Krismusic Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 14 hours ago, Poekaymon said: I had all the Joes and saved the backing cards and all that too. Had all the Star Wars figures too. Had huge crates of the stuff that I think we ultimately donated in the late 80s. Them's the breaks. Yeah but at least you feel good that you donated it and someone else got to enjoy it.. I think every collector get to this stage at some point in their collecting life. littledoom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littledoom Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) I remember in March when this all started I got many messages from cheapskate lowballers asking for 70-80% off my prices because the "world was ending"... point is they thought it was a buyers market and we all know how that turned out.... Edited August 20, 2020 by littledoom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Adam Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 The only big difference I have noticed with COVID is how many more US sellers - including many sellers on these CGC sales forums - now refuse to ship to Canada. pubmonkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piper Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 39 minutes ago, Black_Adam said: The only big difference I have noticed with COVID is how many more US sellers - including many sellers on these CGC sales forums - now refuse to ship to Canada. I agree. I’ve been very fortunate that a boardie has been an intermediary and shipped books to Canada for me. Hollywood1892 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood1892 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Yeah This thread aged horribly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piper Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 38 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said: Yeah This thread aged horribly It proves trying to be Nostradamus is hard. snitzer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asianassassincomics Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Sports card market has also gone nuts and not a buyer's market. Unopened boxes, PSA 10s and Jordan / Kobe / Lebron stuff is crazy. Hollywood1892 and Comicshows 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sChild Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) I think it has to do with people being bored out of their minds, spending more time working from home and thus spending more time on the computer procrastinating, and also a bit of fear which resulted in subconscious hoarding mentality similar to what we saw with toilet paper back in the early covid panic. Those of us who are collectors release our hoarding urge on whatever it is we focus collecting. I went the opposite direction and sold a bunch. I think it is a bit funny my sales thread that was posted near the bottom of the crash has prices today that would make people angry. I had a ton of books that went unsold and a few others that sold for 30-50% more not much afterwards. Edited August 21, 2020 by 90sChild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snitzer Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Asianassassincomics said: Sports card market has also gone nuts and not a buyer's market. Unopened boxes, PSA 10s and Jordan / Kobe / Lebron stuff is crazy. Not to mention the graded, sealed video game market as well. Insane prices being paid for NES titles. Tyson, Zelda, Metroid, etc., all commanding big dollars in high grade. Hollywood1892 and Asianassassincomics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Dositheus Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 BIG AUCTIONS THIS WEEK! WALLETS WILL TAKE BEATINGS! Now we'll really get to see if the long sought buyer's market will start to emerge. If you've been watching closely there has been downward price pressure on the higher grade keys, books that sell for five figures plus, but that just hasn't affected the books in the $500 - $5000 range much yet. I think we might start to see some signs of the buyer's market coming this week. It just feels like the number of sellers is on the rise, and the abundant cash is either kind of on pause or being used for more important things right now. Hollywood1892 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood1892 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 9 hours ago, snitzer said: Not to mention the graded, sealed video game market as well. Insane prices being paid for NES titles. Tyson, Zelda, Metroid, etc., all