Obadiah Oldbuck vs. Superman

[Aman619]

thanx for the info. Seems in the earliest days, there was already a penciller/inker arrangement going on. Artist draws the images and a craftsman recreates it as an etchging or a woodblock. cool.

[Forbush-Man]

The History of Comic Books

From Mary Bellis,

Your Guide to Inventors.

 

Richard Outcault's Yellow Kid was the first comic strip to use balloons.

According to many experts, the precursors to modern comics were the satirical works of artists like Rudolph Töpffer, Wilhelm Bush, Christophe, or Angelo Agostini (first Brazilian comic artist).

 

Rudolph Töpffer - Birth of the Graphic Novel

In 1827, Switzerland's Rudolphe Töpffer created a comic strip and continued on to publish seven graphic novels. In 1837, "The Adventures of Obadiah Oldbuck" was published by Rudolphe Töpffer and it is considered the earliest known comic book. In 1842, "The Adventures of Obadiah Oldbuck" became the first comic book published in the United States.

 

"Obadiah Oldbuck" was a forty page book. Each page had several picture panels with accompanying text underneath.

 

Wilhelm Bush

In 1859, German poet and artist, Wilhelm Bush published caricatures in the newspaper Fliegende Blätter. In 1865, he published a famous comic called "Max und Moritz".

 

Yellow Kid

The 1895 "Yellow Kid" created by Richard Outcault has often been cited as being the first comic strip. The reason being is that Richard Outcault was the first artist to use the balloon, an outlined space on the page where what the characters spoke was written. However, comic strips and comic books were published before "Yellow Kid" debuted in the New York City newspaper "The World".

 

Are Comic Books Funny?

Around 1900, the terms "comics" and "comic strip" came into common use in the United States. Where did the word come from? The strips of pictures being printed in magazines and newspapers at that time were all funny or comic. At first newspaper comic strips were called "the funnies" and later the term comics became more popular. Early American comic books were often collections of reprints of newspaper comic strips.

 

Brenda Starr

On June 19, 1940, "Brenda Starr" the first cartoon strip written by a woman was published in Chicago.

 

Mad Magazine

American publisher, William Gaines started Mad magazine in 1952, a popular and satirical monthly comic book.

 

A Tidbit of Comic Book History

In 1754, Benjamin Franklin created the first editorial cartoon published in an American newspaper. Franklin's cartoon was an illustration of a snake with a severed head and had the printed words "Join, or Die." The cartoon was intended to goad the different colonies into joining what was to become the United States.

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page 8 from the 1842 Obadiah oldbuck comic book

 

Hey Bob....nice!

Just think of how ahead of his time Topffer was, creating comic books in the early/mid 19th century. Think how experimentally bold Brother Jonathan was for printing this sequential art/text based work, after previously reprinting European novels in their prior Extra supplements. Imagine how this must have looked to the New Yorkers who read this back in 1842. It all started here...just amazing

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the USA edition used the original Tilt & Bogue printing plates made in 1841 and brought over on the very first cross Atlantic steam ship, IIRC, called Great Eastern

 

so, if that ship had gone down, there'd be no comicbooks in America!!

 

well, i wouldn't go quite that far -

 

There were a lot of comics creators in Europe doing their thing with many of them directly inspired by Topffer - it was only a matter of time before some of them came over across the pond and set up shop.

 

If the ship had gone down, then Cruikshank's Bachelor's Own Book, or Topffer's Bachelor Butterfly also debuted in the 1840s printed in America.

 

It was the litho-technology which drove the evolution of the comic strip - that is why Topffer became known in many countries in the 1830s 1840s and then his son began his reprint projects in teh 1860s and Topffer has never really been out of print since. His two USA comic books were in print for sale in NYC as late as 1904

 

bob

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thanx for the info. Seems in the earliest days, there was already a penciller/inker arrangement going on. Artist draws the images and a craftsman recreates it as an etchging or a woodblock. cool.

 

That's is one of the things i noticed as well as i have learned the evolution of the printing technology. Before the advent of photo litho type printing, Most artists were only as good as their woodcut or metal etcher "inker"

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The History of Comic Books

From Mary Bellis,

Your Guide to Inventors.

 

Richard Outcault's Yellow Kid was the first comic strip to use balloons.

According to many experts, the precursors to modern comics were the satirical works of artists like Rudolph Töpffer, Wilhelm Bush, Christophe, or Angelo Agostini (first Brazilian comic artist).

 

Rudolph Töpffer - Birth of the Graphic Novel

In 1827, Switzerland's Rudolphe Töpffer created a comic strip and continued on to publish seven graphic novels. In 1837, "The Adventures of Obadiah Oldbuck" was published by Rudolphe Töpffer and it is considered the earliest known comic book. In 1842, "The Adventures of Obadiah Oldbuck" became the first comic book published in the United States.

 

"Obadiah Oldbuck" was a forty page book. Each page had several picture panels with accompanying text underneath.

 

Wilhelm Bush

In 1859, German poet and artist, Wilhelm Bush published caricatures in the newspaper Fliegende Blätter. In 1865, he published a famous comic called "Max und Moritz".

 

Yellow Kid

The 1895 "Yellow Kid" created by Richard Outcault has often been cited as being the first comic strip. The reason being is that Richard Outcault was the first artist to use the balloon, an outlined space on the page where what the characters spoke was written. However, comic strips and comic books were published before "Yellow Kid" debuted in the New York City newspaper "The World".

 

Are Comic Books Funny?

Around 1900, the terms "comics" and "comic strip" came into common use in the United States. Where did the word come from? The strips of pictures being printed in magazines and newspapers at that time were all funny or comic. At first newspaper comic strips were called "the funnies" and later the term comics became more popular. Early American comic books were often collections of reprints of newspaper comic strips.

