New York Comic Book Spectacular 3 July 30

[shadroch]

Thats the biggest load of hooey I've come across in awhile.Thanks for the entertainment,unintended though it is.

The crowd doesn't count

The number of dealers doesn't count.In fact,according to you,fewer dealers lets you maximize discounts by reducing your options.Of course,perhaps a few more dealers just might increase competiton,which would also result in savings

[langur88]

Thats the biggest load of hooey I've come across in awhile.Thanks for the entertainment,unintended though it is.

The crowd doesn't count

The number of dealers doesn't count.In fact,according to you,fewer dealers lets you maximize discounts by reducing your options.Of course,perhaps a few more dealers just might increase competiton,which would also result in savings

 

I cannot simplify it any more than I already have. Read the posts.

[langur88]

Would have liked to see a few more dealers as it seemed that like 50+% of the dealer tables in the room were two dealers.

 

Its not the amount of dealers in the show it's the amount of stuff that they bring.

Unless you are there to buy dealers of course.

 

What part does shadroch not get? Nobody is there to buy dealers! They are there to buy comic books! What do you not understand? The room was full of comic books irrelevant to the number of dealers. Its a store! Who cares how many people are employed in the booth? Its the comic books!

 

Stupid time wasting negativity from the boards one percent miserable. If you have nothing positive to do, do it someplace else. Do you see why I have to weed out fringe alleged "dealers"?

 

Thanks for proving my point.

[Sonofpromoterman]

I think what Shadroch is looking for is actual numbers to crunch.I will give him my last show numbers.Who knows maybe he will be a high end NY tourist buying at one of my shows.

 

JMV Comic Book Show : San Antonio,Texas Crowne Plaza -Airport July 23,2006

Number of dealers:7 Number of tables:20 Number of Paid Attended: 138

Cost of a dealer Table:$50.00 Cost of Admission:$2.00

 

Upcoming "JMV Comic Book Shows" (All near Airports ! Take note tourists)

 

Aug 13 - Dallas, Sept 2 - Austin, Sept 3 - Houston, Oct 22 - San Antonio

[shadroch]

One never knows! I:'ll very likely be setting up a permanent booth in a flea market in Kingman Arizona,if I can find some competent help,so if you expand further West,and I expand East.......

[langur88]

I:'ll very likely be setting up a permanent booth in a flea market in Kingman Arizona.....{quote]

 

New York's loss is Arizona's gain.

[langur88]

I think what Shadroch is looking for is actual numbers to crunch.

 

The attendance figure in itself carries very little weight. There are several other factors with more significance.

[Sonofpromoterman]

How about El Paso,Texas. Large population with lots of Military both active and retired in the area.Halfway between Phoenix and Dallas.

[shadroch]

I:'ll very likely be setting up a permanent booth in a flea market in Kingman Arizona.....{quote]

 

New York's loss is Arizona's gain.

 

 

Perhaps you should try taking your own advice and read the post,or maybe have someone read them to you if you can't quite comprehend them.

[shadroch]

I think what Shadroch is looking for is actual numbers to crunch.

 

The attendance figure in itself carries very little weight. There are several other factors with more significance.

 

Keep repeating that,maybe you'll convince yourself.

[trevorlsmith]

Not trying to sound like an @ss because I see there's a bit of a disagreement going on here and I don't want to get in the middle or rile things up further, but I don't understand why attendance wouldn't matter to a dealer.

 

Sure there are other factors, but (as an admittedly naive buyer-only) I would think that attendance would be the primary factor in a dealer deciding whether it's worth setting up.

 

Could you explain further why it's not significant? I'm genuinely curious. Btw, I'm a native NYer and will check out the October show, and quite honestly, I'd prefer that attendance isn't overwhelming.

[FlComicFan]

Attendance is very important so it wouldnt hurt to just disclose the number. I do also agree that it can skew your judgement of how a show could be based on the nuber of dealers you will be competing with (which he did post) and most importantly is it a pop culture type day out for the family or is it geared for serious comic collectors. 25 serious comic book collectors will outspend 1000 (its something to do for a few hours) customers any day. In NY you should be able to pull in 800-1200 attendess for a one day show and do very well provided those people werent lured in to meet has been tv stars and wannabee porn starlets

[langur88]

25 serious comic book collectors will outspend 1000 (its something to do for a few hours) customers any day. In NY you should be able to pull in 800-1200 attendess for a one day show and do very well provided those people werent lured in to meet has been tv stars and wannabee porn starlets

 

Hey shadroch! Maybe you will listen to this guy. He gets it! Why can't you?

 

It's pretty amazing that I have run 100 shows and you have run zero but you know more about it. Thanks for weeding yourself out and not wasting any more time. I would rather give the space for free to a local small press artist or writer with a good attitude than expose my customers to you.

 

Good luck with the flea markets and street fairs in Arizona and leave the real comic book shows for those with something positive to bring instead of your ceaseless negativity and rotten attitude.

[langur88]

I would think that attendance would be the primary factor in a dealer deciding whether it's worth setting up.

