 by RICKYBOBBY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 32 minutes ago, RICKYBOBBY said: I guess - you must consider most of his covers C- as well. What cover is 100% kirby after the inker is done? You are aware that it's not inked, right? Apple...meet...orange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICKYBOBBY Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Well I am only talking about the final image a person would see - so not apples and oranges . You see 70% kirby in SS piece and you would see a similar percentage in a final cover. Here maybe some people are only okay seeing a final product - maybe you’ll like this better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICKYBOBBY Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Anyways, this is getting off topic. All I am saying it’s a Jack Kirby piece. Who honestly cares if he had some help with it? Doesn’t bother me. Jack was proud enough to hang it in his home and it’s now an honor to hang in my office. Don’t think anything else matters. KirbyJack and Unca Ben 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artdealer Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 If a piece of art is not 100% pencilled by Kirby, then it’s not a total Kirby and therefore not worth nearly what a completely 100% pencilled Kirby would be worth. MI Andahaion, Twanj and vodou 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 7 hours ago, glendgold said: Yeah, it's amazing - I don't own it but a friend does. I printed the image of it and pasted it onto a college journal I had to submit at the end of semester. The professor said my work was fairly standard but the unsolicited cover added to my notebook put me over the top. Again thank you Jack Kirby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 I get more than a little fidgety when I hear stuff like "around N% by artist X". What does that mean? Did the artist do all of the backgrounds and none of the figures? Did he draw faces only? Hands, feet, torsos and a couple of trees? I don't know and neither does anyone else including an expert who's using the term "around". Clearly he can't remember if he's using that type of term. Add to this that there were people that were very good at signing said artist's signature all adds up to "caveat emptor" IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artdealer Posted August 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2019 One of several Jack Kirby originals I own. Most of what I own are from the 1950 - 1956 period, but this is a special (to me) piece. Back in 1978, Larry Shell and I published Jack Kirby Masterworks. At the time it was only the 2nd art book of Jack's work. Jack and Roz were wonderful to work with. One day a package shows up at my apartment in NYC from the the Kirby's. Inside are a dozen or so illustrations Jack had drawn. I had no idea these were coming. I called Jack and he said he wanted the book to be special, so he drew these for me to publish in the book. Some of the full page illustration were for sale, but most weren't, at that time. However, I had sold this particular drawing to a friend back in 1978. He brought it to San Diego this Summer and asked if I wanted to buy it. I told him I couldn't afford to pay all at once, so he gave me a better price, and allowed me to make payments. And it doesn't hurt that Bulls Eye is one of my 3 favorite Kirby characters (the other 2 being Stuntman and Boys Ranch). MI KirbyJack, Twanj, Unca Ben and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICKYBOBBY Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, artdealer said: If a piece of art is not 100% pencilled by Kirby, then it’s not a total Kirby and therefore not worth nearly what a completely 100% pencilled Kirby would be worth. MI No argument there. Not even talking about monetary value here. Just trying to set the record straight here that it is Kirby. So he had some help on it - it still doesn’t change how magnificent the piece is. And Saying it’s not Kirby is just a rude opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artdealer Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Just now, RICKYBOBBY said: No argument there. Not even talking about monetary value here. Just trying to set the record straight here that it is Kirby. So he had some help on it - it still doesn’t change how magnificent the piece is. And Saying it’s not Kirby is just a rude opinion. Well, it's a partial Kirby. And it's not that magnificent considering is only a partial Kirby. vodou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, RICKYBOBBY said: No argument there. Not even talking about monetary value here. Just trying to set the record straight here that it is Kirby. So he had some help on it - it still doesn’t change how magnificent the piece is. And Saying it’s not Kirby is just a rude opinion. That's not a rude opinion that's a fact. vodou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICKYBOBBY Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, pemart1966 said: That's not a rude opinion that's a fact. No it’s not fact it’s an opinion. Don’t get confused. The fact is - Jack Kirby worked on this piece. Anything beyond that is just someone’s opinion that has no backing. Edited August 29, 2019 by RICKYBOBBY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICKYBOBBY Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, artdealer said: Well, it's a partial Kirby. And it's not that magnificent considering is only a partial Kirby. Jack had it hanging in his home. That’s magnificent enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICKYBOBBY Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, pemart1966 said: I get more than a little fidgety when I hear stuff like "around N% by artist X". What does that mean? Did the artist do all of the backgrounds and none of the figures? Did he draw faces only? Hands, feet, torsos and a couple of trees? I don't know and neither does anyone else including an expert who's using the term "around". Clearly he can't remember if he's using that type of term. Add to this that there were people that were very good at signing said artist's signature all adds up to "caveat emptor" IMO. I wouldn’t get lost in the % numbers. Mark was nice enough to provide an idea that it’s majority Jack Kirby. You can jus translate that into “he had some help”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artdealer Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 26 minutes ago, RICKYBOBBY said: No it’s not fact it’s an opinion. Don’t get confused. The fact is - Jack Kirby worked on this piece. Anything beyond that is just someone’s opinion that has no backing. The fact is it’s not 100% Kirby. That’s an undisputed fact. Therefore this must be described as “drawn by Kirby and an assistant”. Regardless of how much you want this to be 100% Kirby, it will never be. And when you go to sell, you’ll be surprised to see how the attribution will affect the price. Andahaion and Twanj 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICKYBOBBY Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, artdealer said: The fact is it’s not 100% Kirby. That’s an undisputed fact. Therefore this must be described as “drawn by Kirby and an assistant”. Regardless of how much you want this to be 100% Kirby, it will never be. And when you go to sell, you’ll be surprised to see how the attribution will affect the price. Hey listen you keep bringing this back to money. I don’t care Jack had help on this piece and many others who don’t mind. How many Jack Kirby Silver Surfer pencils with Dr doom do you know that exist? I am guessing not many. I know of one and he turned 100k down. Its a great piece to own and looks amazing on the wall. If you care kirby had help on it then that’s your preference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 49 minutes ago, RICKYBOBBY said: Jack had it hanging in his home. That’s magnificent enough for me. I once had a Playboy calendar hanging in my home. It was magnificent enough for me - but it wasn't 100% real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, RICKYBOBBY said: No it’s not fact it’s an opinion. Don’t get confused. The fact is - Jack Kirby worked on this piece. Anything beyond that is just someone’s opinion that has no backing. I'm not the one that's confused. What is fact is that it's not 100% Kirby. What is also fact is that no one can seem to say exactly what he did on this piece. We have a guesstimate of 70% but that doesn't tell anyone anything... Edited August 30, 2019 by pemart1966 ESeffinga 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...