 

Brenda Starr

On June 19, 1940, "Brenda Starr" the first cartoon strip written by a woman was published in Chicago.

 

Mad Magazine

American publisher, William Gaines started Mad magazine in 1952, a popular and satirical monthly comic book.

 

A Tidbit of Comic Book History

In 1754, Benjamin Franklin created the first editorial cartoon published in an American newspaper. Franklin's cartoon was an illustration of a snake with a severed head and had the printed words "Join, or Die." The cartoon was intended to goad the different colonies into joining what was to become the United States.

 

1) FALSE Word balloons first started being used as early as 450 AD. Outcault was far from being the first one to use word balloons. But then, they cite earlier uses of word balloons before RFO

 

Brenda Starr is not the first comic strip by a woman

 

That honor goes to:

 

WOMAN IN SEARCH OF HER RIGHTS, THE ADVENTURES OF (G)

Lee & Shepard, Boston And New York: early 1850s (8-3/8x13”, 40 pgs, hard-c)

By Florence Claxton (scarce) 300.00 600.00 1000.00

NOTE: Earliest known original comic book sequential story by a woman; contains “nearly 100 original drawings by the author, which have been reproduced in fac-simile by the graphotype process of engraving.” Tinted two color lithography; orange tint printed first, thenprinted 2nd time with black ink; early women’s sufferage.

 

and the earliest newspaper comic strips by a woman i know of were by Edwina, who began as early as 1916 drawing a strip called "Cap" Stubbs and Tippie.

 

In NEMO #25 April 1987, Rick Marschall and Bill Janocha interviewed her as she was still at work, observing her 70th year at the drawing board

 

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page 8 from the 1842 Obadiah oldbuck comic book

 

Hey Bob....nice!

Just think of how ahead of his time Topffer was, creating comic books in the early/mid 19th century. Think how experimentally bold Brother Jonathan was for printing this sequential art/text based work, after previously reprinting European novels in their prior Extra supplements. Imagine how this must have looked to the New Yorkers who read this back in 1842. It all started here...just amazing

 

Topffer was indeed ahead of his time, and as his work was disseminated in various countries, as the technology of lithography spread, his comic books became the spark which ignited comic strip industries in quite a few countries.

 

And Brother Jonathan's comic book Obadiah Oldbuck inspired American creators to come up with their own comic strip books, no doubt about it

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There were a lot of comics creators in Europe doing their thing with many of them directly inspired by Topffer - it was only a matter of time before some of them came over across the pond and set up shop.

FALSE. Comic books didn't exist back then. They were books of pictures with narrations under them. Much different than an actual comic book.

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Rudolph Töpffer - Birth of the Graphic Novel

In 1827, Switzerland's Rudolphe Töpffer created a comic strip and continued on to publish seven graphic novels. In 1837, "The Adventures of Obadiah Oldbuck" was published by Rudolphe Töpffer and it is considered the earliest known comic book. In 1842, "The Adventures of Obadiah Oldbuck" became the first comic book published in the United States.

 

Actually, one spells his name Rodolphe

 

They have his name mis-spelled, or you transcribed it wrong

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Rudolph Töpffer - Birth of the Graphic Novel

In 1827, Switzerland's Rudolphe Töpffer created a comic strip and continued on to publish seven graphic novels. In 1837, "The Adventures of Obadiah Oldbuck" was published by Rudolphe Töpffer and it is considered the earliest known comic book. In 1842, "The Adventures of Obadiah Oldbuck" became the first comic book published in the United States.

 

Actually, one spells his name Rodolphe

 

They have his name mis-spelled, or you transcribed it wrong

There are some facts wrong in your post or you just transcribed it wrong. "The Adventure of Obadiah Oldbuck" was not a comic book. It was a book of pictures with narrations under them. Comic books didn't come along until later.

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those are comics magazines

 

incorrect. THIS is a comics magazine:

 

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Page 28 from the 1842 Obadiah Oldbuck,America's first comic strip book

 

One can read the entire 40 page story in the below out of print gem, email me for details as i have a very few left:

 

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SSOC surely is a comics magazine

 

so is Superman #1

 

both are folded over wrap saddle stitched around flimsy pamphlets -

 

magazines with different height & width

[ShoNuff-migration]

Page 28 from the 1842 Obadiah Oldbuck,America's first comic strip book

 

One can read the entire 40 page story in the below out of print gem, email me for details as i have a very few left:

That's a cool reprint of a book of pictures.

 

However, here's a scan of a real comic book.

 

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Bill,

everything posted recently are ALL comic books

 

under that heading comes a great many formats, sizes,

 

why did you feel compelled to post SSOC #1?

 

insecure ?

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SSOC surely is a comics magazine

 

so is Superman #1

 

both are folded over wrap saddle stitched around flimsy pamphlets -

 

magazines with different height & width

Incorrect again.

 

SSOC is a comics magazine.

 

Superman #1 is a comic book

 

Obadiah Oldbuck in a book of pictures with narrations under them.

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jeeeepers creeeepers

 

never saw a Superman 3 befo'

 

Superman dun kidnapped that po chile

 

thanks for posting

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Bill,

 

why did you feel compelled to post SSOC #1?

 

insecure ?

He obviously just did it to point out another one of your hugely blatant errors.

[ShoNuff-migration]

jeeeepers creeeepers

 

never saw a Superman 3 befo'

 

Superman dun kidnapped that po chile

 

thanks for posting

You're welcome. I also appreciate you posting all of your non-comic Obadiah Oldbuck stuff in here so we can see the difference between it and a real comic book.

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i bow down to your superior intellect

 

you have obviously done a tremendous amount of research

 

you should publish your own price guide

 

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