New Resource: CGC Graders Notes Guide - Does this mean all books not 9.8 will get notes now? 2 2

[ShaggyB]

So cgc just released a news article that shares content from their book on the 109 types of defects that cause your grades to go down and they called it: "New Resource: CGC Graders Notes Guide"

But thats not what the community really needed to have. What we need is for the graders to put notes on every book so that we know why it got a specific grade. I have several 9.4 or 9.6 that i have no clue why they werent higher, no graders notes were entered.

At this point we dont need notes on 10s but for 9.9, why wasnt it a 10? For 9.8 why wasnt it a 9.9? For 9.6, why wasnt it a 9.8?... etc.

Can we get notes on everything now if we have a handy resource to help us understand the notes? 

Edited May 21 by ShaggyB

[grendelbo]

https://www.cgccomics.com/news/article/12950/graders-notes-guide-resources/

 

https://www.cgcgrading.com/resources/comics-grader-notes-guide

 

[ShaggyB]

On 5/20/2024 at 8:22 PM, grendelbo said:

https://www.cgccomics.com/news/article/12950/graders-notes-guide-resources/

 

https://www.cgcgrading.com/resources/comics-grader-notes-guide

 

Thanks for adding.

Do they indicate they are expanding graders notes to required on all books anywhere in there?

[Stefan_W]

Based on my own submissions a lot more books are getting grader notes this year than before. 

The trick seems to be to find the right balance. Yes, I agree that more notes is a good thing and I am happy to see more of them nowadays. No, I do not want to increase the TATs substantially so every single book has grader notes. Others may disagree with me here, but honestly some books just do not need them. 

I think a guide to what the defects are is a great resource. I remember taking tons of time trying to figure out what "canvassing" means when I saw it in a note, and I am happy to not ever have to do that again. 

[Silver Surfer]

Shouldn’t the notes include the grade in them so that if anyone finds another way to swap out labels again it will become apparent?

[RockMyAmadeus]

On 5/21/2024 at 12:41 PM, Stefan_W said:

I remember taking tons of time trying to figure out what "canvassing" means when I saw it in a note, and I am happy to not ever have to do that again. 

 

Edited May 27 by RockMyAmadeus

[ShaggyB]

On 5/21/2024 at 3:41 PM, Stefan_W said:

Based on my own submissions a lot more books are getting grader notes this year than before. 

The trick seems to be to find the right balance. Yes, I agree that more notes is a good thing and I am happy to see more of them nowadays. No, I do not want to increase the TATs substantially so every single book has grader notes. Others may disagree with me here, but honestly some books just do not need them. 

I think a guide to what the defects are is a great resource. I remember taking tons of time trying to figure out what "canvassing" means when I saw it in a note, and I am happy to not ever have to do that again. 

Yeah i completely disagree.

If its not a 10, i want to know why. Im paying for grading which includes notes... so include them.

[Stefan_W]

On 5/23/2024 at 9:33 PM, ShaggyB said:

Yeah i completely disagree.

If its not a 10, i want to know why. Im paying for grading which includes notes... so include them.

You are absolutely not paying for grader notes right now. Here is what CGC has to say about them (https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/cgc-grader-notes/ ):

 

[Artifiction]

Why not have a preprinted checklist of all defects, so a grader can just check off any defects that a book has, and then include a copy with each graded book?

[ShaggyB]

On 5/23/2024 at 9:40 PM, Stefan_W said:

You are absolutely not paying for grader notes right now. Here is what CGC has to say about them (https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/cgc-grader-notes/ ):

 

See here is the problem with that.... the site itself starts by saying this:

"These notes are a valuable part of the grading process, and CGC makes Grader Notes available online for free."

That implies the grader didnt really do his/her job if they didnt make them

[Stefan_W]

On 5/25/2024 at 7:08 AM, ShaggyB said:

See here is the problem with that.... the site itself starts by saying this:

"These notes are a valuable part of the grading process, and CGC makes Grader Notes available online for free."

That implies the grader didnt really do his/her job if they didnt make them

Sorry, I am not following. How does making the grader notes that are already made available for free lead to the conclusion that all books should have grader notes? 

