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Collectibles of the Future?

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jduran1

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Comics will evolve to becoming masterpieces like the great paintings and will be bought like stock for investments versus for nostalgic reasons. Comic book art will evolve to that status a lot sooner.......................

 

By all that is holy, please tell me you aren't really a financial advisor. foreheadslap.gif

 

I am a CFO and CPA but what does that have to do with anything 27_laughing.gif

 

JC has PMd me to do his taxes and advice him about the future.................

 

Just read what I said earlier and really think about it. This is truely what will evolve..............................In 2026 a VF copy of Action 1 will be under glass in the Geppi museum for all the world to see. Like the Mona Lisa it will be too important for any one person to own it.........................It will of course have no price associated with it because it is "priceless"

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My generation was right on the cusp so all three were popular (til the 90s crash came ) Games and figures are fledgling hobbies both at this point but lots of three and four figure sales already. I think its entirely likely that those hobbies, or hobbies like them, will gain some serious steam. There's a lot of GI Joe/ transformer nerds out there

 

As you know, I've spent the last few weeks swimming in nostalgia.

 

Collecting will be around for our generation at least. wink.gif

 

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Thought it might be fun to add pics of or links to the possibilities we're coming up with.

 

Megatron on ebay ]

 

Unopened Mario World 2

 

A drop in the G.I Joe bucket. I'm not going to comment on future values, but these are not being bought by people in their 50s. The average Joe collector is in their late 20's and early 30's.

 

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Transformers is a lot crazier.

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i dont see any thing wrong with collecting G. I Joes i have a big collect of loose Star wars and G.I Joes. I have all ways liked them but i dont buy them any more cause i have just about all the loose ones so i moved onto comics a long time ago.

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Go talk to a 12 year old. See what he/she likes and wants to get. That's what will be collected in 2031. The rule of 25 is ironclad and never fails.

 

But it has to be something that has a significant shelf life to have that effect.

 

I disagree, all is needed is a fond memory and a desire to repossess it!

 

Agreed but that fond memory and strong desire usually go hand in hand with products that were around for more than just a blip in time.

 

The original run of G.I Joe (ARAH) was the longest running toy line from the 80's, going from 1982 to 1994 straight, then returning in 1997-1998, and again in 2000-present. That's a lot of nostalgia.

 

Transformers are also still going strong and a movie is coming.

 

As for video games.....it's obvious.

 

Collecting is a behaviour and it isn't going anywhere. That's not to say that anything mentioned here will soar in value necessarily, but the "collecting bug" will continue to afflict future generations regardless of what is actually being collected.

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Since I work with children and youth, I have good sense on what will be a collectible in the future.

 

1. Toys - It will always be the number one collectible

 

2. Video Games - Once the era of comic book movies is over, video game movies will be next. That is going to get this genaration buying old video games and systems.

 

3. The Simpsons - The best tv show for this generation.

 

4. Sport Clothing and Running Shoes - Collectible hats, jerseys, running shoes, etc... Just ask the youth!!

 

Note: The comic book industry will die out but not completely. Marvel and DC is doing a good enough job to keep children and youth interested. The comic book industry has one more generation left. 20 years it will be dead but not because of lack of interest. Everything will be digital or online by then. (Example: In Japan, Magna comic books can be downloaded to your cell phone or computer. Thier goal is phase out printing of magna comic books within a decade.

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Bronty

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. There's a lot of GI Joe/ transformer nerds out there

 

 

insane.gif And you know I had you in mind (in a good way) when I made that comment wink.gif

 

congrats on all your new purchases! acclaim.gif

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My generation was right on the cusp so all three were popular (til the 90s crash came ) Games and figures are fledgling hobbies both at this point but lots of three and four figure sales already. I think its entirely likely that those hobbies, or hobbies like them, will gain some serious steam. There's a lot of GI Joe/ transformer nerds out there

 

As you know, I've spent the last few weeks swimming in nostalgia.

 

Collecting will be around for our generation at least. wink.gif

 

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Man, those are great!!!! 893applaud-thumb.gif

 

I'm guessing that either Storm Shadow or the original Snake Eyes bring the most money? Surprised original Cobra Commander was that much less than Storm Shadow. He was always tough to find back in the day.

 

Is the Hooded CC worth more (since you had to send away for it)?

 

What other Joes bring big $$$? I'd guess Firefly would be pretty far up.

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If western culture were left alone then sure I think collecting would continue for a few hundred years, maybe even longer.

 

This makes a lot of sense to me.

Collecting will continue – ever fragmenting and splintering into smaller niche areas for decades to come. There will be a point however (30/40 years) that all of the items mentioned in this thread will have little or no value because those that will be participating in silly dollar spending will have no interest in them.

Of course that won’t matter to most of you - but it will to your children.

