CGC Census - Toughest 9.8s for Copper Age

[Topnotchman]

For the list you already accumulated, you would look each one up on GPA and match them up. That would take a while. The Turtles #1 is obvious 9.2 or higher, the Vampirella 113 9.2 or higher, Daredevil 165 166 in 9.6 higher, 168 9.2 or higher, Star Wars 107 9.4 or higher, Transformers 80 9.2 or higher. Some have very little activity in the past 12 months and prices swing up and down signifignatly.

[THE_BEYONDER]

The lone Fantastic Four #214 CGC 9.8 (Torch cover) was owned by the Beyonder and if I recall correctly but was damaged in the slabb during delivery a few years back so actually there are no CGC 9.8's for this issue.

 

I think he would have to send the label in to CGC in order to get the book removed from the census.

 

Seller requested I send the book back to CGC to see if they could "fix it". Book was sent to CGC.....and shortly thereafter the seller issued me a refund. Whether or not the book was fixed remains to be seen......

 

 

 

[joe_collector]

Keep an eye on CL/Heritage.

[500Club]

V,

 

It seems all the big books from the Copper age are there on the list, including such firm favourites as Hulk #340 (an example of a book that every man and his dog bought!).

 

It seems more that books that are favoured are being submitted in numbers, and exhibiting typical standard deviation spreads particularly as we move towards the bottom of the list.

Probably the only prominent information we can take from the list so far would be the top 15 or so books.

 

But for the rest, i would say it's all simply down to the fact that it is not worth submitting a CA book unless it's worth something in particular, and you believe it's a strong contender for the 9.4+ grade result.

So those factors will always be strong for quite a number of years to come as CA flounders with the extreme's of TMNT vs the rest of them in $ terms.

 

Very good points...

In any list of Copper Age where the minimum number of submissions is 50 (or even 20),

we have immediately filtered out any Copper Age book that is "relatively unimportant" to collectors.

 

One of the things that people don't normally see in the CGC Census is the fact that

most EXISTING copies of Modern/Copper books are NOT 9.8. Judging from the census,

it would be easy to conclude that 9.8 is "easy" for these books, regardless of publisher.

 

In reality, the key books are a better demonstration of the actual conditions of raw books in the market.

There's just no incentive for "average copies" of most Modern/Copper books to be slabbed,

so the census reflects the "best of the best", not the "normal situation".

 

For example, the average slabbed grade for Marvel books from 1982

for books which have 1 to 25 copies on the CGC census is 9.55.

That probably sounds about right to most collectors...

Marvel books from 1982 have been generally well-protected,

it's probably easy to find raw books in the 9.55 range...

probably "about average" for unslabbed books from this timeframe.

 

But, that's just not reality... watch what happens as the sample size increases...

 

The average slabbed grade for Marvel books from 1982 for books

with 26 to 100 copies on the CGC census is 9.46.

The average slabbed grade for Marvel books from 1982 for books

with 100 or more copies on the CGC census is 9.24...

while the average slabbed grade for Marvel books from 1982 for books

with 500 or more copies on the CGC census is 9.13.

 

So... if you wanted to estimate the "average condition" of UNGRADED Marvel books from 1982,

what grade estimate would you apply to all those raw books out there in the world?

 

I would say that 9.13 is the closest to the "average condition" of UNGRADED Marvel books from 1982.

In fact, 9.13 is probably too high, because we're talking about books that were deemed "slab-worthy"

by someone at some time... by default, those books are already "better than average"

because people don't slab every copy of a book, they slab their best.

 

(I just picked Marvel 1982 at random... we could use any publisher/year combo.)

 

Books which are graded the most often have the best chance of having a better

cross-section of the ACTUAL normal grades in existence... which is why books with the most

copies on the census are also averaging the lowest overall grade.

 

The real question is... how many RAW books are being claimed to be 9.4 or 9.6,

but in reality are "about average", and much closer to 9.13 than the seller would admit?

How many collectors who "don't need CGC" are paying raw 9.4 and 9.6 prices for raw 9.13 books?

The statistics say that the "average raw copy" isn't as good as collectors might think.