If people want to make the argument that all books should have grader notes then that is their prerogative. But right now there is no promise on the part of CGC to do so. And if there is a point in the future when all books get notes it will either slow down the grading process or grading cost more, because that type of requirement would take more time and human resources. My personal view is that would be a waste of time and effort but people can disagree to their heart's content. I only object when people say that grader notes for all books are already promised because that is absolutely not the case. 

[ShaggyB]

On 5/25/2024 at 9:16 AM, Stefan_W said:

Sorry, I am not following. How does making the grader notes that are already made available for free lead to the conclusion that all books should have grader notes? 

If people want to make the argument that all books should have grader notes then that is their prerogative. But right now there is no promise on the part of CGC to do so. And if there is a point in the future when all books get notes it will either slow down the grading process or grading cost more, because that type of requirement would take more time and human resources. My personal view is that would be a waste of time and effort but people can disagree to their heart's content. I only object when people say that grader notes for all books are already promised because that is absolutely not the case. 

"Valuable part of the grading process".

That tends to mean that without them the grading process is some what flawed... otherwise they would not be a "Valuable part" of it.

Again if its a valuable part and its not avaliable, then it wasnt done.... and that allows you to doubt the grade.

And if it was done, it should be included... per their statement. By stating that its a valuable part of the grading process, it should be included with grading. And it is, when its done... but when its not, the words they use mean the grading job done on my book was less than it should have been as it missed the "Valuable Part" of the grading process

Edited May 25 by ShaggyB

[Stefan_W]

On 5/25/2024 at 11:11 AM, ShaggyB said:

"Valuable part of the grading process".

That tends to mean that without them the grading process is some what flawed... otherwise they would not be a "Valuable part" of it.

Again if its a valuable part and its not avaliable, then it wasnt done.... and that allows you to doubt the grade.

And if it was done, it should be included... per their statement. By stating that its a valuable part of the grading process, it should be included with grading. And it is, when its done... but when its not, the words they use mean the grading job done on my book was less than it should have been as it missed the "Valuable Part" of the grading process

Right. So visiting The Louvre is a valuable part of any trip to Paris, therefore all trips to Paris have to include going to The Louvre. 

Gotcha. 

I think we have a fundamental difference of opinion over whether "valuable" and "necessary" are the same thing. I can live with that so I am tapping out. 

[ShaggyB]

On 5/25/2024 at 11:38 AM, Stefan_W said:

Right. So visiting The Louvre is a valuable part of any trip to Paris, therefore all trips to Paris have to include going to The Louvre. 

Gotcha. 

I think we have a fundamental difference of opinion over whether "valuable" and "necessary" are the same thing. I can live with that so I am tapping out. 

Nice try.... The Louvre is not listed as a "valuable part of the process" of visiting Paris. 

If it were, then you might have some leg to stand on there

Your issue and the reason you arent getting this is you are only looking at the word valuable. The problem here is its a valuable "part of the process". Meaning it is a part of the process.

Now if it is a part of the process and it adds value and is included unless its not done, then when its not done, the process wasnt really followed and is somewhat diminished.

Words have meaning but so do combinations of words in a row... or sentences.

It cant be a valuable part of the process and then be something you skip in the process, as that means you failed to do a step and what you did do lacks some portion of the value the overall process would have had if you had not skipped it.

Edited May 26 by ShaggyB

[ShaggyB]

Let me further clarify.

When i submit a book to cgc, i am submitting it to go through the grading process. This results in a grade being given and my book being put in a slab.

The process of grading is something cgc graders all do and is somewhat standardized, i say somewhat as they are humans and each person may see it differently... but overall the steps should be the same.

If CGC list that graders notes are a "valuable part of the process", then i expect they are done with every book that goes through said process.

It says they will share them if they are done, but that means that some graders are actively not following the process mentioned when CGC stated that graders notes were a "valuable" "part of the process".

So what i expect is that i pay for a grading process to be done and every step of that should be done. If graders notes are a valuable part of that process i expect them to be included for the stated "free" (lol nothing is ever really free) with every book that went through the process.

