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Well, if that happens then I imagine the Church copy of Action 1 or even the Allentown copy of 'Tec 27 should be worth 8-figures or at least approaching that if we were ever that lucky as to see them hit the auction block in today's scorching red hot marketplace.

I am actually surprised that there's so many copies of this supposedly tough to find book in grade, with 3 of them already graded and slabbed in CGC 9.8 along with another 24 copies knocking right on its door in CGC 9.6 graded condition. Maybe any serious bidders should call up Fishler at Metro and go after the original art (without all of that fugly logo and crapola) for this cover here instead.

Except the main problem here is that you generally have the wrong set of eyeballs on eBay, as it's generally not the ones with the big wallets that's willing to open them nice and wide for you.

No, it'll most likely end up going to one of those CGC label chasers and they'll be totally ecstatic with their purchase thinking they got it for a whole whopping grand cheaper than it's original listing price. After all, isn't it all really to do with that big big number on the top left hand corner of the slab, and anything you see below the CGC label is completely irrelevant and should be totally ignored when it comes to a graded and slabbed book?

I think it simply means that the next nice copy of either Action 1 or 'Tec 27 to come out will end up beating whatever new record this copy of AF 15 manages to achieve in September.

Well, if you work on Wall Street and remember 1999 with fond memories, do you also have the same fond memories for what took place in the spring and summer of 2000?

Well, that's only 2 books there with the FF 48 and 49. Mine's was saying NO to paying $1,000 for a supposedly HG run of Spidey 2 through 10 (all becasue it was missing the Spidey 1) in the late 80's after an almost full decade of Marvel SA going absolutely nowhere, but just before they started their meteoric rise at the end of the 80's into the beginnings of the 90's. Not so much for what they would be worth nowadays as I know the books would simply still be sitting in my personal collection today if I had said Yes, but really more for the fact of all those key villian first appearances which I would have gotten.

That's what my brain tells me, but it also tells me not to underestimate Marvel collectors (Spidey in particular), and never underestimate the "highest graded" collectors. With all of the huge PR hype generated by Heritage recently with some of their out of this world astronomical results for the Promise Collection books, along with some others like their Marvel Spotlight 5 and Super Mario 64 record breaking sales, I would not be at all surprised to see this copy surpass the current Action 1 record for the most ever paid for a comic book to date. Especially since others have stated that this copy here is a true 9.6 worthy book and possibly even nice enough for a resub up to the 9.8 condition level.

It really rather simple......Just buy this copy here and crack it out and then resub it back to CCS and CGC asking them to grade it according to the Promise Collection grading standards, and it'll easily come back as a CGC 9.8, if not even as a CGC 9.9 graded copy.

The real question is: Are CGC submittors ready for that type of growth knowing full well there is a direct inverse relation between quality and quantity, especially in the case of graded and slabbed books coming back from CGC?

Leak: Internal Memo From CCG Ownership to CGC/CCS Employees: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!! Well done, as your exemplary work with this particular submittor here has managed to bag another live one for us. Remember our corporate mission: Anything that adds to both our top and bottom lines means potential job promotions and possible employee bonuses for all of you as we seek to expand and grow our company going forward. Keep up the excellent work that you've all been doing in striving to ensure that our turnaround times achieve their corporate goal of going from extended long months and eventually hitting our target of a full year or more, hopefully sooner rather than later. Your CCG Ownership Group

Absolutely love your sense of humour here.

From the CC archives, it looks like there were indeed 2 copies of Fantastic Comics 22 that sold in 2017, with the first one being the CGC 5.0 graded copy already posted that sold for $3,700 on May 2 of 2017. The second copy that sold the following month was indeed the Jon Berk Church copy which was graded as a CGC 9.4 and sold for $26,609 on June 13 of 2017 as part of that big big Jon Berk Auction: https://www.comicconnect.com/item/712907

Congrats Robert The books were sold in no time. Yes, no big surprise here as who in the heck wants any of the pre-Robin books with that loser Batman character on the front cover. Seriously though, congrats on the huge sale and certainly hope you can fetch close to your asking price on the classic cover 'Tec 31.