 

Could you explain further why it's not significant? I'm genuinely curious.

 

Bottom line.

 

Its not the total number of attendees.

 

Its the total number of dollars available that the attendees have to spend on the product that the dealer has available for sale.

 

Ours being a strictly comic book related show, all of the dollars are available to spend on comic book related items!

 

The total attendance means nothing if the comsumer is not there to buy what you have for sale!

[the blob]

"Its not the amount of dealers in the show it's the amount of stuff that they bring."

 

That's true, actually, it's what they bring. Those two dealers had very little of interest to me (mostly a bunch of 1990s 50 cent books), so half the room wound up not being worth looking at. But if you're looking for that stuff, I guess it would have been great.

[shadroch]

Lemur ,You really are starting to sound deranged.Quoting half a persons posts(the part that supports you) while ignoring the parts that question your childish behavior,Your attacks on me for asking you a simple question-how many people attended your show.

You obviously know nothing about me,yet have decided you know everything there is to know,dispite the facts that you are wrong.Don't believe me,ask Neal Adams -who organized the first East Coast Trade show back in 1987? Ask Jim Hanley this-Who was a co-founder of the nations first store owners association? Ask the people out at the SD con-who was the first co-sponser of both the Eisner and Kirby awards.

Just for the record, guess who the answer would be-I'll give you a hint -Me! . In addition to that,I've organized and run several smaller conventions on Long Island-but you knew that,didn't you.You claimed you must know me,since we evidently set up at the same show one time.

 

I can see why you are afraid to rent me,or other dealers some space.

You and your boys dominate the show,bringing 75,000 overstock books,and manage to convince 100 or so people to pay $6 for the privledge to buy them from you.Seems like you've managed to put the'con' together pretty neatly. Since you clearly can't defend your pathetic actions,you've chosen to take the low road,making personal attacks,even though you evidently know nothing about me.

Such is life.I'm out of here.I've given your show more publicity than it deserves.More than you have,in fact.I checked out several sources that list events around the city,and even though they are free to list on,your "con" isn't listed. Great marketing. I wish you continued success

[shadroch]

"Its not the amount of dealers in the show it's the amount of stuff that they bring."

 

That's true, actually, it's what they bring. Those two dealers had very little of interest to me (mostly a bunch of 1990s 50 cent books), so half the room wound up not being worth looking at. But if you're looking for that stuff, I guess it would have been great.

 

Of course,those two dealers just happened to be the promoters,but thats not important either.

[langur88]

Lemur

You obviously know nothing about me,yet have decided you know everything there is to know,

I can see why you are afraid to rent me,or other dealers some space.

You and your boys dominate the show,bringing 75,000 overstock books,and manage to convince 100 or so people to pay $6 for the privledge to buy them from you.Seems like you've managed to put the'con' together pretty neatly. Since you clearly can't defend your pathetic actions,you've chosen to take the low road,making personal attacks,even though you evidently know nothing about me.

I checked out several sources that list events around the city,and even though they are free to list on,your "con" isn't listed. Great marketing. I wish you continued success

 

Once again I will state the facts.

 

I do not know you. Period. All I have to judge by is your posts which say much. I have answered your questions honestly but since you did like the answers you have been an insulting nabob. All of this because the attendance is none of your business and I refuse to lie about it? We do not rent space to people who are not there for comics but for some type of ego gratification.

 

I am not "afraid" to rent to anyone. What does that even mean? If you knew who I was you would know just how stupid that statement is. It's easy to just take any jerk dealers money! I do not rent to dealers that bring nothing but negativity to the room. I am sure that you must have had the usual cancerous dealers at the front of your showI I can picture RM of TT now. When I need the money so bad that I have to prostitute my show, I will get out. The dealers do not run our shows. Everything is done in the best interest of the attendees. When an attendee has a problem with a dealer it is my problem too and I do my best to fix it.

 

We market our comic book shows to comic book fans. I am sorry that you could not find it in the free flea market and street fair section. We list in comic book related periodicals and comic related web-sites. Not the penny saver paper.

[langur88]

 

Of course,those two dealers just happened to be the promoters,but thats not important either.

 

It's not important but you are wrong again.

If you have a question please pick up a phone and get the facts. I know how you don't like it when the facts get in the way of your "story".

 

I am the promoter. The other dealer whom you refer to is Katz Komix who has been setting up at NYC shows for over 15 years from Great Eastern to Max Gottfried to Big Apple to NY Comic-Con. He sells a humongous amount of books to people who are happy to buy them and from him. He also had a large display of Golden and Silver age but that is conveniently left out.

 

The vast majority of attendees are there to buy books from the last 15 years.

The smart dealers bring what people want to buy.

 

At this show they are all there for comic books.

 

shadroch, I do not care what you think of a show that you have not attended.

I care what the people think that did attend and they liked it.

 

Steve B. did my shows. Ask about my references.

[langur88]

Lemur

You and your boys dominate the show

 

Actually my Wife and Daughters also help. We could never do it alone.

but thank you.