Obadiah Oldbuck vs. Superman

[showcase4]

Hey MIca,

Bob Beerbohm and I have better things to do with our time than click on this thread 12,000 times. If you look back at the history of the post, there have been MANY contributors....some repeat, some just with a singe remark.

 

Just because you obviously dispise the content of this thread, does not mean that others do also. If Bob and I were to stop typing...it would live on

[BLBcomics-migration]

examining numbers can be enlightening

 

take for example when you registered here and when i did

 

I come in Jan 2005 and you come in April 2005

 

I have something like 328 posts total with maybe 50 on this one now

 

you have something like 5559 posts total - how many threads have you kept alive?

 

I only come to this thread a month ago to defend my research, the numbers were already way up there

 

how many threads have you "kept alive"

 

i keep responding to honest queries here -

 

what was your point?

 

and please do not take my query wrong as well

[infinite_comics-migration]

If Bob and I were to stop typing...it would live on

 

I'll take that bet... how much?

[BLBcomics-migration]

Hi Steve

 

Nope, my post was more so directed at Bill P, i used the quick reply, which i guess leads one to seem like replying to whomever had the last previous post.

 

I would say the list you provided, gleaned from the beginning stuff in Overstreet, is predicated on value, not historical significance, the latter of which is my only criteria as i developed the history articles which front the Vict, Plat and "Modern" comic book price indexes.

 

Some fool keeps bandying about the term "arrogant" which is laughable at best. I am merely supremely confidant in the research i have conducted which has taken me far beyond the scope of what most have delved into re the archeology of all things comics. Anyone proves me wrong, and i will be the first to change the program.

 

There is decades of myth yet to undo which is still taken as gospel

 

I remember the days back in the 1980s when Marvel ruled supreme - and Marvel (Mystery) Comics #1 was considered the most valuable of all comic books - and the debates raged over whether the Oct or Nov 1939 issue was scarcer than the other.

 

Times changed, DC with Action #1 was of late anointed supreme comic book, the value keeps climbing, and lately, the mythos has moved the time line to have Action #1 as the beginning of the "Golden" Age of comicbooks.

 

Not that long ago, it just wasn't so, Joe.

 

Famous Funnies #1 news stand edition was considered the beginning of the "Golden" Age

 

For me, the "Golden" Age of comics begins with the likes of Little Nemo, Krazy Kat, and a host of other classic strips - as i do not limit myself to the narrow delivery venue of comics magazines. One could toss in Yellow Kid, Katzenjammer Kids, Buster Brown, Mutt & Jeff, Bringing Up Father, Gumps, and 100s of other comic strips.

 

The "Golden" Age of heroes in comics begins with Buck Rogers, Tarzan, Popeye, Flash Gordon, Phantom, Prince valiant - all before Superman

 

And comics ruled supreme with those heroes in the eyes and soul of America before Superman came along on the set - read and enjoyed by millions upon millions more Americans than any single comicbook(magazine) ever published.

 

I have been dealing with the re-education of American comicbook collectors for a decade now. What has transpired on this CGC thread is nothing new. There are always a few who will not budge no matter what is shown to them.

 

so, some one respond the above data rather than deflect attention spans away from what i wrote above

 

[mica]

Hey MIca,

Bob Beerbohm and I have better things to do with our time than click on this thread 12,000 times.

Ah that's why I didn't specify the exact number when referring to the touted views. I did make mention about 2 anonymous posters so you might have thought ...... say, what makes you think that you and ol' Bob were who I was referring about?

If you look back at the history of the post, there have been MANY contributors....some repeat, some just with a singe remark.

Don't know what a singe remark is,

but as far as the MANY contributors part..... over a period of weeks there's bound to

be some notice of this thread simply because it gets posted in (by those anonymous guys )

Not to mention the title of this thread mentions a possible matchup between some dude and SUPERMAN.

A large percentage of the "MANY" that have entered this thread thought it would have something to do with Superman.

Not that Superman is a huge draw, but he still gets respect and attention.

 

What you should have done was mention Spiderman in the title but I digress.

