Obadiah Oldbuck vs. Superman

[showcase4]

 

Me on the other hand, a poor, struggling mortgage loan officer, has to limit my purchases to what I know I can easliy turn over because I may need the cash to stay afloat...that's one of the drawbacks to being broke...you can't buy whatever you like!

 

 

Let's see you easily turn over those 2 illustrated pamphlets from 1842 that you paid $40k for!

 

[Apotheosis]

Yes, but you can play this game by a different set of rules......as a high powered lawyer and owner of Esquire Comics, you have the luxury and deep pockets to buy what you like without concern of how or where to sell, because you don't have to sell !

 

Me on the other hand, a poor, struggling mortgage loan officer, has to limit my purchases to what I know I can easliy turn over because I may need the cash to stay afloat...that's one of the drawbacks to being broke...you can't buy whatever you like!

 

 

That's the funniest post I've read in a while. Poor? You bought two "graphic novels" at $20k a pop (which you've reminded us ad nauseam, please stop) and you claim poor? Find me another poor person that has $40k of dispossible income to buy... well... anything.

 

Honestly I'm surprised that this thread is still going. There hasn't been any "new" information for the last 1,000 posts. It's just a rehash or re-wording of what you've already talked about. Don't get me wrong, there has been some great info in here, but that walked out the door a while ago.

[esquirecomics]

Look at the resistance and lack of acceptance Obadiah Oldbuck from the US has received on this post....just imagine if it was printed in French!

 

HEY, I bought a French version of Topfer, and I am very happy with it, thank you very much!

 

Yes, but you can play this game by a different set of rules......as a high powered lawyer and owner of Esquire Comics, you have the luxury and deep pockets to buy what you like without concern of how or where to sell, because you don't have to sell !

 

Me on the other hand, a poor, struggling mortgage loan officer, has to limit my purchases to what I know I can easliy turn over because I may need the cash to stay afloat...that's one of the drawbacks to being broke...you can't buy whatever you like!

 

Cheapskate, the book was only $250. You're just anti-French.

[Theagenes]

Honestly I'm surprised that this thread is still going. There hasn't been any "new" information for the last 1,000 posts. It's just a rehash or re-wording of what you've already talked about. Don't get me wrong, there has been some great info in here, but that walked out the door a while ago.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing this thread continue at least as a place to post newly acquired Victorian comics. I know this the GA forum, but I don't think one thread dedicated to Victorian comics is a big deal. There's a Platinum thread so why not a Victorian one.

[showcase4]

Honestly I'm surprised that this thread is still going.

 

Really...well apparently 20,000 views of this thread within 4 months would prove otherwise

 

hasn't been any "new" information for the last 1,000 posts.

 

you mean like the several auction results posted, books suggested, contributions from established national collectors, historians, dealers, and quotes from some of the industry's top experts, all posted within the past 1,000 responses to this thread?...yeah, you're right...that wouldn't qualiy as "new" information.

 

 

there has been some great info in here, but that walked out the door a while ago.

 

No, apparently you walked out the door a while ago, while the rest of us were having a healthy debate regarding the origins of the comic book and comics history

[ciorac]

 

I know Bob, but it is still fun to you once in a while!

 

and likewise, and would love to sell you my un-restored decent copy of AA 19 furthering my ability to get my history book done - i'll even reduce the price

 

and in the meantime, the bantering about old comics here is a mostly welcome respite

 

I look at the Gulf Coast, Fema style promises made, and i went thru the first Fema disaster house call they ever made to all of northern California back in Feb 1986 -

 

did i want to sell my OOs, and other treasures over the years, nope, of course not, as i had built my comics company to have about 80% of all comic books published from 1933 up, every Marvel and DC from 1960 constantly stocked in depth with at least a dozen FF #1 at any one time

 

i will never get back to where i was, and i know i have generated some animosity due to conservative lack of wanting to see proper changes to the evolutionary concepts of where the comic book came form - i truly do not see why there is resistance to Spock Logic (a term i have been using for some time) examination of the facts of a 164 year old comic book business in America.