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My generation was right on the cusp so all three were popular (til the 90s crash came ) Games and figures are fledgling hobbies both at this point but lots of three and four figure sales already. I think its entirely likely that those hobbies, or hobbies like them, will gain some serious steam. There's a lot of GI Joe/ transformer nerds out there

 

As you know, I've spent the last few weeks swimming in nostalgia.

 

Collecting will be around for our generation at least. wink.gif

 

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Man, those are great!!!! 893applaud-thumb.gif

 

I'm guessing that either Storm Shadow or the original Snake Eyes bring the most money? Surprised original Cobra Commander was that much less than Storm Shadow. He was always tough to find back in the day.

 

Is the Hooded CC worth more (since you had to send away for it)?

 

What other Joes bring big $$$? I'd guess Firefly would be pretty far up.

 

Chris, don't go entirely by those auctions. Like comics, MOC Joes vary wildly in price depending on grade. The Cobra Commander I got was less than the Storm Shadow I got because the Storm Shadow is a higher grade and it's graded. But as I said, the market is all over the place. Because the collectors are in our age group(20's/early 30's) there aren't a lot of "big" buyers out there right now, as many collectors don't have the money and are collecting loose. Many of them want to "step up" to MOC, and I suspect they will down the road. Those few who have the cash(that I've spoken to) have obtained most of the valuable pieces and are out of the game. There dosen't seem to be many hoarders, flippers, or "dealers" around, unlike comics.

 

Here's a run down of the most valuable figures MOC, in order, based on overall sales and not freak grades;

 

1. Snake Eyes version 1

2. Cobra Commander

3 Firefly

4 Snake Eyes version 2(w/timber wolf)

5 Storm Shadow

6 Major Bludd

7 Destro

8 Duke

 

The rest are too close to rank, but pretty much every figure from series 1-4(82' to 85') has significant value($200+) in HG. Other notables would be Scarlett, Blowtorch, Tomax/Xamot double pack, Cobra Officer, Baroness, Scrap Iron, SnowJob and Spirit. Series 6 and onward see DRASTIC price drops, as they're much more common.

 

As for the hooded Cobra Commander, it's actually worth SIGNIFICANTLY less than the regular carded version(around $150 MIP). Mail-aways are suprisingly abundant, and I think this is due to a couple of Hasbro wharehouse finds.

 

I'm having a blast collecting these. There's a lot to it, particularly with boxed vehicles(which are pricey and VERY scarce), package variants, international package variants, store eclusives, etc... There are pieces out there that make most GA comics look common and that's not hyperbole. This toyline was MASSIVE as you know and most of it actually ended up in the hands of children.

 

If you or any other members are feeling nostalgic for Joes, feel free to PM me for more info.

 

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I'm having a blast collecting these. There's a lot to it, particularly with boxed vehicles(which are pricey and VERY scarce), package variants, international package variants, store eclusives, etc... There are pieces out there that make most GA comics look common and that's not hyperbole. This toyline was MASSIVE as you know and most of it actually ended up in the hands of children.

 

 

 

A couple of questions for you then..

 

- in stating that some pieces make GA comics look common... are you comparing population vs population or "MOC toys" vs GA comics? Just curious as I know from my own perspective collecting games, virtually all, even most of the scarcer ones, will have a production run of at least 10K. It wouldn't make sense to write the software otherwise. I would think the same would be true of the toys, that loose they could be found and would really only be comparable to GA when sealed. The other point that I always keep in mind is that we won't REALLY know how much is out there for years/decades yet so we really don't know if statements like that are hyperbole or not yet. Comics have had a LOT more time to "come out of the woodwork".

 

- re international variants - is there much of a market for these? Most international variant games (with some significant exceptions) are worth a lot less than the US counterparts, same as comics.

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- in stating that some pieces make GA comics look common... are you comparing population vs population or "MOC toys" vs GA comics? Just curious as I know from my own perspective collecting games, virtually all, even most of the scarcer ones, will have a production run of at least 10K. It wouldn't make sense to write the software otherwise. I would think the same would be true of the toys, that loose they could be found and would really only be comparable to GA when sealed. The other point that I always keep in mind is that we won't REALLY know how much is out there for years/decades yet so we really don't know if statements like that are hyperbole or not yet. Comics have had a LOT more time to "come out of the woodwork".

 

I'm definetly talking about MISB and MOC to scarcer GA books. The toys are out there in huge numbers and can be bought loose for VERY cheap. Hasbro has kept a tight lid on production numbers, but you can bet they're HUGE. You can even find them with their original box from time to time. But finding certain items with their original factory seals seems literally impossible. There are collectors who have been doing this for 10 years, a few of whom have deep pockets, and certain items have never been seen in their original sealed state, even though we know they existed(loose examples). The economic incentive is there, since many of these collectors are offering 100 - 500 times the original retail for these items, so either they're in the hands of hoarders who bought them off of the shelf in the early 80's and don't know their current value, or there are some wharehouse finds waiting to be uncovered.