commanding big dollars in high grade. Yes, this is insane I see Nerdygirl on Instagram selling sealed graded video games all the time and I'm like "What, this is a thing?" GreatCaesarsGhost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood1892 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Doctor Dositheus said: BIG AUCTIONS THIS WEEK! WALLETS WILL TAKE BEATINGS! Now we'll really get to see if the long sought buyer's market will start to emerge. If you've been watching closely there has been downward price pressure on the higher grade keys, books that sell for five figures plus, but that just hasn't affected the books in the $500 - $5000 range much yet. I think we might start to see some signs of the buyer's market coming this week. It just feels like the number of sellers is on the rise, and the abundant cash is either kind of on pause or being used for more important things right now. It will be interesting, but in defense of five figure books, those can fluctuate a few k here and there seemingly over night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 On 8/20/2020 at 6:05 PM, Black_Adam said: The only big difference I have noticed with COVID is how many more US sellers - including many sellers on these CGC sales forums - now refuse to ship to Canada. Agreed! To all you Yanks, us Hosers are fine paying for it! You can track stuff and if we get but with customs, that’s on the buyer. It doesn’t even take that long anymore, couple weeks, same as usual. pubmonkey, Hollywood1892 and Black_Adam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmoore54 Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 On 2020-08-20 at 4:35 PM, Hollywood1892 said: Yeah This thread aged horribly Most all observations, reports and accounts here are anecdotal...which is fine but does not necessarily convey all reality and truth. And a lot of these areas and items are quite niche-y. Current CLINK Auction has as many uber/HG ASM I've seen in some time 1-50+ (seems like someone unloaded their HG collection) so I will be curious to see for these the final sales prices. I will go so far as to say or feel that the market has remained fairly stable but I do not see any significant or slightly significant uptick in Silver Age market (my interest)... Hollywood1892 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sChild Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, trmoore54 said: Most all observations, reports and accounts here are anecdotal...which is fine but does not necessarily convey all reality and truth. And a lot of these areas and items are quite niche-y. Current CLINK Auction has as many uber/HG ASM I've seen in some time 1-50+ (seems like someone unloaded their HG collection) so I will be curious to see for these the final sales prices. I will go so far as to say or feel that the market has remained fairly stable but I do not see any significant or slightly significant uptick in Silver Age market (my interest)... Yeah I noticed that as well... silver seems undervalued compared to copper or bronze which is just fine with me. Most of the speculation coming into copper and even modern books seems very short sighted to me and is based only on the movie speculation train we've seen over the past 10-15 years. It is a simple supply and demand equation and yet nobody is paying attention to just how much supply there is of 9.8 copper and modern books. I'd take a 8.5 or 9.0 silver over a 9.8 modern any day and will continue to do so as I only add silver books to the collection. Last book I bought was a FF#28 8.5, looking at the census counting all the 8.5 copies there are still less than 200 total graded. It sells for roughly what a CGC 9.6 ultimate fallout #4 would get. Nearly 2000 9.8's and 1500 9.6's on the census for the book, but as we all know, the 1st miles book will continue to climb higher and higher in price despite those numbers, and I have zero doubt it will outperform my FF#28 over the next few years. That didn't stop me from buying it though, I'm sticking with the rarity side of the equation. Edited August 23, 2020 by 90sChild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood1892 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Yeah Prices of moderns confuses me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post trmoore54 Posted August 27, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2020 And the winner is…COMICLINK!! I posted a thread in Comics General back on April 3 as to whether the COVID19 effects would create a buyer’s market in the greater