 

And the passion of interest in having a well ordered comics universe is unsettling to some when that apple cart gets shaken a bit - but my view is the universe is an expanding one - and some times the DNA info got lost - and science comes into get the time line correct once again

 

I have been simply building the history archeology engaged by previous generations - as reading fine classic comics is a decent way to leave something behind - and interpreting the sometimes in new views of how it came about.

 

I first learned that history is sometimes skewed over generations when i learned Custer's mission was Indian genocide - Custer's Last Stand was taught differently when i was younger

 

I just updated my want list to reflect that I have found an AA 17 and 19. Still need 18 and 20 though....

 

If you want to get an up close look at disaster, come on down and I'll drive you down what was once 26 miles of beautiful beaches lined with 165 year old homes, nice hotels, casinos, restaurants, parks, stores, etc. Now it is 26 miles of rubble. Nothing on this scale has happened in this country in my lifetime.

 

But, somehow my comics survived!

[Scrooge]

Honestly I'm surprised that this thread is still going.

 

Really...well apparently 20,000 views of this thread within 4 months would prove otherwise

 

Well, considering how chatty you guys are and how I hate to see an unread thread in the GA forum, I probably account for a good 500 to 750 views and I don't always read what I see. That's not true interest.

[BLBcomics-migration]

If you want to get an up close look at disaster, come on down and I'll drive you down what was once 26 miles of beautiful beaches lined with 165 year old homes, nice hotels, casinos, restaurants, parks, stores, etc. Now it is 26 miles of rubble. Nothing on this scale has happened in this country in my lifetime.

 

But, somehow my comics survived!

 

I might just take you up on this concept, as i am truly troubled for our country being in the hands of those currently running the dog & pony show

 

whenever i view Katrina stuff, i flashback to the ware house flood my comics company experienced back in 1986, destroying my way of life and altering forever my level of involvement in this fantastic hobby

 

FEMA? A joke, most Gulf Coasters will go thru what i went thru with them - zip, nada

[mica]

Honestly I'm surprised that this thread is still going.

 

Really...well apparently 20,000 views of this thread within 4 months would prove otherwise

 

Well, considering how chatty you guys are and how I hate to see an unread thread in the GA forum, I probably account for a good 500 to 750 views and I don't always read what I see. That's not true interest.

Those numbers are probably about accurate for my viewing as well.

 

50 of my times were just to see what ShoNuff was doing.

As I stated earlier, many of the views of fellow forum members early on were to see something about Superman because he's in the title.

Whether Steve likes to admit it or not almost half of the views are generated by his own self.

Hopefully he won't take that wrong, just putting that magic number of VIEWS into perspective.

The Golden Age forum is a well read forum to begin with... .And it keeps getting bumped.

Some of the best pages of this thread are images that have nothing to do with Superman or Obadiah.

Any thread that has a Keep On Truckin image in it is bound to get looked at a few times.

 

So to recap..... the page views are nothing to get all excited about.

If you just absolutely have to mention numbers then yak about the responses.

But feel free to post more scans.

[showcase4]

i am truly troubled for our country being in the hands of those currently running the dog & pony show

 

 

Watch it Beerbohm!

You mentioned several times previously that The Yellow Kid was the "1st at nothing", and now you are bashing the Conservative Party. A non-Yellow Kid loving Liberal may not be welcome for long on this post

[BLBcomics-migration]

i am truly troubled for our country being in the hands of those currently running the dog & pony show

 

 

Watch it Beerbohm!

You mentioned several times previously that The Yellow Kid was the "1st at nothing", and now you are bashing the Conservative Party. A non-Yellow Kid loving Liberal may not be welcome for long on this post

 

I love Yellow Kid, i used to own the first 4 YK Sunday NY World tear sheets from 1895, given to me by Ernie McGee from his triplicates back in 1971

 

- and studied YK many a time at Bill Blackbeard's San Francisco Academy of Comic Art, among many an other strip in his near-complete archives beginning circa 1973 onwards for a couple decades. His run came from Jack Herbert who bought it from Ernie McGee's daughters

 

- and I used to swallow the myth re YK being the first comic strip and RF Outcault being the inventor of the comic strip. USA comic character super star, yes, First, no.

