Funnybooks Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Overstreet Grading Definitions: 10.0 GEM MINT (GM): An exceptional example of a given book – the best ever seen. Only the slightest bindery or printing defects are allowed. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity. Corners are cut square and sharp. Spine is tight and flat. Staples must be original, centered and clean with no rust. Paper is white, supple and fresh. No interior autographs or owner signatures. 9.9 MINT (MT): Near perfect in every way. Only subtle bindery or printing defects are allowed. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity and minimal fading. Corners are cut square and sharp. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Spine is tight and flat. Staples must be original, generally centered and clean with no rust. Paper is white, supple and fresh. 9.8 NEAR MINT/MINT (NM/MT): Nearly perfect in every way with only minor imperfections that keep it from the next higher grade. Only subtle bindery or printing defects are allowed. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity and minimal fading. Corners are cut square and sharp. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Spine is tight and flat. Staples must be original, generally centered and clean with no rust. Paper is white, supple and fresh. Only the slightest interior tears are allowed. 9.6 NEAR MINT+ (NM+): Nearly perfect with a minor additional virtue or virtues that raise it from Near Mint. Only subtle bindery or printing defects are allowed. No bindery tears are allowed, although on Golden Age books bindery tears of up to 1/8″ have been noted. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity and a minimum of fading. One corner may be almost imperceptibly blunted, but still almost sharp and cut square. Almost imperceptible indentations are permissible, but no creases, bends, or color break. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Spine is tight and flat. Staples must be original, generally centered, with only the slightest discoloration. Paper is off-white, supple and fresh. Only the slightest interior tears are allowed. 9.4 NEAR MINT (NM): Nearly perfect with only minor imperfections that keep it from the next higher grade. Subtle bindery/printing defects are allowed. Bindery tears must be less than 1/16″ on Silver Age and later books, although on Golden Age books bindery tears of up to 1/4″ have been noted. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity and a minimum of fading. Corners are cut square and sharp with ever-so-slight blunting permitted. A 1/16″ bend is permitted with no color break. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Slight foxing. Spine is tight and flat. Staples are generally centered; may have slight discoloration. Almost no stress lines. Paper is off-white to cream, supple and fresh. Slight interior tears are allowed. 9.2 NEAR MINT- (NM-): Nearly perfect with only a minor additional defect or defects that keep it from Near Mint. A limited number of minor bindery/printing defects are allowed. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with only the slightest dimming of reflectivity. Corners are cut square and sharp with ever-so-slight blunting permitted. A 1/16-1/8″ bend is permitted with no color break. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Slight foxing. Spine is tight and flat. Staples may show some discoloration. Almost no stress lines. Paper is off-white to cream, supple and fresh. Slight interior tears are allowed. 9.0 VERY FINE/NEAR MINT (VF/NM): Nearly perfect with outstanding eye appeal. A limited number of bindery/printing defects are allowed. Cover is almost flat with almost imperceptible wear. Inks are bright with slightly diminished reflectivity. An 1/8″ bend is allowed if color is not broken. Corners are cut square and sharp with ever-so-slight blunting permitted but no creases. Several lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable. Very minor foxing. Spine is tight and flat. Staples may show some discoloration. Only the slightest staple tears are allowed. A very minor accumulation of stress lines may be present if they are nearly imperceptible. Paper is off-white to cream and supple. Very minor interior tears may be present. 8.5 VERY FINE+ (VF+): Fits the criteria for Very Fine but with an additional virtue or small accumulation of virtues that improves the book’s appearance by a perceptible amount. 8.0 VERY FINE (VF): An excellent copy with outstanding eye appeal. A limited accumulation of minor bindery/printing defects is allowed. Cover is relatively flat with minimal surface wear beginning to show, possibly including some minute wear at corners. Inks are generally bright with moderate to high reflectivity. An unnoticeable 1/4″ crease is acceptable if color is not broken. Stamped or inked arrival dates may be present. Minor foxing. Spine is almost completely flat with a possible minor color break. Staples may show some discoloration. Very slight staple tears and a few almost insignificant stress lines may be present. Paper is cream to tan and supple. Centerfold is mostly secure. Minor interior tears at the margin may be present. 