DanCooper Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, grapeape said: Was this John Romita? I think it was I think Carl Burgos Edited February 5, 2021 by DanCooper grapeape and comicnoir 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, DanCooper said: I think Carl Burgos Another artistic genius đź‘Ť maybe John worked on the interior pages. Great points DanCooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 3:40 PM, grapeape said: Where did this piece wind up? Did Albert Moy own it? if it came up again for sale it would be fun to see how much it would fetch. Would love more provenance details to understand the original owner acquiring it and how? And it “sold” for $6k previously then comes up for this auction with estimate 2k-6K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicnoir Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Didn't Manning have a flood that destroyed a lot of inventory that was left out over the weekend, thus ending his business? Ha came in and scooped up the remains. grapeape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanCooper Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 hours ago, comicnoir said: Didn't Manning have a flood that destroyed a lot of inventory In this previous CGC thread, a couple of board members discuss some Mile Highs ruined in the flood. One member reached out to Bill Hughes, but Bill could not provide details on which issues were affected: Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Â From Alter - Ego #6 1963-64 apparently. Â It would seem that Ditko was a regular "contributor" to fanzines during the '63 - '65 period. Â Very cool piece. grapeape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 7:09 PM, tth2 said: "Whatever happened to Greg Manning Auctions?" They were bought out by Heritage.  News to me. I heard that they were unsatisfied with the results of the comic book unit and shut it down. grapeape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 Kirby and Wood yeah man!!! Take a minute to study what Mac Raboy does with Flash Gordon. I had a great page and let it go. A woman came into a comic store in Vegas 1999 and sold six pieces to the owner. I bought a fantastic Sunday from him by Raboy. In person maybe the best artwork I’ve ever studied. Rick2you2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 5 hours ago, adamstrange said: On 2/4/2021 at 8:09 AM, tth2 said: "Whatever happened to Greg Manning Auctions?" They were bought out by Heritage.  News to me. I heard that they were unsatisfied with the results of the comic book unit and shut it down. Could’ve sworn that Heritage bought out their customer lists. if not, it’s pretty remarkable how one day I was bidding on GMAI auctions and then the next day I was suddenly on Heritage’s mailing lists. grapeape and Unca Ben 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggy Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 25 minutes ago, tth2 said: Could’ve sworn that Heritage bought out their customer lists. if not, it’s pretty remarkable how one day I was bidding on GMAI auctions and then the next day I was suddenly on Heritage’s mailing lists. I'm pretty sure that Heritage bought out Bill Hughes' list that was probably provided to GMAI auctions. I never dealt with Greg Manning but was on Bill Hughes' mailing list. I started getting the Heritage catalogs once Greg Manning stopped doing them. I was reading up on them and I totally forgot that they bought out Mark Wilson's comics and Disney assets. tth2 and grapeape 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, greggy said: I started getting the Heritage catalogs once Greg Manning stopped doing them. Exactly. greggy, Unca Ben and comicnoir 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 8 hours ago, tth2 said: Could’ve sworn that Heritage bought out their customer lists. if not, it’s pretty remarkable how one day I was bidding on GMAI auctions and then the next day I was suddenly on Heritage’s mailing lists. There are alternatives as to how that happened without Heritage buying them out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 11 hours ago, tth2 said: Could’ve sworn that Heritage bought out their customer lists. I wasn't sure, I've been on everybody's lists since the beginning, but sounds probable based on your experience. 11 hours ago, greggy said: I was reading up on them and I totally forgot that they bought out Mark Wilson's comics and Disney assets. Having an interest (at the time) in all those Ken Kelly 1978 REH calendar paintings that were with FPG (Michael Friedlander), then Mark (Wilson, so horribly overpriced), and then dispersed in many ways...it was fun to follow them over a ten year period. Most eventually ended up with Heritage and sold for a fraction of Mark's catalog prices six or seven years before! I think a fair amount of the original art Bill Hughes was bringing in to Manning ended up going through Mastronet (Bill Mastro, scandal!) a few years later. IIRC BH was listed as a consultant or similar in those catalogs? Could be wrong on that, catalogs not handy, so working off nearly 20 year old memory  grapeape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comiconxion Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 9:16 PM, grapeape said: Where did this piece wind up? Did Albert Moy own it? if it came up again for sale it would be fun to see how much it would fetch. Would love more provenance details to understand the original owner acquiring it and how? And