Stan Lee Lied - Your Handy Guide to Every Lie in the 'Origins of Marvel Comics' 11 11

[jimjum12]

On 10/3/2024 at 2:58 PM, Iconic1s said:

If Stan wrote this it seems like he may have been working through some things… hidden in plain sight as they say.

 

I'm beginning my book soon. It will be titled "Where Jack Stole All The Ideas That Stan Stole". Sorry to have to do the bubble popping, kids, but it must be done, before the innocents fly too fast, too far, into those fabled nights. GOD BLESS ...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

 

Edited October 3 by jimjum12

[Iconic1s]

On 10/3/2024 at 2:15 PM, jimjum12 said:

I'm beginning my book soon. It will be titled "Where Jack Stole All The Ideas That Stan Stole". Sorry to have to do the bubble popping, kids, but it must be done, before the innocents fly to fast, too far, into those fabled nights.

Please post a link when it's available... would love to read that.

[namisgr]

[Albert Tatlock]

[Albert Tatlock]

A thinly disguised reworking of The Day The Earth Stood Still.

Jack was a voracious viewer of B movies, although The Day....... was far above the common herd.

[Albert Tatlock]

There is no new thing under the sun.

Ecclesiastes Chapter 1, Verse 9.

Especially if you are a creator of comic books.

[Ken Aldred]

On 10/3/2024 at 9:18 PM, Albert Tatlock said:

 

 

 

Interesting.

I was aware that our police were allowed to carry truncheons and whistles back then, but I knew nothing about their disintegrator / death beams.

[Albert Tatlock]

On 10/3/2024 at 10:36 PM, Ken Aldred said:

Interesting.

I was aware that our police were allowed to carry truncheons and whistles back then, but I knew nothing about their disintegrator / death beams.

That's why it's Cert X For Adults Only.

We would not be allowed in, as mere Kidults, in spite of our chronological age.

[Zonker]

On 10/3/2024 at 5:22 PM, Albert Tatlock said:

There is no new thing under the sun.

Ecclesiastes Chapter 1, Verse 9.

Especially if you are a creator of comic books.

Many years ago I read someone explain "You cannot copyright ideas... you can only copyright particular arrangements of words on a sheet of paper."  Harlan Ellison?  Spider Robinson?  Cannot remember the source.

[Albert Tatlock]

On 10/3/2024 at 10:36 PM, Ken Aldred said:

Interesting.

I was aware that our police were allowed to carry truncheons and whistles back then, but I knew nothing about their disintegrator / death beams.

Or maybe it's just to show how literally heartless a resuscitated mummy is.

The internal organs were removed, pickled, and placed in a jar next to the sarcophagus, ready for reunification with the cadaver in the afterlife.

The origin of this horror trope is, I believe, Lot 249 by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

Read it and shudder.

[Albert Tatlock]

On 10/3/2024 at 8:52 AM, Prince Namor said:

Those are hero guest stars. DC was doing that as well.

#5. That's what I said. Probably one of the least interesting stories of the first 50 issues.

Those are heroes. We were talking villains.

VILLAINS. Super hero team ups everyone was doing.

DC was doing all of this before mid-1964 - Did you think Stan Lee INVENTED superhero crossovers?

 

Batman and Robin + the Legion of Super Heroes in Superman's story in Action Comics #309

Supergirl regularly appeared with Supes in those Action stories

Hawkman in the Atom #7

Green Lantern in Flash #131

Justice League of America featuring most of the main Superheroes 8 times a year

Adam Strange in JLA #24

Crisis on Earth-Two in JLA #21-22 featuring...a whole BUNCH of guest stars... is this not the very definition of an INTERWOVEN storyline?

World's Finest teaming up Batman and Superman every month

Flash in Green Lantern #13

Flash in Green Lantern #20

Green Lantern in Flash #143

Plus you have Brave and the Bold which pre-dates Marvel Team Up by 10 years:

Green Arrow and Martian Manhunter in Brave and the Bold #50

Aquaman and Hawkman in Brave and the Bold #51

Atom and Flash in Brave and the Bold #53

Kid Flash, Aqualad and Robin in Brave and the Bold #54

Metal Men and the Atom in Brave and the Bold #55

Martian Manhunter and Flash in Brave and the Bold #56

JSA in JLA #29-30

And Robin in Adventure # 253 as far back as 1958.

[Readcomix]

On 10/3/2024 at 3:24 PM, namisgr said:

Jack used a Norse god Thor in Boy Commandoes #7. 

[PreHero]

First appearance of Thor as a superhero in Weird Comics #1 - very much like Marvel's version 22 yrs later (even called Mighty Thor in one panel):

Edited October 4 by PreHero
WC #1 "borrowed" from Heritage archive

[Number 6]

On 10/3/2024 at 2:36 PM, Ken Aldred said:

Interesting.

I was aware that our police were allowed to carry truncheons and whistles back then, but I knew nothing about their disintegrator / death beams.

You may be aware of this already, but I was watching a Hammer doc where they said that poster art was created by the ad department before the movie was finished shooting. I think it was Christopher Lee who suggested the Peter Cushing drive a poker through him during one of their confrontations so they could have something in the movie that half-way resembled what was in that poster (a policeman’s torch shinning through a hole in the mummy)

[Mmehdy]

On 10/3/2024 at 5:00 PM, PreHero said:

First appearance of Thor as a superhero in Weird Comics #1 - very much like Marvel's version 22 yrs later (even called Mighty Thor in one panel):

Great research!!!!

[Larryw7]

On 10/2/2024 at 3:10 PM, sfcityduck said:

That's not the way the legal issue turned out. The Kirby's will never wrest control of FF or anyone else from Marvel. That ship sailed. I hope that's not news to you, but the statutes and case law came out unfavorable to creators in Kirby's position. 

If Stan would have told the truth while under oath, maybe the Kirby’s would have been treated more fairly.

[Ken Aldred]

No relation.

Edited October 4 by Ken Aldred

[bc]

On 10/3/2024 at 8:46 PM, Ken Aldred said:

No relation.

No relation either ... 

-bc

[Ken Aldred]

On 10/4/2024 at 1:51 AM, bc said:

No relation either ... 

-bc

And then there was this one...

[Prince Namor]

In my book, you'll find out who REALLY (most likely) influenced Kirby's look for Thor.

Jack Kirby did Thor TWICE before the version we now know. Lee never did. And Kirby never said he created Thor from out of thin air. He did say (from my book):

“I got a kick out of doing the Thor legend, which I researched.
I kind of did my version of it. They thought that Thor should have red hair and a beard, and that’s not my Thor. So I just went my own way.”

- Jack Kirby, August 1–3, 1970: San Diego’s Golden State Comic Con (San Diego, California)

 

Compare that to what Lee said:

“As all true devotees know, every superhero needs a special quality, a special weapon of some sort… and then I realized I could solve both problems (weapon and flying) at once - with a hammer!”

- Stan Lee, Origins of Marvel Comics, 1974

 

Thor having a hammer was certainly not Lee's idea. It was a part of the original Norse Mythology.