7.5 VERY FINE- (VF-): Fits the criteria for Very Fine but with an additional defect or small accumulation of defects that detracts from the book’s appearance by a perceptible amount. 7.0 FINE/VERY FINE (FN/VF): An above-average copy that shows minor wear but is still relatively flat and clean with outstanding eye appeal. A small accumulation of minor bindery/printing defects is allowed. Minor cover wear beginning to show, possibly including minor creases. Corners may be blunted. Inks are generally bright with a moderate reduction in reflectivity. Stamped or inked arrival dates may be present. Minor foxing. The slightest spine roll may be present, as well as a possible moderate color break. Staples may show some discoloration. Slight staple tears and a small accumulation of light stress lines may be present. Slight rust migration. Paper is cream to tan. Centerfold is mostly secure. Minor interior tears at the margin may be present. 6.5 FINE+ (FN+): Fits the criteria for Fine but with an additional virtue or small accumulation of virtues that improves the book’s appearance by a perceptible amount. 6.0 FINE (FN): An above-average copy that shows minor wear but is still relatively flat and clean with no significant creasing or other serious defects. Some accumulation of minor bindery/printing defects is allowed. Minor cover wear apparent, with minor to moderate creases. Inks show a significant reduction in reflectivity. Blunted corners are more common, as is minor staining, soiling, discoloration, and/or foxing. Stamped or inked arrival dates may be present. A minor spine roll is allowed. There can also be a 1/4″ spine split or severe color break. Staples may show minor discoloration. Minor staple tears and a few slight stress lines may be present, as well as minor rust migration. Paper is tan to brown and fairly supple with no signs of brittleness. Minor interior tears at the margin may be present. Centerfold may be loose. 5.5 FINE- (FN-): Fits the criteria for Fine but with an additional defect or small accumulation of defects that detracts from the book’s appearance by a perceptible amount. 5.0 VERY GOOD/FINE (VG/FN): An above-average but well used comic book. An accumulation of bindery/printing defects is allowed. Minor to moderate cover wear apparent, with minor to moderate creases and/or dimples. Inks have moderate to low reflectivity. Blunted corners are increasingly common, as is minor to moderate staining, discoloration, and/or foxing. Stamped or inked arrival dates may be present. A minor to moderate spine roll is allowed. A spine split of up to 1/2″ may be present. Staples may show minor discoloration. Minor staple tears and minor stress lines may also be present, as well as minor rust migration. Paper is tan to brown with no signs of brittleness. Centerfold may be loose. Minor interior tears may also be present. 4.5 VERY GOOD+ (VG): Fits the criteria for Very Good but with an additional virtue or small accumulation of virtues that improves the book’s appearance by a perceptible amount. 4.0 VERY GOOD (VG): The average used comic book. Cover shows moderate to significant wear, and may be loose but not completely detached. Cover reflectivity is low. Can have moderate creases or dimples. Corners may be blunted. Store stamps, name stamps, arrival dates, initials, etc. have no effect on this grade. Some discoloration, fading, foxing, and even minor soiling is allowed. As much as a 1/4″ triangle can be missing out of the corner or edge; a missing 1/8″ square is also acceptable. Only minor unobtrusive tape and other amateur repair allowed on otherwise high grade copies. Moderate spine roll may be present and/or a 1″ spine split. Staples may be discolored. Minor to moderate staple tears and stress lines may be present, as well as some rust migration. Paper is brown but not brittle. Minor to moderate interior tears may be present. Centerfold may be loose or detached at one staple. 3.5 VERY GOOD- (VG-): Fits the criteria for Very Good but with an additional defect or small accumulation of defects that detracts from the book’s appearance by a perceptible amount. 