 

Just because you obviously dispise the content of this thread, does not mean that others do also.

I don't dispise the content of this thread.

I don't even "Despise" the content of this thread.

It's amusing. With a touch of odd.

Remember....early on I sort of agreed with you about it possibly being a comic book.

Now I'm back on the fence.

Not exactly in the "Despise" camp or thinktank.

If Bob and I were to stop typing...it would live on

Again, what makes you think I was referring to you and ol' Bob?

 

But if you'd like to conduct a little experiment, remove yourself (not sure you could convince whatsisname) from the thread for 9 days.

 

And don't try to say that I am trying to force anybody off of here.

That wasn't my intent. I just wanted to put forth a viewpoint

(you admit to seeking those)

that the life in this thread has been kept alive by a steady flow of a hospital IV

 

I also threw in a comment about not taking pleasure in stating my earlier comment,

so that should have soothed any possible response I received.

Perhaps you didn't see the word "regards" as well?

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Hey MIca,

Bob Beerbohm and I have better things to do with our time than click on this thread 12,000 times.

Ah that's why I didn't specify the exact number when referring to the touted views. I did make mention about 2 anonymous posters so you might have thought ...... say, what makes you think that you and ol' Bob were who I was referring about?

If you look back at the history of the post, there have been MANY contributors....some repeat, some just with a singe remark.

Don't know what a singe remark is,

but as far as the MANY contributors part..... over a period of weeks there's bound to

be some notice of this thread simply because it gets posted in (by those anonymous guys )

Not to mention the title of this thread mentions a possible matchup between some dude and SUPERMAN.

A large percentage of the "MANY" that have entered this thread thought it would have something to do with Superman.

Not that Superman is a huge draw, but he still gets respect and attention.

 

What you should have done was mention Spiderman in the title but I digress.

 

Just because you obviously dispise the content of this thread, does not mean that others do also.

I don't dispise the content of this thread.

I don't even "Despise" the content of this thread.

It's amusing. With a touch of odd.

Remember....early on I sort of agreed with you about it possibly being a comic book.

Now I'm back on the fence.

Not exactly in the "Despise" camp or thinktank.

If Bob and I were to stop typing...it would live on

Again, what makes you think I was referring to you and ol' Bob?

 

But if you'd like to conduct a little experiment, remove yourself (not sure you could convince whatsisname) from the thread for 9 days.

 

And don't try to say that I am trying to force anybody off of here.

That wasn't my intent. I just wanted to put forth a viewpoint

(you admit to seeking those)

that the life in this thread has been kept alive by a steady flow of a hospital IV

 

I also threw in a comment about not taking pleasure in stating my earlier comment,

so that should have soothed any possible response I received.

Perhaps you didn't see the word "regards" as well?

 

based on the time it must have taken you to type all this, I will respond;

 

PS. I'm not going to stop contributing to my own post so you can try to prove a point

[Durden08]

Hey MIca,

Bob Beerbohm and I have better things to do with our time than click on this thread 12,000 times.

 

Not to mention the title of this thread mentions a possible matchup between some dude and SUPERMAN.

A large percentage of the "MANY" that have entered this thread thought it would have something to do with Superman.

 

OK I confess, in the last 2 months I must have clicked on this thread about 10,000 times thinking I would eventually get some invaluable info about Superman pounding some dude named Obadiah. But it never came ... it just never came.

[mica]

examining numbers can be enlightening

Well they do tend to bore people that haven't devoted their lifes work to figuring out when a caption of text was first used alongside an illustration. But aim high. I wish you well

take for example when you registered here and when i did

 

I come in Jan 2005 and you come in April 2005

That's astounding. How in the sam hill did you figure that ....oh wait a minute, you're THE Bob something or other.

 

I have something like 328 posts total with maybe 50 on this one now

This must be the set up for a really telling and powerful smackdown.

 

you have something like 5559 posts total - how many threads have you kept alive?

Seventeen.... Go look them up

 

I only come to this thread a month ago to defend my research, the numbers were already way up there

And what a stellar job you've done. (Especially when you were insulting it warmed the that Black spot in my heart.

