marf Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) Comic inside is only attached by 1 staple. the second staple only attached to cover/back. Please Grade and let me know if I should clean and press. Edited May 26 by marf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scburdet Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) 1.8/2.0. Too beat up for pressing to do much good. At best it might look marginally better to make it lay flatter (if it survived the process), but I don't the grade would change. Edited January 15, 2023 by scburdet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilo2 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 If not for the popped staple, this book could potentially press out to a 2.5-3.0 (with a really pro Clean & Press). Most of the wrinkling/creasing appears to be non color breaking. The spine roll will come out during pressing. Unfortunately, the pulled staple will bring it down to a 1.8-2.0 (with a C&P). A pro might be able to reattach the bottom staple but no guarantees. As is it’s a 1.0-1.5 book. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowGradeBronze Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Wow conundrum time! Comics in this state I take apart and make them look nicer with spine repair and tear seals. I do it for fun on cheap comics worth pennies. This either needs a lot of work or none at all. You decide. 1.0 to 1.5 as is and doubt would make better than 2.0 after a lot of work by which time it would be restored in CGCs eyes. I'd leave as is if it were mine. At least until I'd had more practice on cheap comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoggyNelson Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 1.5 but worthy of a slab to keep it from falling apart even worse✔️ 1950's war comics and LowGradeBronze 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I'd press just to alleviate that spine roll. Still about a 2.0 either way. Maybe 2.5 after a C&P. Thanks for posting. marf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojohand Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted May 26 Author Share Posted May 26 (edited) after cnp spine fix Title Amazing Spider-Man Issue 129 Issue Date 2/74 Issue Year 1974 Publisher Marvel Comics Grade 2.5 Page Quality OFF-WHITE Grade Category Universal Art Comments Gerry Conway story, Ross Andru, Frank Giacoia and Dave Hunt art Gil Kane and John Romita cover Key Comments 1st appearance of the Punisher (Frank Castle) and the Jackal. Grader Notes staple detached bottom of cover multiple crease cover breaks color staining to cover tears to cover Edited May 26 by marf grendelbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qalyar Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 In light of what certainly appears to be undisclosed and undetected restoration work performed to the Avengers 4 (and likely at least a couple of the other books) in this submission, I've tried to look through all of them. I'm less certain about my doubts for this book than some of the others, but given the nature of the work seemingly done... My problem here is the area associated with the top staple. There is unquestionable a circular missing piece of the spine at the top prong of the staple and a staple tear at the bottom prong. In the initial image, these are visible on the front of the book due to extremely severe spine roll. After pressing, we see that the spine roll has been corrected. And there's nothing wrong with than in and of itself. The top staple is now very close to being in line with the cover fold, which means defects to the left of that staple will have pushed to the back cover (where they belong). But here's what the back cover looks like in the slab in the vicinity of the upper staple: It's possible, I suppose, that the circular piece-out is positioned precisely such that it isn't visible from either side of the slab, although I'm doubtful. I also feel that would have earned a more specific callout than simply the "tears to cover" designation. But also, where is that tear extending left from the lower prong? It's long enough that it almost has to be visible on the back cover, but there's... simply nothing there. Several of these other books have considerable evidence of leafcasted or dry grafted paper addition. My belief is that the restorationist involved with these books was either concerned that the top staple would blow out, or actually had the top staple pop during correction of the spine roll, and opted to add material to repair the resulting defect. Furthermore, there is a brownish stain in the vicinity of the top staple on the back cover. Although this more or less matches a slightly discolored area around the top prong hole (but again, there's no longer a hole or tear), it is quite a bit darker (unlike all the other stains that were successfully lightened). I suspect it is either the result of material mismatch or an intentional effort to disguise this restoration work. grendelbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbcn Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 On 5/25/2024 at 8:06 PM, marf said: after cnp spine fix WOW. That spine roll fix makes a huge difference! And I guess the chunk out of the back cover at the top was still attached and just needed to be folded in properly? Massive improvement and is a great presenting 2.5! @marf did CGC do the c&p ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 On 5/28/2024 at 11:21 AM, Qalyar said: In light of what certainly appears to be undisclosed and undetected restoration work performed to the Avengers 4 (and likely at least a couple of the other books) in this submission, I've tried to look through all of them. I'm less certain about my doubts for this book than some of the others, but given the nature of the work seemingly done... My problem here is the area associated with the top staple. There is unquestionable a circular missing piece of the spine at the top prong of the staple and a staple tear at the bottom prong. In the initial image, these are visible on the front of the book due to extremely severe spine roll. After pressing, we see that the spine roll has been corrected. And there's nothing wrong with than in and of itself. The top staple is now very close to being in line with the cover fold, which means defects to the left of that staple will have pushed to the back cover (where they belong). But here's what the back cover looks like in the slab in the vicinity of the upper staple: It's possible, I suppose, that the circular piece-out is positioned precisely such that it isn't visible from either side of the slab, although I'm doubtful. I also feel that would have earned a more specific callout than simply the "tears to cover" designation. But also, where is that tear extending left from the lower prong? It's long enough that it almost has to be visible on the back cover, but there's... simply nothing there. Several of these other books have considerable evidence of leafcasted or dry grafted paper addition. My belief is that the restorationist involved with these books was either concerned that the top staple would blow out, or actually had the top staple pop during correction of the spine roll, and opted to add material to repair the resulting defect. Furthermore, there is a brownish stain in the vicinity of the top staple on the back cover. Although this more or less matches a slightly discolored area around the top prong hole (but again, there's no longer a hole or tear), it is quite a bit darker (unlike all the other stains that were successfully lightened). I suspect it is either the result of material mismatch or an intentional effort to disguise this restoration work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted May 28 Author Share Posted May 28 Comic doctor did the spine fix and all my CNPs. As dcbn said, I think the hole was just folded in so its smaller now... dbcn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilo2 Posted Sunday at 11:29 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:29 PM @marf, Great result and proof that a good C&P can make a huge difference in almost any grade. That is a very presentable copy now. Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