 

The 1982 average grade is most likely to fall between 8.0 and 9.0, based on the above data. I'd wager 8.7 or so.

 

The 9.13 average comes from a biased sample. The sample average is skewed by the fact that these are the copies deemed gradeable.

 

The sample is likely also biased by the fact that the >500 1982 submitted books are the more valuable ones and have probably been cared for much better on average than common books.

 

Oh, and for the data collection.

[Topnotchman]

The average grade of common Marvel comics that are still around from the year 1982 would be in the 8.0 to 9.0 range. Gravity has taken its toll, poor storage, people actually read some of them. I've looked at thousands of books either in dealer warehouse stock, or collector collections. It is possible to find a personal collector who did pack and preserve there comics to an average of 9.0-9.4, but that number is in minority. The average grade is vf for most books I see that are 25 years old.

[B-Smooth]

Digging up old thread. Good reading. I wonder if any of these are difficult to get in a 9.8, all these years later?

[valiantman]

Digging up old thread. Good reading. I wonder if any of these are difficult to get in a 9.8, all these years later?

 

Toughest CGC 9.8 (or higher) - by number of 9.8+ graded

(1980 to 1992, minimum 50 slabbed copies)

Vampirella 113 (1988) - 0 in 9.8+ out of 78

Uncle Scrooge 179 (1980) - 0 in 9.8+ out of 53

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 4 Second Printing/MAN (1987) - 2 in 9.8+ out of 80

Grendel 2 (1983) - 2 in 9.8+ out of 73

The Tick 1 (1988) - 3 in 9.8+ out of 98

Albedo 2 (1984) - 3 in 9.8+ out of 79

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 Second Printing (1984) - 3 in 9.8+ out of 64

Bone 1 (1991) - 4 in 9.8+ out of 111

Bone 2 (1991) - 4 in 9.8+ out of 52

Grendel 1 (1983) - 5 in 9.8+ out of 153

Power Man and Iron Fist 78 (1982) - 5 in 9.8+ out of 67

Cry For Dawn 9 (1992) - 5 in 9.8+ out of 55

Flaming Carrot 1 (1984) - 7 in 9.8+ out of 91

Macross 1 (1984) - 7 in 9.8+ out of 68

Evil Ernie 2 (1992) - 7 in 9.8+ out of 58

Cry For Dawn 5 (1991) - 7 in 9.8+ out of 53

Bone 3 (1991) - 7 in 9.8+ out of 52

Evil Ernie 1 (1991) - 8 in 9.8+ out of 144

Power Man and Iron Fist 84 (1982) - 8 in 9.8+ out of 73

The Crow 2 (1989) - 8 in 9.8+ out of 53

Aliens 1 (1988) - 8 in 9.8+ out of 52

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 (1984) - 9 in 9.8+ out of 373

Fury of Firestorm 61 Logo Variant (1987) - 9 in 9.8+ out of 78

Savage She-Hulk 2 (1980) - 9 in 9.8+ out of 52

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 Third Printing (1985) - 10 in 9.8+ out of 79

Terminator: The Burning Earth 1 (1990) - 10 in 9.8+ out of 64

Eternal Warrior 1 Gold Variant Cover (1992) - 10 in 9.8+ out of 56

The Tick Special Edition 2 (1988) - 10 in 9.8+ out of 54

Cry For Dawn 1 (1989) - 11 in 9.8+ out of 148

New Mutants Annual 2 (1986) - 11 in 9.8+ out of 61

Cry For Dawn 4 (1991) - 11 in 9.8+ out of 53

Miracleman 23 (1992) - 11 in 9.8+ out of 53

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 2 Second Printing (1982) - 11 in 9.8+ out of 50