 

how many threads have you "kept alive"

Is the repetition one of those super sneaky thingamuhbob ways to totally bamboozle the snot out of me?

i keep responding to honest queries here -

Thank you for recognizing my query as being honest. For I truly was.

what was your point?

Obviously it was too complex

 

and please do not take my query wrong as well

Wouldn't dream of it.

Keep on truckin

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PS. I'm not going to stop contributing to my own post so you can try to prove a point

 

How about money then? Did you miss my offer above?

[BLBcomics-migration]

i have no bones to pick around with you - i came onto this thread after it had been ongoing for a couple months because there were some who were besmirching my research. Some one might even say insulting along the way. Got here, read parts of the thread, began responding to those like for like -

 

The "devoted...lives to figuring out..." re Obadiah research was done almost a decade ago.

 

And it has taken some of the listers here that much time to catch up

 

All i am doing here is defending that research

 

Are we having fun yet?

[showcase4]

PS. I'm not going to stop contributing to my own post so you can try to prove a point

 

How about money then? Did you miss my offer above?

 

Oh yeah...the money. How about this--I'll become inactive on this post for 10 days to see if it winds down or not, and if I win, you send me $20,000. That way I can get my money back for that worthless 1842 "cartoon book" I bought last year

[infinite_comics-migration]

PS. I'm not going to stop contributing to my own post so you can try to prove a point

 

How about money then? Did you miss my offer above?

 

Oh yeah...the money. How about this--I'll become inactive on this post for 10 days to see if it winds down or not, and if I win, you send me $20,000. That way I can get my money back for that worthless 1842 "cartoon book" I bought last year

 

Hey, you were the one who proclaimed "If Bob and I were to stop typing...it would live on ", not me.

Over here it's called "put up or shut up."

But we already can tell you're a hypocrite, so what did I expect...

[Comicdey]

PS. I'm not going to stop contributing to my own post so you can try to prove a point

 

How about money then? Did you miss my offer above?

 

Oh yeah...the money. How about this--I'll become inactive on this post for 10 days to see if it winds down or not, and if I win, you send me $20,000. That way I can get my money back for that worthless 1842 "cartoon book" I bought last year

 

I'd take the offer Infinity if I were you......all the thread has to do is "wind down"......without a few posters.....it will be doing just that.

[showcase4]

Oh yeah...the money. How about this--I'll become inactive on this post for 10 days to see if it winds down or not, and if I win, you send me $20,000. That way I can get my money back for that worthless 1842 "cartoon book" I bought last year

 

Hey, you were the one who proclaimed "If Bob and I were to stop typing...it would live on ", not me.

Over here it's called "put up or shut up."

But we already can tell you're a hypocrite, so what did I expect...

 

you are becoming an annoying little pesk. Just how can you tell" I'm a hypocrite"....please site examples, aside from the fact that I would not become inactive on my own post for the sake of you.

Enlighten us all on your sixth sense

[infinite_comics-migration]

PS. I'm not going to stop contributing to my own post so you can try to prove a point

 

How about money then? Did you miss my offer above?

 

Oh yeah...the money. How about this--I'll become inactive on this post for 10 days to see if it winds down or not, and if I win, you send me $20,000. That way I can get my money back for that worthless 1842 "cartoon book" I bought last year

 

I'd take the offer Infinity if I were you......all the thread has to do is "wind down"......without a few posters.....it will be doing just that.

 

He didn't tell me what I'd get plus Bob would never agree.

But yeah, I'm just as guilty for bumping this thread. Letting it die would deflate this person_who_is_obnoxiously_self-impressed. So be it.

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[ I'm just as guilty for bumping this thread. Letting it die would deflate this person_who_is_obnoxiously_self-impressed. .

 

I'm sure you mother would be proud of you for this...if you knew who she was

[BLBcomics-migration]

Third time out for this post:

 

Quote:

 

Hi Steve

 

Nope, my post was more so directed at Bill P, i used the quick reply, which i guess leads one to seem like replying to whomever had the last previous post.