3.0 GOOD/VERY GOOD (GD/VG): A used comic book showing some substantial wear. Cover shows significant wear, and may be loose or even detached at one staple. Cover reflectivity is very low. Can have a book-length crease and/or dimples. Corners may be blunted or even rounded. Discoloration, fading, foxing, and even minor to moderate soiling is allowed. A triangle from 1/4″ to 1/2″ can be missing out of the corner or edge; a missing 1/8″ to 1/4″ square is also acceptable. Tape and other amateur repair may be present. Moderate spine roll likely. May have a spine split of anywhere from 1″ to 1-1/2″. Staples may be rusted or replaced. Minor to moderate staple tears and moderate stress lines may be present, as well as some rust migration. Paper is brown but not brittle. Centerfold may be loose or detached at one staple. Minor to moderate interior tears may be present. 2.5 GOOD+ (GD+): Fits the criteria for Good but with an additional virtue or small accumulation of virtues that improves the book’s appearance by a perceptible amount. 2.0 GOOD (GD): Shows substantial wear; often considered a “reading copy.” Cover shows significant wear and may even be detached. Cover reflectivity is low and in some cases completely absent. Book-length creases and dimples may be present. Rounded corners are more common. Moderate soiling, staining, discoloration and foxing may be present. The largest piece allowed missing from the front or back cover is usually a 1/2″ triangle or a 1/4″ square, although some Silver Age books such as 1960s Marvels have had the price corner box clipped from the top left front cover and may be considered Good if they would otherwise have graded higher. Tape and other forms of amateur repair are common in Silver Age and older books. Spine roll is likely. May have up to a 2″ spine split. Staples may be degraded, replaced or missing. Moderate staple tears and stress lines may be present, as well as rust migration. Paper is brown but not brittle. Centerfold may be loose or detached. Moderate interior tears may be present. 1.8 GOOD- (GD-): Fits the criteria for Good but with an additional defect or small accumulation of defects that detracts from the book’s appearance by a perceptible amount. 1.5 FAIR/GOOD (FR/GD): Shows substantial to heavy wear. Books in this grade are commonly creased, scuffed, abraded, soiled, and possibly unattractive, but still generally readable. Cover shows considerable wear and may be detached. Almost no cover reflectivity remaining. Book-length creases, tears and folds may be present. Rounded corners are increasingly common. Soiling, staining, discoloration and foxing is generally present. Up to 1/10 of the back cover may be missing. Tape and other forms of amateur repair are increasingly common in Silver Age and older books. Spine roll is common. May have a spine split between 2″ and 2/3 the length of the book. Staples may be degraded, replaced or missing. Staple tears and stress lines are common, as well as rust migration. Paper is brown and may show brittleness around the edges. Acidic odor may be present. Centerfold may be loose or detached. Interior tears are common. 1.0 FAIR (FR): Shows heavy wear. Some collectors consider this the lowest collectible grade because comic books in lesser condition are usually incomplete and/or brittle. Cover may be detached, and inks have lost all reflectivity. Creases, tears and/or folds are prevalent. Corners are commonly rounded or absent. Soiling and staining is present. Books in this condition generally have all pages and most of the covers, although there may be up to 1/4 of the front cover missing or no back cover, but not both. Tape and other forms of amateur repair are more common. Spine roll is more common; spine split can extend up to 2/3 the length of the book. Staples may be missing or show rust and discoloration. An accumulation of staple tears and stress lines may be present, as well as rust migration. Paper is brown and may show brittleness around the edges but not in the central portion of the pages. Acidic odor may be present. Accumulation of interior tears. Chunks may be missing. The centerfold may be missing if readability is generally preserved. Coupons may be cut. 0.5 POOR (PR): Sufficiently degraded to the point where there is little or no collector value; easily identified by a complete absence of eye appeal. Brittle almost to the point of turning to dust with a touch, and usually incomplete. Extreme fading may render the cover almost indiscernible. May have extremely severe stains, mildew or heavy cover abrasion to the point that some cover inks are indistinct/absent. Covers may be detached with large chunks missing. Can have extremely ragged edges and extensive creasing. Corners are rounded or virtually absent. Covers may have been defaced with paints, varnishes, glues, oil, indelible markers or dyes, and may have suffered heavy water damage. Can also have extensive amateur repairs such as laminated covers. Extreme spine roll present; can have extremely ragged spines or a complete, book-length split. Staples can be missing or show extreme rust and discoloration. Extensive staple tears and stress lines may be present, as well as extreme rust