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[Domo Arigato]

On 9/9/2022 at 2:23 AM, jdandns said:

That might be the problem. We have seen this story before. I'd say in what comics (and movies), but I wouldn't want to give them any ideas if they haven't hit those yet. You can't possibly think this is something new. Besides the tired concept trope in the synopsis on the pledge page, even the way that blurb is written is an unfortunately large red flag, or is the basic expectation that proper grammar be used in ad material also something you resent and consider to be unfairly forced on creators?   

The old "we've all seen it everywhere, but I can't tell you where because it's a secret". 

Smart thinking.....better they learn the lesson on their own with only a few million to start off with. 

That way, you can use your billion dollar information to make yourself rich. 

And it looks like I had you pegged wrong from the beginning.......you're the grammer police.  Sorry about that, officer.

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Domo Arigato

[Domo Arigato]

On 9/9/2022 at 2:31 AM, jdandns said:

The amount of money invested in something guarantees very little. Movie studios regularly spend hundreds of millions of dollars on movies that turn out to be terrible. I would like to see some sample scripted pages from this book. 

Why........when it's so easy to judge it based on your inherent bias? 

 

[jdandns]

On 9/9/2022 at 12:34 AM, Domo Arigato said:

The old "we've all seen it everywhere, but I can't tell you where because it's a secret". 

Smart thinking.....better they learn the lesson on their own with only a few million to start off with. 

That way, you can use your billion dollar information to make yourself rich. 

And it looks like I had you pegged wrong from the beginning.......you're the grammer police.  Sorry about that, officer.

 

I'm the spelling police, too, since it's "grammar". No wonder you didn't notice how poorly the synopsis was written.

The people who ponied up the money are much more likely to end up being the side that learns the lesson. Let's see how much it ends up costing them before they do.

[Domo Arigato]

On 9/9/2022 at 4:39 AM, jdandns said:

I'm the spelling police, too, since it's "grammar". No wonder you didn't notice how poorly the synopsis was written.

The people who ponied up the money are much more likely to end up being the side that learns the lesson. Let's see how much it ends up costing them before they do.

You see, that's where you and I differ.  Because I realize that everyone makes grammar and spelling mistakes, so I don't make a habit of pointing them out.

Those that do, however, tend to be the pompous, self-righteous types.  So, even after I forgive their spelling and/or grammar mistakes...I'm still left talking to pompous, self-righteous individuals that are incapable of seeing their own massive faults.  Unfortunately, it's a burden I have to bear.

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Domo Arigato

[manetteska]

[Dr. Balls]

On 9/9/2022 at 12:29 AM, Domo Arigato said:

So how did you come up with the $84 per issue you stated?  

I think the answer is pretty obvious and that hate is clouding your judgement.  Sad. 

And yes, please put me on ignore so I don't have to worry about seeing any more of it.

 

 

The $84 per issue Namor is talking about is based on my previous post about the average sale vs total dollars raised. If the dollar amount is accurate, it means that each person would have had to spend an average of $84 per pledge to get to the goal. At the time I posted it, I had zero idea of what it was about or the controversy behind it. The math seemed very suspect in my opinion - that's all I was curious about.

Regardless of who-says-what-about-whichever-aggrieved-group, I just can't believe the craziness on both sides to poke the other in the eye with a stick when it comes to creating new comics. It's very sad, as story creativity seems to be being trumped by virtue signaling on both sides. I personally don't care who is or isn't represented in comic stories - I'm just there for a fantastic story or fictional superheroes. If I want to have stories about dogmatic, partisan realism I will turn on the news.

This is why I keep going back to re-reading X-Men 94-300. Chris Claremont has done more for diversity and racial understanding in comic books than every numbnut in the media combined. And he did it without rubbing our noses in it. That's masterful writing.

Edited September 9, 2022 by Dr. Balls

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 9/9/2022 at 2:13 AM, Domo Arigato said:

There's plenty of it going on in here. 

If he sells a lot.....it must be shills.......if there are racist posts.......it must be his own fans drawing up controversy.

The racism and bias on display in here is sad. 

 

No one in this thread has made any explicit or even implicit suggestion about race, until you started your trolling.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 9/9/2022 at 2:10 AM, jdandns said:

You haven't kicked in any more money in the meantime? How much in total? 

$35 bucks for a new comic is a lot of money. You could still get 10 regular Marvels for that. 