Cry For Dawn 2 (1990) - 12 in 9.8+ out of 65

Daredevil 162 (1980) - 12 in 9.8+ out of 61

Raphael 1 (1985) - 12 in 9.8+ out of 61

Dark Horse Presents 1 (1986) - 12 in 9.8+ out of 52

The Crow 1 (1989) - 13 in 9.8+ out of 115

Uncanny X-Men at the State Fair of Texas nn (1983) - 13 in 9.8+ out of 72

Spectacular Spider-Man 83 (1983) - 13 in 9.8+ out of 51

The Tick Special Edition 1 (1988) - 14 in 9.8+ out of 83

Incredible Hulk 324 (1986) - 14 in 9.8+ out of 70

Megaton 3 (1986) - 14 in 9.8+ out of 59

Incredible Hulk 343 (1988) - 14 in 9.8+ out of 50

Sandman 2 (1989) - 15 in 9.8+ out of 89

Superman 400 (1984) - 15 in 9.8+ out of 63

Action Comics 600 (1988) - 15 in 9.8+ out of 62

Star Wars 48 (1981) - 15 in 9.8+ out of 57

Amazing Spider-Man 202 (1980) - 16 in 9.8+ out of 242

Justice League of America 200 (1982) - 16 in 9.8+ out of 71

 

Toughest CGC 9.8 (or higher) - by percent of 9.8+ graded

(1980 to 1992, minimum 50 slabbed copies)

Vampirella 113 (1988) - 0% in 9.8+

Uncle Scrooge 179 (1980) - 0% in 9.8+

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 (1984) - 2.41% in 9.8+

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 4 Second Printing/MAN (1987) - 2.5% in 9.8+

Grendel 2 (1983) - 2.74% in 9.8+

The Tick 1 (1988) - 3.06% in 9.8+

Grendel 1 (1983) - 3.27% in 9.8+

Bone 1 (1991) - 3.6% in 9.8+

Albedo 2 (1984) - 3.8% in 9.8+

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 Second Printing (1984) - 4.69% in 9.8+

Daredevil 168 (1981) - 5.31% in 9.8+

Evil Ernie 1 (1991) - 5.56% in 9.8+

X-Men 131 (1980) - 5.77% in 9.8+

Amazing Spider-Man 300 (1988) - 6.41% in 9.8+

Primer 2 (1982) - 6.41% in 9.8+

Amazing Spider-Man 202 (1980) - 6.61% in 9.8+

Cry For Dawn 1 (1989) - 7.43% in 9.8+

Power Man and Iron Fist 78 (1982) - 7.46% in 9.8+

Flaming Carrot 1 (1984) - 7.69% in 9.8+

Bone 2 (1991) - 7.69% in 9.8+

Star Wars 107 (1986) - 7.94% in 9.8+

Cry For Dawn 9 (1992) - 9.09% in 9.8+

X-Men 132 (1980) - 9.1% in 9.8+

Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1983) - 9.18% in 9.8+

X-Men 129 (1980) - 9.27% in 9.8+

X-Men 139 (1980) - 9.3% in 9.8+

Spider-Man 1 Platinum Edition (1990) - 9.55% in 9.8+

Amazing Spider-Man 301 (1988) - 9.6% in 9.8+

Daredevil 163 (1980) - 10% in 9.8+

X-Men 130 (1980) - 10.11% in 9.8+

Macross 1 (1984) - 10.29% in 9.8+

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 21 (1984) - 10.71% in 9.8+

Caliber Presents 1 (1989) - 10.78% in 9.8+

Power Man and Iron Fist 84 (1982) - 10.96% in 9.8+

The Crow 1 (1989) - 11.3% in 9.8+

Power Man and Iron Fist 66 (1980) - 11.33% in 9.8+

Fury of Firestorm 61 Logo Variant (1987) - 11.54% in 9.8+

X-Men 134 (1980) - 11.62% in 9.8+

Justice League 3 Logo Variant (1987) - 11.73% in 9.8+

Batman 428 (1988) - 11.76% in 9.8+

Evil Ernie 2 (1992) - 12.07% in 9.8+

Amazing Spider-Man 298 (1988) - 12.26% in 9.8+

Solar, Man of the Atom 10 (1992) - 12.65% in 9.8+

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 Third Printing (1985) - 12.66% in 9.8+

Transformers 80 (1991) - 12.79% in 9.8+

Daredevil 169 (1981) - 12.8% in 9.8+

X-Men 133 (1980) - 13.19% in 9.8+

Cry For Dawn 5 (1991) - 13.21% in 9.8+

Bone 3 (1991) - 13.46% in 9.8+

X-Men 137 (1980) - 13.72% in 9.8+