Is this "orange" Devil Dinosaur #1 faded or color print error? 0

[JohnCarter1912]

Hello friends.

Is my devil dinosaur # 1 faded cover or color print error?

There is no red nor purple nor reddish-brown. The parts that should be purple are a dark blue and sometimes pink sprinkled in to give illusion of light purple.

What do you think?

Also, I saw someone else's copy of Devil Dinosaur on ebay... and where as it had purple tongue (which is the original color) the dinosaur was DARK ORANGE on cover and throughout the book!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185469544590?hash=item2b2ed8a88e%3Ag%3AK2UAAOSwlediribZ&nma=true&si=FDBn9qkPGacDLqxE0Rgc5xLE9rk%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

   

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 21, 2022 by JohnCarter1912

[KirbyTown]

Flip the book for your answer

[joeypost]

Fading. 

[shadroch]

Fading. What does the back cover look like? They were printed together.

[JohnCarter1912]

hello friends. There is no complete back cover, it is just sliver of cut or torn cover. Just the last page in comic can be seen.

Hence my confusion.I sent email to comicbook youtuber with large following and they said: "It looks to be about an 8.0 roughly. comics were printed using 4 color inks, blue, red, yellow, and black. It looks like the red layer of ink didn't get laid down. Its not common for this to happen, but also not uncommon"

I'm amazed that not only no red but no other color that relies on red can be seen.

So here is question: Can only ONE color fade?

 

Edited July 22, 2022 by JohnCarter1912

[shadroch]

Reds fade first and fade faster.  Without a back cover, it obviously isn't an 8.0.  I don't grade books without back covers.  They are just books with no back cover. A half a step above being coverless.  Your lack of a back cover makes any discussion of the front cover moot, except as a learning experiance.

Edited July 22, 2022 by shadroch

[JohnCarter1912]

Thank You friends.

On another CGC forum topic, user says that their CGC comic was graded as faded yellow, not print error... though at one point you can see clearly small amount of yellow on cover. My comic however has no red anywhere. By the way, if you can find another "Devil Dinosaur #1" whose cover looks like mine, I will retreat to my lair.

 

 

[joeypost]

On 7/22/2022 at 11:12 AM, JohnCarter1912 said:

Thank You friends.

On another CGC forum topic, user says that their CGC comic was graded as faded yellow, not print error... though at one point you can see clearly small amount of yellow on cover. My comic however has no red anywhere. By the way, if you can find another "Devil Dinosaur #1" whose cover looks like mine, I will retreat to my lair.

 

 

Put a copy of DD 1 that has really nice deep red colors in direct sunlight. Let us know what happens after a month or so. 

[Qalyar]

This is exactly what I would expect that book to look like with severe sun fade. Different colors of ink absolutely have different degrees of photosensitivity; for most comics, the red ink is by far the fastest to sun bleach.

So... you have a book with a badly sun-damaged front cover and no back cover. It is not a printer error. It is not an 8.0. It is, at best, an 0.5. Which is to say this is a reader copy with no collectible value. Sorry.

[KirbyTown]

On 7/22/2022 at 10:12 AM, JohnCarter1912 said:

By the way, if you can find another "Devil Dinosaur #1" whose cover looks like mine, I will retreat to my lair.

Not being mean, just want to say that there's really nothing to wait for. Even if it this were some kind of error, it's still a Devil Dinosaur #1. Was this publication yet another of the countless divine gifts manifested by the literal hand of the Gods? Yes. Does anyone care beyond that? Probably not.

Edited July 22, 2022 by KirbyTown

[JohnCarter1912]

 

Thank you friends. Forget about my comic.

In the ebay link I included in original post, would THIS then, be considered fading???

I will include pictures here. Keep in mind, purple tongue is visible, purple rocks are visible, but red is not visible, so how is purple tongue/rocks even possible if all red color faded?  Don't you need red to make purple? Also, did middle of the book fade too as Dinosaur is orange there too?

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185469544590?hash=item2b2ed8a88e%3Ag%3AK2UAAOSwlediribZ&nma=true&si=FDBn9qkPGacDLqxE0Rgc5xLE9rk%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

 

Edited July 22, 2022 by JohnCarter1912

[KirbyTown]

[JohnCarter1912]

On 7/22/2022 at 12:56 PM, Die On Christmas Radovan said:

Pulp comic books used Ben-Day dots in the four process colors (cyan, magenta, yellow, and black) to create secondary colors such as green, purple, orange, and flesh tones.

So you agree that this Ebay book is color print error?

The odds of something like this must be big... as dinosaur is NOT red on cover... nor throughout book.

 If front cover and back cover was printed at same time... but interior pages were printed separately. . how is Dinosaur NOT red throughout book?

If everyone is stating that the cover of book has no red because of fading... did every single interior page of comic also suffer fading... in sun... for hours?  

I hope you guys see point I was making since original post. I don't think color "fading" explanation can account for all issues

 

Edited July 22, 2022 by JohnCarter1912

[JohnCarter1912]

On 7/22/2022 at 1:11 PM, Die On Christmas Radovan said:

I don't give a  about this piece of carp. You don't seem to understand how comics are made so I tried to help a bit.

I think carp is a delicious fish

[Qalyar]

On 7/22/2022 at 11:32 AM, JohnCarter1912 said:

 

Thank you friends. Forget about my comic.

In the ebay link I included in original post, would THIS then, be considered fading???

I will include pictures here. Keep in mind, purple tongue is visible, purple rocks are visible, but red is not visible, so how is purple tongue/rocks even possible if all red color faded?  Don't you need red to make purple? Also, did middle of the book fade too as Dinosaur is orange there too?