Hence books at grade 10 should probably have a automated grader note that populates because why waste time to type "perfect in every way" or "wow what gem", but the rest should list some reason for the grade given placed in the system by the grader who followed the process.

I should not ever expect to get a book that looks perfect in CGC's pictures that is 9.4 with no notes, as that means said grader didnt follow the process and may have just put the book on out pile with a 9.4 grade they made up.... did it really go through the process if it skipped the "valuable part of the process"

Edited May 26 by ShaggyB

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 5/26/2024 at 12:34 PM, Fat Izzy said:

On 5/25/2024 at 8:08 PM, ShaggyB said:

graders notes are a valuable part of that process i expect them to be included for the stated "free" (lol nothing is ever really free) with every book that went through the process

Since graders' notes are a courtesy and not guaranteed, would you be willing to pay extra to guarantee all your submissions received them?

Could be another revenue stream for CGC...

I'm sure it is rhetorical , but I'd be fine with it upping the price as an option, like pressing, prescreen and other things "I" don't usually click on.

Idk

That being said, if it was like imaging knock on wood where they do it anyway but you can pay extra for high res? Again knock on wood as I enjoy now that they do ANY free imaging for us who struggle with pics and etc the reholder stuff.

 but if it was like they do now without the graders notes option, the amount they did, but guaranteed it on all books for an add on service? 

I'd be down for that.

That's if we lived in a perfect world Again knock on wood! 

 

[Gaard]

Is the supposed increase in TATs the main reason that people are opposed to the idea of all books getting notes?

[ShaggyB]

On 5/26/2024 at 1:34 PM, Fat Izzy said:

Since graders' notes are a courtesy and not guaranteed, would you be willing to pay extra to guarantee all your submissions received them?

Could be another revenue stream for CGC...

My issue with them is when i submit a book that ive gone through their grader guide book on and done what ive seen them do on youtube and i get an unexpected grade with no notes.

How am i gonna get better at grading my books if they dont give me anything to go by. Am i wrong or are they?

Sent in 3 books recently. All of which had no spine stress, no color breaks, no roll, no ticks, no damage and sharp corners except one. The one had a bit of white showing on the spine corners (well with in 9.8 range).

All 3 books were nearly perfect and the one i was worried about got a 9.8. The other 2, that i felt would be possible 9.9 candidates (def 9.8s) given the sharp corners and no issues got 9.6 and 9.4 with no notes. The pics of them on the site look nearly perfect.... so i have no clue why they got lower than expected without the damn notes.

This should be included with every book and should be free. If that means the prices all go up 5 bucks overall, thats fine. Make it happen.

Im not going to select them from a list of options, when its a "valuable part of the process". That means its already part of the process. They just arent doing it for anything over 9.2 with any real regularity.

That needs to stop and they need to start doing them every time as its not some how harder to list the reasons on a 9.8 book vs a 8.0 book. Less flaws to speak to, and they have to plan like the book they get may be lower grade and need notes anyway when they give out their work loads, otherwise the number feels more like a quota and not a real grade

Edited May 27 by ShaggyB

[ShaggyB]

On 5/26/2024 at 9:26 PM, Gaard said:

Is the supposed increase in TATs the main reason that people are opposed to the idea of all books getting notes?

No idea. Id wait an extra day for notes in a heart beat. Knowing why my 9.8 resubmit is now a 9.6 would be great.

Learning what i missed in my personal prescreen would help me out in picking books to send in.

I see no down side to this and i feel if its done on lower grades it should be done on higher ones too.

10 is the only one that doesnt need one and id automate that in the system, just give a generic note by default if you select 10 in the system.

[Gaard]

On 5/27/2024 at 10:38 AM, Fat Izzy said:

They're part of the process, just not part of the process you pay for  Think of it this way, you're lucky that they give you any notes on any books at all.

 

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am so tired of CGC reps saying "...at the graders' discretion."

blue or green label

notes or no notes

pedigree or not

factor in unwitnessed sig into grade

error designation

artist info on label

These have all been deemed, at one time or another,  "at the graders' discretion".