comics collecting world. Seemed logical that one might expect that, given the economic ramifications that ensued since March. And over the course of the thread, many board members have weighed in and quite a few people have expressed not only is it NOT a buyer’s market but in many cases has been an up-trending seller’s market. Granted, many of the reports are anecdotal and many refer to niche-y small markets. Several people voiced the opinion that the huge unemployment numbers were just a temporary setback and once the world and USA/Canada started opening back up people would return to their jobs and things would eventually return to normal. Especially for the unemployed who were essentially barred from working or opening their businesses depending on the nature of the business. So, as we have seen in the last month or so, (I’ll speak primarily of the US and California as my frame of reference) many people are returning to work and socially returning to support businesses etc. And yet we’ve had some start-backs and some re-shutdowns and we’re still not there yet…in many ways closer and in perhaps largely not yet out of the woods. So this pandemic environment is certainly fluid and the overall situation still in flux. I’m mostly interested in the SA market and primarily Marvel books…and even more primarily, ASM. So the ComicLink Auction that featured many many HG ASM in the past week and that closed yesterday, I’d thought I’d do a small sample analysis to see what results we might glean from it. And I only focused on the AF15/ASM1-50 issues, which were 58 books. And as always, I found these results interesting to say the least. The first thing that I always check, is did the final sales price actually make any of the sellers any money. When selling through an auction house bear in mind you have to realize an 11% profit to earn a 1% profit. My analysis, only compares the sale price to the current market expectation, which is primarily in this case the most recent GPA sale or an average of recent GPA sales (not an absolute definition of the market by any means but sound enough for this analysis I feel). In this regard, I am thinking how I would feel…I am deciding to sell the book for whatever reason but I am assuming most sellers would like to make a profit. And especially in a HG Auction, can I set a new higher market price for my effort. These emotions can swing both ways, for the buyer as well. The buyer wins the book at market or less and initially feels “I got a good deal”…and then perhaps reflects, is the price level trending downward. Would be of more concern for the quick flippers than the long-haul collector. There are other explanations as well such as ASM 13 where hype took this book to a high of about $7500+ with most recent sale of $6600 and now a sale of $6211. Oh to speculate. Granted, this analysis doesn’t take into account for net gain or profit the buyer’s purchase price, as any number of the sellers could’ve bought the book at any point in the past at a lower or much lower price. But it is a barometer I feel and does provide some information about expectations and the current market. Some people did well over market…while many others lost (don’t forget that 10% commission). The net losses for the 2 lower grade AF15s were an approximate 20% hit (and again, I think this title fluctuates quite a bit on any given grade point depending on overall appearance, page quality etc. that dictates that all 4.5s or 3.0s are not equal, and that applies to all books and grades). Most of the books that achieved 35% or greater net gains were specialized, more “one off” type books, either selectively rare HG books or a Pedigree. I realize also that movie hype and other anticipations affect certain books and they will fluctuate more than other books…I don’t keep track of all of those things. Only 7 of the 58 books achieved a 36% or greater net gain. For the ASM 39s, 9.6 and 9.4, would you be bummed if you had a 30% and 13% net loss respectively? Lastly, and this is I think the most interesting. I think the 10% commission makes it really hard to make money on comics unless you hold them for some time…talking 5 years or more in many cases. The 58 books realized a total sales of $461,025 providing CLINK with a tidy $46,103 commission. The $8,508 aggregate net gain provided the sellers an aggregate net gain of 1.8%. Note the following: Issue 18 9.8 highest grade 1 of 5 Issue 21 9.4 Northland Pedigree Issue 22 9.4 Suscha News Pedigree Issue 36 9.8 highest grade 1 of 5 Issue 38 9.8 highest