Or you could buy one of the Milestone Season One hardcovers, and you'll know that you're getting a complete story arc created by POC, and you'll have some money left over for another new comic book.

[Dr. Balls]

On 9/9/2022 at 8:37 AM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

  On 9/9/2022 at 12:13 AM, Domo Arigato said:

There's plenty of it going on in here. 

If he sells a lot.....it must be shills.......if there are racist posts.......it must be his own fans drawing up controversy.

The racism and bias on display in here is sad. 

 

On 9/9/2022 at 8:37 AM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

No one in this thread has made any explicit or even implicit suggestion about race, until you started your trolling.

The word 'racism' has been diluted to the point of uselessness. It's thrown out so easily, it doesn't even carry any weight anymore, thanks to those kinds of reactions that Domo suggests. There is a gigantic group of people that simply question motivations on both sides - that does not make them racist comments. This thread is talking about cost-per-book being questionable and the wondering about the ability of a new comic creator to make $3M from his first book.

Most of us here probably remember the days of the 90's where super-talented comic creators made money on initial releases of their flashy first issues only to never follow up with thier next issues because they got behind causing delays and loss of interest. You're only going to pull that over on longtime collectors once.

There's no racism here, just skepticism.

[Dr. Balls]

On 9/9/2022 at 8:46 AM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

Or you could buy one of the Milestone Season One hardcovers, and you'll know that you're getting a complete story arc created by POC, and you'll have some money left over for another new comic book.

I'd drop $35 on a book my friend produced. Anyone else, I'll be waiting for a few more issues.

[jdandns]

On 9/9/2022 at 7:01 AM, Dr. Balls said:

This is why I keep going back to re-reading X-Men 94-300. Chris Claremont has done more for diversity and racial understanding in comic books than every numbnut in the media combined. And he did it without rubbing our noses in it. That's masterful writing.

I started reading "X-Men" at about #165, and got the issues going back to #94 (well, #95 anyway) by the time the 200th issued was published. I bought and read it through Claremont's departure and enjoyed the run immensely, but I always felt Chris was pretty well out front with what he was doing the whole time in terms of hoping to encourage a more tolerant world through his plot-lines and characterization. I picked up on it early and often, and to its credit, it stays with me.

If those stories were written today, Chris would certainly be despised as part of the current problem, at least in the minds of these crowd-funded types who insist Marvel and DC are going out of business any day now for daring to address on social injustice in any way, even as those companies continue to combine to publish well over 100 new issues between them each month, along with commissioning scores of new art pieces for their variant covers. 

(It is not lost to me that Claremont has instead, like seemingly anyone who did any of their their work in a different time, ran into some trouble with the here overcompensating "other side". Ultimately, his work speaks for him, and it speaks well.)

[Dr. Balls]

On 9/9/2022 at 8:59 AM, jdandns said:

I started reading "X-Men" at about #165, and got the issues going back to #94 (well, #95 anyway) by the time the 200th issued was published. I bought and read it through Claremont's departure and enjoyed the run immensely, but I always felt Chris was pretty well out front with what he was doing the whole time in terms of hoping to encourage a more tolerant world through his plot-lines and characterization. I picked up on it early and often, and to its credit, it stays with me.

If those stories were written today, Chris would certainly be despised as part of the current problem, at least in the minds of these crowd-funded types who insist Marvel and DC are going out of business any day now for daring to address on social injustice in any way, even as those companies continue to combine to publish well over 100 new issues between them each month, along with commissioning scores of new art pieces for their variant covers. 

(It is not lost to me that Claremont has instead, like seemingly anyone who did any of their their work in a different time, ran into some trouble with the here overcompensating "other side". Ultimately, his work speaks for him, and it speaks well.)

My biggest take-away from Claremont's run on X-Men is that he spoke of the difficulties of those who were "different" in a unique, fictional way - allowing the reader to see and understand the side of the "different" people and come to their own conclusions, empathies and sympathies. To me, that's the ultimate form of creative expression - allowing others to come to the conclusion of your point on their own terms, in their own way, but without you hitting them over the head with it. I miss those days.

[Terry JSA]

On 9/8/2022 at 10:07 PM, Domo Arigato said:

Their privilege always rears its ugly head when they see a POC trying to be successful.

Sad. 

 

How ignorant could you possibly be? 

I’m black and clearly you don’t see the issue with Eric July. He’s associated with Comicsgate, a group of people that opposes diversity and progressivism in the comic book industry.