 

The latter is possible but highly unlikely due to the fact that retail outlets and distributors wouldn't hold unsold merchandise in large quantites for 20 years. They would have moved it out for "clearance" prices, which is what they did. Also, this toyline was a huge seller in its early days which makes it even more unlikely that these have been sitting around all this time. There have been some finds, but it's all been from the 90's which is when the line started to decline, but no early stuff has been found.

 

As for hoarders buying off the shelves and holding them? Even more unlikely. I do think it's possible(even likely) for the figures and we may see this over time, but not for the large vehicles and playsets which is among the rarest stuff. There are some that have surfaced, but in very small numbers. Logistically speaking it dosen't make sense. There were a lot of large vehicles and playsets in the first couple of years, and considering the size of these things, you'd have to have a massive amount of space to store them for 20+ years. It's just highly unlikely that anyone did this in any significant quantity. And if they did, it would obviously have been for future resale, and we would have at least seen a few surface by now.

 

So can we know for sure? No. But if the number of sealed speciments of a certain piece that have come up for sale in the last 10 years is 0, or in the single digits, I think it's safe to say there aren't going to be too many popping up in the near future, especially considering how many of the figures and vehicles HAVE surfaced from later years. So why would the inexpensive stuff come up in such high numbers without the economic incentive, while the expensive, highly sought-after stuff stays hidden?

 

My main concern is not how scarce this stuff is, but whether or not they will survive another 20 years. There is a serious problem with the glue on these packages losing its adhesiveness and worse, the rubber o-rings used on these figures are snapping inside of the packages, so you have some carded items holding figures that are in pieces. O-Rings are an easy fix for loose items, but are obviously out of reach for sealed figures.

Proper storage will minimize it and there haven't been too many cases, but it is inevitable. Whether it happens in 5 years or 150, we can't really know.

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- re international variants - is there much of a market for these? Most international variant games (with some significant exceptions) are worth a lot less than the US counterparts, same as comics.

 

This question warranted a second post.

 

The variants that are in demand are the ones that are re-painted with original card artwork and character profiles that are completely unique to that country.

 

The following are from Argentina and Brazil:

 

This one is called "Cobra Mortal". There isn't even a complete packaged figure in the "Yo Joe" archive because they can't find one. This is a re-paint of snake eyes;

 

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Another re-painted Snake Eyes called "Cobra Invasor:

 

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"Glenda" is a re-painted Scarlett with new artwork;

 

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"Ninja-Ku" is a re-paint of Storm Shadow with new artwork;

 

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Another Storm Shadow re-paint "Cobra Satan";

 

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Another re-paint with original art "T.N.T"

 

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From Brazil, "Cobra De Aco", another one no one can locate sealed. Goes for a couple hundred bucks loose;

 

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And these are just a few examples. Anyone interested in more should search through the archives of yojoe.com, the best information resource on the web for this toy line.

 

I'm not done with the American series yet, so I haven't started on these. Pricing data is hard to find, and some I've never seen offered for sale. The "Ninja-Ku" and "Cobra Satan" are pretty available for some reason, and go for around $100 each MOC. "Cobra de aco", "Cobra Mortal", and "Cobra Invasor" I've never seen for sale MOC, and loose examples go for around $100-$200 or more depending on condition.

 

There are U.K versions of this line called "Action Force", Indian versions, German, etc...the list goes on and on.

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Thought it might be fun to add pics of or links to the possibilities we're coming up with.

 

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Unopened Mario World 2

 

Check this out Dan; One of the most elusive and infamous pieces in the entire line, and it should be interesting to see where it ends. The history behind this item is explained in the auction. I know this guy, and he's 100% legit;

 

Pimp Daddy Destro

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Thanks for the explanation and come to think of it, there are country specific games also worth money. I only collect sealed though, and those games weren't sealed in the typical way, so they are kind of off my radar. I think the Joe market is definitely ahead of the game market at this point - might be partly because of the grading service, but game sales over $500, while they do happen, don't seem to be as prevalent as the GI Joe auctions you're dropping links to. I sometimes see stuff that in my mind should go for more stop around 500 because that's where the collector wallets seem to tap out.

 

That pimp daddy destro is sweet laugh.gif Fur trim? The hell??? 27_laughing.gif

 

PS - I think we kind of hijacked this thread despite the fact that we're on topic.

 

Anyone else have input or are AK and I the only ones wise to the fact that a couple hundred bucks doesn't buy much of a comic anymore? poke2.gif

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