 

I would say the list you provided, gleaned from the beginning stuff in Overstreet, is predicated on value, not historical significance, the latter of which is my only criteria as i developed the history articles which front the Vict, Plat and "Modern" comic book price indexes.

 

Some fool keeps bandying about the term "arrogant" which is laughable at best. I am merely supremely confidant in the research i have conducted which has taken me far beyond the scope of what most have delved into re the archeology of all things comics. Anyone proves me wrong, and i will be the first to change the program.

 

There is decades of myth yet to undo which is still taken as gospel

 

I remember the days back in the 1980s when Marvel ruled supreme - and Marvel (Mystery) Comics #1 was considered the most valuable of all comic books - and the debates raged over whether the Oct or Nov 1939 issue was scarcer than the other.

 

Times changed, DC with Action #1 was of late anointed supreme comic book, the value keeps climbing, and lately, the mythos has moved the time line to have Action #1 as the beginning of the "Golden" Age of comicbooks.

 

Not that long ago, it just wasn't so, Joe.

 

Famous Funnies #1 news stand edition was considered the beginning of the "Golden" Age

 

For me, the "Golden" Age of comics begins with the likes of Little Nemo, Krazy Kat, and a host of other classic strips - as i do not limit myself to the narrow delivery venue of comics magazines. One could toss in Yellow Kid, Katzenjammer Kids, Buster Brown, Mutt & Jeff, Bringing Up Father, Gumps, and 100s of other comic strips.

 

The "Golden" Age of heroes in comics begins with Buck Rogers, Tarzan, Popeye, Flash Gordon, Phantom, Prince valiant - all before Superman

 

And comics ruled supreme with those heroes in the eyes and soul of America before Superman came along on the set - read and enjoyed by millions upon millions more Americans than any single comicbook(magazine) ever published.

 

I have been dealing with the re-education of American comicbook collectors for a decade now. What has transpired on this CGC thread is nothing new. There are always a few who will not budge no matter what is shown to them. So, could some one respond the above data rather than deflect attention spans away from what i wrote above

 

[mica]

i have no bones to pick around with you -

Fantastic. Just so you know for clarification sake. I put forth a hypothesis that this subject/thread would not survive long if it weren't for certain situations.

It was a disagreement to your earlier feelings that this was a popular topic based on responses and number of views.

 

I still feel the same way. As far as you not having any bones to pick with me it appeared you were disagreeing. Showcase took slight offense to my post and I think you also weighed in. No problem.

[BLBcomics-migration]

Been stopping every so often processing a near-complete ACG collection i picked up, look up here again, see your post, and ask YOU, what do you think of the thoughts encapsulated in my post right above yours. I have posted this 3 times, and each time distracting posts appear

 

I was bringing the OO vs Supes name of this thread back on topic - and wondering if there is any one who can refute what Post #1362852 - Tue Aug 22 2006 04:39 PM has to say

[ciorac]

 

There would be no industry called comic books today were it not for the superheroes. At least not one important enough to debate about.

 

So Obadiah may well be the first comic book, and if it is...then it is truly an important piece of Americana. And as such worthy of respect and admiration.

 

But, my LAST comments on this subject are that for the above reasons and ALL the others I have attempted to get you to understand, Action #1 clearly is more important than any other comic book including Obadiah. Clearly. Not open to interpretation, not subject to intelligent logical debate, it simply IS.

 

To the suprise possibly of many of you, I would have to say this is undeniably the case. I obviously love and am thrilled to own my copies of Obadiah Oldbuck. The reason that Oldbuck is such a mega-key in the Victorian Age market is because it is crowned as the 1st known American comic book. Taking that to the next level, the reason the 1st comic book is a big deal, is because comic books are a big deal. Action 1 is the single force that triggered the popularity explosion that has lasted for 68 years now, and growing every year...therefore, it is the key book that popularized the entire comic book world. Obadiah was the spark, and Action 1 was the fuel that have kept the fires burning all these years.

 

Again, I am proud of you! My chest is bursting with pride Showcase. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Now talk some sense into Bob.