And when people see that he’s trying to confront these “woke agendas” by putting out his own comic, they’re gonna suspect something’s up. 

So my question is to you, how is that racist? 

[Prince Namor]

On 9/9/2022 at 11:26 AM, Dr. Balls said:

My biggest take-away from Claremont's run on X-Men is that he spoke of the difficulties of those who were "different" in a unique, fictional way - allowing the reader to see and understand the side of the "different" people and come to their own conclusions, empathies and sympathies. To me, that's the ultimate form of creative expression - allowing others to come to the conclusion of your point on their own terms, in their own way, but without you hitting them over the head with it. I miss those days.

There were things I liked and didn’t like about Claremont’s style, but geez it would be amazing if anyone who cared about the characters as much as he did and put as much into it as he did were writing for the Big Two today. That guy deserves more legendary status than he gets. 

[Dr. Balls]

Let me see if I have this right:

Eric July, who is associated with Comicsgate - the organization that is against diversity in comic books - created Isom.

Isom has made a huge amount of money on preorders in a crowd-funding project.

Others oppose the content and themes in Isom comics to the point that it's making news.

It seems to me that this is just people vocalizing their distaste for a particular book for their own reasons - justified or not. As I said above, the word 'racism' has become diluted, and is being used for non-racist scenarios. I don't see it as a race issue. People don't like the product he's created - granted, they are able to be vocal en massé about it - but shouldn't it really come down to who cares?

Wouldn't things be better if people just adhered to: Don't like it, don't buy it and move on with life? I don't understand the desire to live your life at an elevated sense of constant rage against perceived injustice. Is that constant state of anger worth the toll it takes on your mind and body? Rage against something you can only fight with words? Rage that could simply be assuaged and washed away by simply not buying or endorsing said product?

If a guy wants to create a comic from his cultural vantage point, is our society now going to dictate whether that's allowed or not? I am no more interested in a comic that is heavy-handed about being anti-woke than I am about one that is heavy-handed on being all-inclusive of every make and model of human being. I should be able to make that choice and buy neither if I want, but somewhere along the line - society felt that wasn't good enough and that we need to follow some sort of unwritten edicts about equality. Edicts that don't make any logical sense, since the definitions of that equality are not equal.

[Lord Gemini]

On 9/9/2022 at 1:51 PM, Dr. Balls said:

Is that constant state of anger worth the toll it takes on your mind and body? Rage against something you can only fight with words?

Yes.

[Dr. Balls]

On 9/9/2022 at 12:47 PM, Prince Namor said:

 That guy deserves more legendary status than he gets. 

If comics ever had a Shakespeare - it would be him. 

[WeR138]

Entertaining thread.

Two things to note:

1: Welcome back @Dr. Balls!

2: In the world of on-line debate, telling someone to STFU, roughly translates to:  "I've brought a potato peeler to a verbal gun-fight."

 

[jdandns]

On 9/9/2022 at 3:44 AM, Domo Arigato said:

You see, that's where you and I differ.  Because I realize that everyone makes grammar and spelling mistakes, so I don't make a habit of pointing them out.

Those that do, however, tend to be the pompous, self-righteous types.  So, even after I forgive their spelling and/or grammar mistakes...I'm still left talking to pompous, self-righteous individuals that are incapable of seeing their own massive faults.  Unfortunately, it's a burden I have to bear.

 

Yes, massive.

One typo in a wall of text.

It remains true that poor composition of sentences and the words used within in them provide the reader a warning the thoughts behind them may have been arrived at in the same haphazard manner.

I'm done with this thread for now, but I will read the book when it is published, as I said. Another win the Rippaverse!

Thank you, everyone else, for your thoughts on this matter.

[Domo Arigato]

On 9/9/2022 at 9:01 AM, Dr. Balls said:

The $84 per issue Namor is talking about is based on my previous post about the average sale vs total dollars raised. If the dollar amount is accurate, it means that each person would have had to spend an average of $84 per pledge to get to the goal. At the time I posted it, I had zero idea of what it was about or the controversy behind it. The math seemed very suspect in my opinion - that's all I was curious about.

Oh, I knew what he was referring to.  I also knew that you had said an average of $84 per customer had been spent, and that Namor's comment about $84 per issue meant he doesn't really even know what he's talking about.  He's obviously just running on his own bias and lashing out at anything he "perceives" to be something he doesn't like.

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Domo Arigato