migration. Paper exhibits moderate to severe brittleness (where the comic book literally falls apart when examined). Extreme acidic odor may be present. Extensive interior tears. Multiple pages, including the centerfold, may be missing that affect readability. Coupons may be cut. 0.1 TO 0.3 INCOMPLETE (INC): Books that are coverless but are otherwise complete as well as complete covers with no interior receive a grade of 0.3 (Incomplete). Coverless books with incomplete interiors, single pages, wraps and partial covers (front or back) receive a grade of 0.1 (Incomplete) Point Five and grendelbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Five Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Appreciate the tag! But my esteemed colleagues have covered this so thoroughly already, the only thing left for me to contribute is this gif of a dog riding a tortoise. Funnybooks, grendelbo, DR.X and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I should've woken up earlier. Funnybooks, DR.X, Mojohand and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.X Posted April 13, 2022 Author Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 8:07 AM, zzutak said: On 4/12/2022 at 10:34 PM, DR.X said: I don't think you can have different grade deductions for structurally different books. Doc! This is 100% contrary to all grading rubrics developed for comics. No grading scheme I'm aware of assigns a fixed grade/point deduction for a particular defect. The mantra has always been 'the more otherwise perfect the book, the more significant the deduction for a particular defect." Okay, maybe I need to reword what I said. I was making an " assumption " I guess that the point deduction for detached centerfold " might " carry the same point deduction value regardless of the quality of the book, without the detached center fold. Obviously, by the examples show here, I was dead wrong. Anyway, I learned something in this discussion. Thanks for all the input. Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.X Posted April 13, 2022 Author Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) Okay folks, one more question. Can this book gain Golden Age status if I pop it back together with one staple in the middle. Edited April 13, 2022 by DR.X Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) On 4/13/2022 at 6:40 AM, DR.X said: Thanks for all the input. And thank you for posing the question in the first place. This is definitely one of the more interesting threads I've posted to lately. Edited April 13, 2022 by zzutak grendelbo, Funnybooks and DR.X 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnybooks Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 9:47 AM, DR.X said: Okay folks, one more question. Can this book gain Golden Age status if I pop it back together with one staple in the middle. be sure to use non-archival staple or it will come back purple DR.X 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen130 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Looks like I’m late to the party… I will go 5.5 with the detached CF. I’ve voiced my opinion of CGC a lot the past 12 months or so, but I have little experience with comics graded that have detached pieces. Everything stated here thus far makes sense because you guys rock. Now, where’s my cookie, dang it!! CGC vs. Overstreet grading criteria is an individual choice. Here’s what I think of THAT whole conundrum… Funnybooks and grendelbo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.X Posted April 13, 2022 Author Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 9:05 AM, Funnybooks said: On 4/13/2022 at 8:47 AM, DR.X said: Okay folks, one more question. Can this book gain Golden Age status if I pop it back together with one staple in the middle. Expand be sure to use non-archival staple or it will come back purple I've got some old model railroad weathering paint that looks like rust. I'll touch it up for that rustic look. Galen130 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen130 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 7:47 AM, DR.X said: Okay folks, one more question. Can this book gain Golden Age status if I pop it back together with one staple in the middle. Sure… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen130 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) On 4/13/2022 at 8:05 AM, Funnybooks said: be sure to use non-archival staple or it will come back purple The staple, or the comic??? Edited April 13, 2022 by Galen130 marvelmaniac and Funnybooks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelmaniac Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I agree with your original assessment of a VG/FN 5.0 - FN- 5.5 without the completely detached centerfold, however, I do not agree with statements that say the detached centerfold in this grade range does