 

As well as Funnies On Parade being the first comicbook

 

And Action #1 beginning some sort of "Golden" era of comicbooks - this last one i could get behind way faster than the previous two concepts

 

I place both myths of YK and FoP in with all those imminent danger WMD in Iraq, and chalk it up to faulty intel. and all faulty intel eventually gets uncovered and exposed for what it is

 

Re the number of posts, then the math of a few here indicates that maybe 30 people have been viewing this thread all along, with just 29 people before i got here a month or so ago

[BLBcomics-migration]

Here is something from American News Trade Journal Feb 1921 concerning circulations of comic books. This the the earliest advert for a comic book from EmBee, publisher the following year in 1922 of the first monthly news stand comic book, COMIC MONTHLY

 

I have a lot more of this kind of stuff going into my comics history book. Comic books were huge sellers before Funnies On Parade and/or Famous Funnies came on the scene the next decade:

 

 

[showcase4]

Here is something from American News Trade Journal Feb 1921 concerning circulations of comic books. This the the earliest advert for a comic book from EmBee, publisher the following year in 1922 of the first monthly news stand comic book, COMIC MONTHLY

 

I have a lot more of this kind of stuff going into my comics history book. Comic books were huge sellers before Funnies On Parade and/or Famous Funnies came on the scene the next decade:

 

 

 

Bob,

Nice rear ! ( cover, that is )

[BLBcomics-migration]

The Bringing Up Father and Katz kids comic book ad is not the back cover, but rather, page 13 from inside this industry trade journal which was published from 1919 thru 1957 - and i have a complete run of it for research on my comics history book

 

I have tons of this kind of stuff i have collected together for a long time now in preparation of writing my comics business history book - up thru the 1980s

 

This is why i need to be able to take a year off to devote to finishing up my book, not having to spend time mercantiling old comic books and related material for a living

[Aman619]

what issue number was BUF at when they announced 1.5 million b/w books sold? Since its an advertisment/inducement to order, I expect it means the grand total of ALL b/w printings to date, not that each issue sold that many. right?

[BLBcomics-migration]

what issue number was BUF at when they announced 1.5 million b/w books sold? Since its an advertisment/inducement to order, I expect it means the grand total of ALL b/w printings to date, not that each issue sold that many. right?

 

that was 2.5 million sold, not a paltry 1.5 mil

 

this issue of American News Trade Journal is dated Feb 1921

 

BUF 1 1919

BUF 2 1919

BUF 3 1919

BUF 4 1921

BUF 5 1921

BUF 6 1922

BUF 7 1923

BUF 8 1924

 

My guess that since the ANC trade journal is dated so early in 1921, it probably came out in January and was worked in late 1920, that the sales quoted were from the first 3 issues only.

 

Yes, it is an accumulated sale, so divide 2.5 mil by 3 and one comes out with an average of over 800,000 per number sold - and i have variant editions to know that reprints were common on some of these C&L comic books.

 

The first few Mutt & Jeff C&L issues also sold in similar numbers

 

i keep trying to teach here and else where that the earlier comic books sold in huge numbers as comparable to most anything the FoP format model in the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s produced in sales figures. At least the long lived series seem to indicate such sales

[Aman619]

there a fewer diferent books published then, so the numbers may be higher on each. 800K is quite a lot though.

[BLBcomics-migration]

Well, the population was a lot less as well

 

- there were no freeways back then, remember this was when MacArthur and Eisenhower took the US Army from East Coast to the West Coast and it took 3 months to get there

 

- so, distribution was more of a chore i might suspect, than just 17 years later when Action #1 debuted

 

Here is a map of the distribution centers of The American News Company in 1921 page 21

 

Please note that Cleveland Ohio is listed here as being in the west

 

[showcase4]

This is the interior of a Brother Jonathan ( Oldbuck's publisher ) newspaper from the mid 1840's. Please note the wide scale use of comic art, which was typical for other Brother Jonathan newspaper copies from this time period..most were loaded with art just like this one...........

 

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front covers of several 1840's Brother Jonathan newspapers - again, please note the very large use of space dedicated to art vs. text