Slyde Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I assumed staining, but not sure. There is a section that is totally clear. Also curious how this would impact overall grade, assuming the rest of the book was in the 4.5-5.0 range before taking the back into account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, Slyde said: I assumed staining, but not sure. There is a section that is totally clear. Also curious how this would impact overall grade, assuming the rest of the book was in the 4.5-5.0 range before taking the back into account? It's staining since we see where the stain originates and the spread. Foxing wouldn't have darker central spots like that. And regardless of the grade it would be, this would become the biggest defect and take the comic down to wherever this kind of staining would be acceptable. I would say the book could land anywhere between the 2.0-3.0 range. Slyde and KCOComics 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Stains. The grade's gonna hurt. KCOComics and Slyde 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelmaniac Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I am not an expert on this subject by any means and cannot make a judgment on this just be seeing the back cover. From all of the pics I have seen that appears to be foxing which is brown and spreads across the entire area, mold may be darker and usually starts on the outer edges and spine, if it is mold it will spread if not contained. Does the book have a smell to it? Is there any signs of moisture/water damage? (Rusted staples, waviness/wrinkles on the cover/pages. water stains on the interior pages) What do the interior pages and inside cover look like? Is any of it spreading to the front cover by the edges/spine? https://www.abaa.org/glossary/entry/foxing This is an illustration of mold... Slyde 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slyde Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, marvelmaniac said: I am not an expert on this subject by any means and cannot make a judgment on this just be seeing the back cover. From all of the pics I have seen that appears to be foxing which is brown and spreads across the entire area, mold may be darker and usually starts on the outer edges and spine, if it is mold it will spread if not contained. Does the book have a smell to it? Is there any signs of moisture/water damage? (Rusted staples, waviness/wrinkles on the cover/pages. water stains on the interior pages) What do the interior pages and inside cover look like? Is any of it spreading to the front cover by the edges/spine? https://www.abaa.org/glossary/entry/foxing This is an illustration of mold... From what I can see in pictures, I don't see any other signs of moisture damage. The front cover has no staining. Here is a pic of the inside of the back cover: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelmaniac Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) Again, I am no expert... The part that has me baffled is what type of stain would that be that did bleed through the rear cover but did not bleed through to the back page? FOXING "This is an antiquing term. Foxing, basically, is a reddish-brown stain that can form on old paper. Most collectors agree it’s mold, and the term “foxing” comes from the color. There’s another theory that foxing is caused by the oxidation of iron or copper in the makeup of the pages. It’s also believed that humidity can contribute to foxing, whether it’s oxidation or mold." EXAMPLES OF FOXING Edited March 18, 2021 by marvelmaniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qalyar Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, marvelmaniac said: "This is an antiquing term. Foxing, basically, is a reddish-brown stain that can form on old paper. Most collectors agree it’s mold, and the term “foxing” comes from the color. There’s another theory that foxing is caused by the oxidation of iron or copper in the makeup of the pages. It’s also believed that humidity can contribute to foxing, whether it’s oxidation or mold." As of circa 2010, scientific research on the topic has mostly settled on the idea that foxing is microbial-mediated cellulose oxidation, with a half-dozen or so type of fungi implicated as potential biological catalysts, as well as a couple of bacteria species. Foxing discoloration appears to result from a somewhat different chemical process than normal "mold" pigmentation, and it's probably less destructive to paper integrity. But it's still not a good thing to have happen to your book. In the interests of accuracy, oxidation of metal content in the paper is an alternative cause of foxing, but only in some fairly specific paper types; that's not where comic book foxing comes from. The Lions Den and Muno42 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 On 3/17/2021 at 11:28 AM, Slyde said: I assumed staining, but not sure. There is a section that is totally clear. Also curious how this would impact overall grade, assuming the rest of the book was in the 4.5-5.0 range before taking the back into account? This actually reminds me of how coffee grounds look when splattered onto a surface... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Pontoon Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 42 minutes ago, The Lions Den said: This actually reminds me of how coffee grounds look when splattered onto a surface... And it looks like something roughly the size of a 2 x 4 was lying on the book when the spillage occurred. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Pontoon said: And it looks like something roughly the size of a 2 x 4 was lying on the book when the spillage occurred. yeah, that outline tells us that it's not foxing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, William-James88 said: yeah, that outline tells us that it's not foxing I'm thinking Maxwell House Dark Roast... William-James88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood1892 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 hours ago, marvelmaniac said: Again, I am no expert... The part that has me baffled is what type of stain would that be that did bleed through the rear cover but did not bleed through to the back page? FOXING "This is an antiquing term. Foxing, basically, is a reddish-brown stain that can form on old paper. Most collectors agree it’s mold, and the term “foxing” comes from the color. There’s another theory that foxing is caused by the oxidation of iron or copper in the makeup of the pages. It’s also believed that humidity can contribute to foxing, whether it’s oxidation or mold." EXAMPLES OF FOXING So this is not foxing? marvelmaniac and The Lions Den 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