graded white pages COMICLINK AUCTION 8.25.2020 MARKET ANALYSIS ASM 1-50 SALES ISSUE GRADE MARKET FINAL SALE DELTA % G/L CL COMM NET SALE NET GAIN NET% G/L AF15 7.5 120000 138779 18779 0.156 13878 124901 4901 0.041 AF15 4.5 29334 27010 -2324 -0.079 2701 24309 -5025 -0.171 AF15 3.0 18000 16001 -1999 -0.111 1600 14401 -3599 -0.200 1 7.5 26000 29250 3250 0.125 2925 26325 325 0.013 1 4.5 8700 10775 2075 0.239 1078 9698 998 0.115 2 8.0 6196 7887 1691 0.273 789 7098 902 0.146 3 9.0 8950 12250 3300 0.369 1225 11025 2075 0.232 4 9.0 9000 10777 1777 0.197 1078 9699 699 0.078 5 8.5 3420 3422 2 0.001 342 3080 -340 -0.099 6 9.4 10800 9752 -1048 -0.097 975 8777 -2023 -0.187 7 9.2 4500 5500 1000 0.222 550 4950 450 0.100 8 9.4 4200 3800 -400 -0.095 380 3420 -780 -0.186 9 9.2 6860 6376 -484 -0.071 638 5738 -1122 -0.163 10 9.4 2730 3355 625 0.229 336 3020 290 0.106 11 8.0 1925 2105 180 0.094 211 1895 -31 -0.016 12 9.4 4063 3968 -95 -0.023 397 3571 -492 -0.121 13 9.0 6600 6211 -389 -0.059 621 5590 -1010 -0.153 14 9.4 14400 18750 4350 0.302 1875 16875 2475 0.172 15 9.2 6300 8350 2050 0.325 835 7515 1215 0.193 16 9.6 6573 6889 316 0.048 689 6200 -373 -0.057 17 9.2 2400 2161 -239 -0.100 216 1945 -455 -0.190 18 9.8 16730 16750 20 0.001 1675 15075 -1655 -0.099 18 9.4 2032 2250 218 0.107 225 2025 -7 -0.003 19 9.6 2078 1900 -178 -0.086 190 1710 -368 -0.177 20 9.4 5655 8988 3333 0.589 899 8089 2434 0.430 21 9.4 2600 4351 1751 0.673 435 3916 1316 0.506 22 9.4 2500 2100 -400 -0.160 210 1890 -610 -0.244 23 9.2 1500 1620 120 0.080 162 1458 -42 -0.028 24 9.2 760 1125 365 0.480 113 1013 253 0.332 25 9.4 2200 1955 -245 -0.111 196 1760 -441 -0.200 25 9.2 1240 1325 85 -0.193 133 1193 -48 -0.038 26 9.6 2269 2351 82 0.009 235 2116 -153 -0.067 26 9.2 726 1128 402 0.554 113 1015 289 0.398 27 9.4 1920 1751 -169 -0.088 175 1576 -344 -0.179 28 9.2 5325 8050 2725 0.512 805 7245 1920 0.361 28 9.0 3300 4602 1302 0.395 460 4142 842 0.255 29 9.6 3107 2911 -196 -0.063 291 2620 -487 -0.157 30 9.2 660 757 97 0.147 76 681 21 0.032 31 9.2 2650 3200 550 0.208 320 2880 230 0.087 32 9.2 562 570 8 0.014 57 513 -49 -0.087 33 9.6 1535 1511 -24 -0.016 151 1360 -175 -0.114 34 9.6 1920 2401 481 0.251 240 2161 241 0.125 35 9.2 575 502 -73 -0.127 50 452 -123 -0.214 36 9.8 6573 10602 4029 0.613 1060 9542 2969 0.452 37 9.6 3840 3524 -316 -0.082 352 3172 -668 -0.174 37 9.2 930 951 21 0.023 95 856 -74 -0.080 38 9.8 2250 7510 5260 2.338 751 6759 4509 2.004 38 9.6 2250 1771 -479 -0.213 177 1594 -656 -0.292 39 9.6 7200 6968 -232 -0.032 697 6271 -929 -0.129 39 9.4 4100 3233 -867 -0.211 323 2910 -1190 -0.290 40 9.4 2640 3152 512 0.194 315 2837 197 0.075 41 9.4 3150 6100 2950 -0.062 610 5809 2659 0.844 42 9.4 1900 1975 75 0.051 198 1778 -123 0.011 43 9.2 600 650 50 0.083 65 585 -15 -0.025 44 9.2 820 884 64 0.078 88 796 -24 -0.030 45 9.6 1035 876 -159 -0.154 88 788 -247 -0.238 46 9.4 1110 1712 602 0.542 171 1541 431 0.388 49 9.4 500 550 50 0.100 55 495 -5 -0.010 50 9.2 5040 5101 61 0.012 510 4591 -449 -0.089 461025 46103 8508 0.018 F For Fake, bc, silverseeker and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanheart Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) I will concur that a lot of markets (as well as comics) are actually becoming seller markets during the pandemic. It might seem counter-intuitive but it seems to be the case. Edited August 27, 2020 by romanheart littledoom and snitzer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood1892 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) On 8/22/2020 at 7:10 AM, comicginger1789 said: Agreed! To all you Yanks, us Hosers are fine paying for it! You can track stuff and if we get but with customs, that’s on the buyer. It doesn’t even take that long anymore, couple weeks, same as usual. I've noticed that sometimes key books in Canada sell for more then the same copy/grade in the U.S I especially remember a recent ASM 15 I ended up buying from My Comic Shop a full grade point higher then someone was selling here in Canada and I messaged the guy in Canada offering him what I deemed was FMV and he went into a tirade about my age and experience and if I'd ever bought a comic before, it was a very embarrassing experience for me...that being said I am happy with the book from My Comic Shop and I think I only paid $64 in duty charges which I was able to do online without slowing up the process...there are a few really good dealers in Canada but when they don't have what you want then buy American Edited August 28, 2020 by Hollywood1892 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...