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185469544590?hash=item2b2ed8a88e%3Ag%3AK2UAAOSwlediribZ&nma=true&si=FDBn9qkPGacDLqxE0Rgc5xLE9rk%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

 

There are a couple big things to keep in mind with this book, and, really, most comics.

First, generally speaking, comics are not exactly the products of precision manufacturing. The color mix may vary during the print run, for example. That's especially the case for some of the cheap publishers in the GA and SA. I swear, it's tough to find two Fiction House books that have matching colors at all. But it's really still true for 1978 Marvel books, like Devil Dinosaur #1. Now, in the world of stamp collecting, that could sometimes be a thing. There were (and probably are) specialist collectors who care about subtle variations (US Scott 11, just for example, is recognized in dull red, orange red, rose red, brownish carmine, claret, deep claret, plum, and pinkish). But postage stamps are held to a higher quality standard, if for no other reason than as an anti-counterfeiting measure. For comics, I'm confident that no one cares that some Devil Dinosaur #1s started out redder and some oranger, except to the extent that brighter colors generally have been eye appeal.

But the other thing to keep in mind is that some of the inks used on some books are really quite photosensitive. That's almost always the reds, although I want to say there are a few odd ducks early on that used different pigments. Regardless, in some cases, it really doesn't take very much sunlight exposure to begin to bleach a cover, or part of one. That's not a print variant; it's damage. If the color intensity on the front cover doesn't match the back cover, that's a clear tell that the book didn't start off looking that way.

On the other hand, the interior pages are typically printed separately from the covers. So you can have a cover with some production-related color issues, or with sun fade, or both, but have the interior brightly colored. Or not. Or whatever combination floats your fancy. None of that rises to the level of a collectible print variant.

Now, certainly, there are production errors that are recognized and valued. Spawn #1 with no black ink on cover. Avengers #10 where the yellow and magenta inks were applied to the wrong plates. Malibu Sun #13 with the yellow and black colors transposed for the back cover. And so forth. But some random '70s book being a little more or a little less red than another copy? There's no there there.

[JohnCarter1912]

On 7/22/2022 at 1:28 PM, Qalyar said:

Spawn #1 with no black ink on cover.

Thanks friends. Suppose there were only 2 copies of Spawn #1 on earth... with no black ink on cover... AND no black AT ALL throughout ALL the interior pages.

Would that be collectable? recognized? valued? Or would we say there is "no there, there?"

Don't we value Amazing Spider-Man #375 with WHITE printing error on cover MOSTLY because it is extremely rare? Right now it is going for $124,000 on ebay.

Keep in mind, Amazing Spider-Man #375 is not first appearance of Spider-Man nor first appearance of Venom... but Devil Dinosaur #1 has multiple first appearances and origin... yet some consider it "some random '70s book???"

(PS: No, I'm not comparing popularity of characters. Instead I am focused on rarity comparison of color printing errors.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/225081704138?hash=item3467ea3eca:g:KloAAOSwi7JhjC66

Edited July 22, 2022 by JohnCarter1912

[JohnCarter1912]

On 7/22/2022 at 1:33 PM, SweetTooth said:

You are correct, sometimes it's the Printer's fault:

SweetTooth makes excellent points. He knows his stuff.

[Qalyar]

On 7/22/2022 at 12:34 PM, SweetTooth said:

FF #110 is my favorite 

Yep, swapping magenta for cyan. Great cover, makes it look like a bunch of Skrulls were practicing their Fantastic Four impersonation efforts.

On 7/22/2022 at 12:40 PM, JohnCarter1912 said:

Thanks friends. Suppose there were only 2 copies of Spawn #1 on earth... with no black ink on cover... AND no black AT ALL throughout ALL the interior pages.

Would that be collectable? recognized? valued? Or would we say there is "no there, there?"

Don't we value Amazing Spider-Man #375 with WHITE printing error on cover MOSTLY because it is extremely rare? Right now it is going for $124,000 on ebay.

Keep in mind, Amazing Spider-Man #375 is not first appearance of Spider-Man nor first appearance of Venom... but Devil Dinosaur #1 has multiple first appearances and origin... yet some consider it "some random '70s book???"

https://www.ebay.com/itm/225081704138?hash=item3467ea3eca:g:KloAAOSwi7JhjC66

How the community handles very rare errors is ... not consistent. Some catch collectors' attention. Some do not. In general, the most consistently performing errors are those that are rare enough that demand outstrips supply but not so rare that collectors write them off as unobtainable. That one you posted? Well, I wish that guy luck with his sale. It's not worth that unless someone pays that price for it...

And again, I need to stress this. The color variations you're seeing in copies of Devil Dinosaur #1 are not errors; they're either well within the normal range of production variation, or else are post-production damage, depending on which particular copy we're talking about from those you've posted. Virtually every book from that time period has similar inconsistencies in color. That's why I said those sorts of things don't matter on a "random '70s book", because you can pick any of them and find things like this. Heck, go look at copies of Werewolf By Night #32, which is a fairly significant key issue these days. There's a considerable range of color to the bluish background. Some of them have better eye appeal than others. None of them are errors.

Neither are the Devil Dinosaurs.

[JohnCarter1912]

Thanks Qalyar

[ExNihilo]

On 7/22/2022 at 10:40 AM, JohnCarter1912 said:

Don't we value Amazing Spider-Man #375 with WHITE printing error on cover MOSTLY because it is extremely rare? Right now it is going for $124,000 on ebay.

Someone posted like a $10,000,000 eBay book once.  I think it was like a Stan Lee signed ASM300 or something like that.  That doesn't mean ASM300's are suddenly worth $10M.  At that price, the book isn't going anywhere, it's staying in the owners collection.  Like SweetTooth said, sold for price is the only one that matters