Is it possible that this is prior to the much hated website revamp by CC which took place last year when their auction archives were ALWAYS far behind because everything seem to be done manually and they probably just never got around to doing it on even their own website? Although most boardies seem to hate their new website, one of the good things about it is that their auction archives now updates instantaneously after each lot is closed and is pretty much live. Just wish that they would still also have it available in their current auction listings for viewing until at least the end of their Event Auction on Friday night, but I guess you can't have it both ways when it comes to a cheaper website platform like the one that CC has.

Sounds to me as thought the $55.1K sale on CL should really be thought of more as an outlier for now, as opposed to taking it as the norm against which other sales are to be measured against. Especially since one sale on its own does not a market make.

Why not........has CGC changed their slabs so that you can no longer crack out the books to enjoy them the way they were meant to be enjoyed?

I believe you are thinking with a post 2005 mind frame here when it was decided that pressing was good to go and basically opened the floodgates for all of the manipulation to take place. If pressing was so accepted and above board prior to 2005, why did CGC not bother to come out and proactively declare this and why were the comic book mechanics who were secretly performing this work not advertising this service in the trade publications like how they are passionately advertising it today. Of course books were pressed before CGC, but like it has been stated here ad nauseam, this was a procedure that was usually as the final step after other restoration activities had already been performed on a book. Of course, there were also some unscrupulous people performing standalone pressing without disclosing that this work had been done, all for the purpose of making money. Just because some people were doing it before CGC doesn't make it right when it was clearly not accepted as such within the hobby place at the time. If you call this form of hidden and undisclosed restoration (which is what it was at the time, but not now) as nothing more than a new way to make money, then I guess that's on you then. If you truly believe what you are saying and I am sure the usual others will jump on board and agree wholeheartedly with you, then this must also mean that people like Dupchak and Ewert who performed trimming and micro-trimming respectively were also not crooks because books were also trimmed before CGC (albeit not in great numbers or percentages but it was something that was done). So, are you saying these trimmers were also just some people who found a new way to make money because guess what, both trimming and pressing clearly fell under the restoration umbrella in the hobby at the time prior to 2005. Definitely not trying to start a pressing war all over again since that war was clearly lost back some 15+ years ago. Just not sure why boardies like you try to rewrite or to delete it from comic book history (okay, I do and it's probably all to do with money and justification) and make it seem like standalone pressing has been active in the hobby from the get go and as such, has always been accepted in the hobby place as a legitmate and proper process for books to have gone through when it clearly was not.

A lot of eyes with money would never ever even think of scouring through what seems like millions of eBay listings to search for a random book in a platform that some see as almost akin to a flea market on Skid Row, as opposed to spending much more in a high end shop on Rodero Drive like Heritage where the goods are presented to you in an easy and readily available format for you to view.

Yes, and a typical Bedrock post of late, without any qualifier at all.

Well, maybe they are simply reading the tea leaves and getting a head start with what's coming down the line in terms of the new ownership at CCG.

Best to ask Steve himself, but my guess is that it's a whole ton more financially beneficial to be the FOUNDER/president/head grader of YOUR OWN grading company, as opposed to simply being a working employee of a grading company. Especially when you are doing pretty much the same duties in terms of being responsible for launching the grading company and becoming its president, head grader, spokesperson, and front man for them.

Yeah, looks like Heritage was right out of the ball park when they graded that copy of Subby 6 as being only a lowly VG- raw copy. Maybe the lucky winner is going to be smart enough to ship it straight into CGC for grading and get a PROMISE from them of a much higher grade: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/sub-mariner-comics-23-the-promise-collection-pedigree-timely-1947-cgc-vf-85-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7244-96085.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515#

They wrote in the description that it is rodent chew though.... seems odd to grade that as a 'production defect' I believe it was a "production" rat that was running around the printing facility when these Subby's got printed and prepped for shipping.

Well, that could be true for any of these new investors as they could all be closet nerdy comic book collectors like the rest of us here. Although I get the feeling he was invited to join into the group due to his connections as being the current President of the Philadelpia 76ers.