not affect the grade. The grading standards specifically state... GD 2.0 "Centerfold may be Loose or Completely Detached" GD/VG 3.0 "Centerfold may be Loose or Detached at One Staple." VG/FN 5.0 "Centerfold may be Loose." Knowing this, a book that would otherwise grade higher has to take a hit for a completely detached centerfold. I do not have my books graded so this is all speculation on my part, nobody knows what CGC's grading standards are, I have read numerous threads on this site detailing/discussing CGC's inconsistency in grading from one point in time to another and what they are now being lenient on regardless of what the "available" grading standards (Overstreet, Heritage) state. Having said all of that, IMO this book with a detached centerfold should grade at a VG 4.0 Max. All adding staples or having the centerfold reattached is going to do is eliminate a Blue Label, for a book that is relatively inexpensive I would just leave it and enjoy the book as is. DR.X, Funnybooks, Axe Elf and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.X Posted April 13, 2022 Author Share Posted April 13, 2022 This pic with the staple gun is a joke. I would never mutilate a book with such an atrocity. LOL. I'll leave that to the likes of Cupcake Danny. Galen130 and Funnybooks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen130 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 9:02 AM, DR.X said: This pic with the staple gun is a joke. I would never mutilate a book with such an atrocity. LOL. I'll leave that to the likes of Cupcake Danny. Yeah, we’re all on board with the joke. I almost choked on my coffee. It does remind us, though, that some people out there will do strange to a comic just to make an extra buck. CGC probably wouldn’t notice anyway… Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.X Posted April 13, 2022 Author Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 10:07 AM, Galen130 said: Yeah, we’re all on board with the joke. I almost choked on my coffee. It does remind us, though, that some people out there will do strange to a comic just to make an extra buck. CGC probably wouldn’t notice anyway… Sure they would. The books pass through 3 layers of inspection and quality control. I mean when a book is put it upside down, no one notices. Galen130 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen130 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 9:12 AM, DR.X said: Sure they would. The books pass through 3 layers of inspection and quality control. I mean when a book is put it upside down, no one notices. I stand corrected..🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Five Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) Off topic, but there's a hot pink splotch in the lower right. Is that color touch, or related to the splatter droplets around it, or some kind of production flaw? Edited April 13, 2022 by Point Five Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen130 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 10:49 AM, Point Five said: Off topic, but there's a hot pink splotch in the lower right. Is that color touch, or related to the splatter droplets around it, or some kind of production flaw? I saw that on a few other copies out there, so I went with production flaw myself. Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.X Posted April 13, 2022 Author Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) On 4/13/2022 at 11:49 AM, Point Five said: Off topic, but there's a hot pink splotch in the lower right. Is that color touch, or related to the splatter droplets around it, or some kind of production flaw? Point Five thanks for pointing this out. Here's what I see, and some pics to boot. I missed this. WTF. Glad you seen it. I was going to run a sales thread with a nice run of Astonish books, but I'm going to postpone it, until I look over the covers of all these copies, again to make sure. Thanks so much, and everyone else who chimed in here. It is obvious someone color touched that darker pink spot. Looks like droplets of some kind in that area also. I can actually scrape the color of some of the spots. As you can see in the pic of the inside, it's obvious the pink bled through and it was touched up with white. You can actually feel the lump of material where it was covered up. Like I said, I bought many of these books over 40 years ago. It goes to show people were doing this krap in there homes or alley's when no one was looking . I learned something here. Slow down and look a little closer. Point Five gets the no prize. Edited April 13, 2022 by DR.X grendelbo, Point Five and Funnybooks 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.X Posted April 13, 2022 Author Share Posted April 13, 2022 I need a good horse whipping. Have at it. Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...