it “sold” for $6k previously then comes up for this auction with estimate 2k-6K? I actually was the person who surfaced this piece in the mid-90's. It was owned for many years by a collector who ran a Fanzine publication, but was also selling off his original art at a local Washington DC show. I bought out most of the art he was selling at the shows so he invited me over to his house. In his personal collection, he owned this Ditko piece along with an amazing Spidey vs. Goblin page from ASM #23. I really wanted the ASM #23 page, but he wouldn't sell it to me (as he wasn't ready to part with it), but as a consolation he sold me this one. Despite me telling him I'd pay whatever price he wanted when the time was right, he later sold that ASM #23 page to another collector - shows that being patient doesn't always pay off. I think I paid around $200-300 for this piece when I bought it - he did give me a great deal on it.  Circa 1995-6, I talked to Mike Burkey for the first time and mentioned I had this piece. Every time I talked with him, he always tried to get this out of me - and eventually it worked (hey Mike's a nice guy). Still in my learning stages, I didn't realize how rare something like this actually was and the figures seemed more cartoony than I wanted from a Ditko example. Plus, it was folded in quarters and had a light cigarette stain on it the border. I wasn't sure something like this could be restored (but, even by the time of this auction it looks like they cleaned it up).  I assume Burkey had sold it before this auction or consigned it himself.  Will it come up for sale again? I doubt it... I know where it landed and it's well-loved. But, great to see it again here and re-live those early days of collecting art. Twanj and grapeape 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 Wow  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, grapeape said: Wow  I'm pretty sure that was a Conrad Eschenberg consignment. I remember him having it at a show in the late 1990s, iirc priced closer to the 3 than the 4 number above. grapeape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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grapeape Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, grapeape said: This may also have been a consignment from Conrad. He’s the only one I knew between 97-2000 actively showing FF 5 pages. He also had a page where the FF were working around crocodiles for $7K ask in that 1997 catalog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr.Burns2 Posted November 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2023 I know this is an old post, but I happened to stumble across it and can provide some clarity to the original topic since I used to work for the company.  GMA started the comic sales after bringing in Bill Hughes.  After a while, Hughes had a dispute over compensation and shortly thereafter he left for Heritage, believing that the comic division would fold without him.  (There were only a couple of other dedicated employees for the division, with assistance from the sports card & collectibles, stamp, and general overall staff at the NJ facility pitching in for cataloging and the physical auction.)  Instead, the upcoming auction proceeded on schedule with one of the other product experts learning to grade and describe comics over a weekend (they had a well-rounded background in antiques, autographs, sports cards & memorabilia, movie posters, coins, and stamps already).  Before the sale went into catalog production, Heritage opted to buy out the inventory, mailing lists, and the descriptions/photos, which I believe became a significant portion of their first comic auction after Hughes’ arrival.  That was the end of comics at GMA.  They continued on as the 3rd largest auctioneer of stamps in the world (behind Sotheby’s & Christie’s), as well as a major seller of Sports Cards & Collectibles, a huge player in coins under subsidiary companies, as well as other areas, for many years afterwards.  The company was delisted from NASDAQ after legal issues regarding alleged malfeasance between the company and the majority shareholder, AFINSA, of Spain.  Not long after that, the company as it was constituted at the time was essentially no more.  In regards to the flood that another user mentioned, that was caused by negligence on the part of the golf course behind the GMA facility.  A large amount of wood chips were dumped on the back of their property before a massive rainstorm.  They came down the hill, clogging the storm drains behind the GMA building and flooding most of it with about 6 inches of water under the loading bays.  Most of the inventory losses in terms of value were stamps, a massive linen-backed King Kong movie poster (billboard size!), sports memorabilia, and comic art.  From my recollection, very few comic books were lost, maybe 5 to 6 boxes of silver age.  As a side note, Manning himself and principles from AFINSA actually sued various brokerages claiming that the losses of the company, and therefore losses suffered personally, were the result of naked short-selling - as opposed to any alleged improprieties.  I believe the case is still pending, but part of it actually went to the Supreme Court!  Something about the right to sue in state vs federal court.  You can search it Manning v. Merril Lynch et al, if I’m not mistaken.  They teach it in law schools.  Wild. comicnoir, Rick2you2, Drummy and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...