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Would you be referring to this big big Fox Comics Showcase Auction with 173 Fox book that Heritage has scheduled to end on December 1:

Agree 110% with you as this is definitely a big big book and seemingly still undervalued since it appears not to have had the same loving and crazy price increases which other GA super hero first appearance books have had to date in this red hot marketplace. No doubt due in large part to the fact that this is a real real tough book in all grades as it very seldom ever comes into the marketplace relative to other GA keys.

Well, that's certainly a nice and cute response. Seriously though, the answer to your question is that Josh only wanted to report selective sales to GPA. More specifically, only select auction sales that outperformed and not any that would be viewed as underperforming. As we all know though, that would certainly present only a misleading skewed and very biased reporting of auction results from CL.

Totally agree with you and shouldn't BOTH parties (i.e. submittor and CGC) be there to witness the signing in order to have an truly verified and authenticated signed copy of a book? I guess it's all about the money as CGC is more than willing to have private signings where only they are there to witness the signing, and yet treat books that have been signed by the creators in a public event such as a comic con where the submittor is present and yet have those books treated as a writing defect to be downgraded when it comes to the final grade. Especially when some of the so-called verified signed copies looks more like a veritable defaced shopping list than anything else.

Why is this? Anyone know? You really can't be serious with your question here as I suspect everybody already knows the obvious answer to this question?

To each their own, but I would much rather have a collection that scores over $3 million real dollars, as opposed to collection that scores over 3 million play points.

If you are referring to the Larson copy of Batman 1, I am sure others here would know more than me, but a few sales are as follows: Sold by CC as part of the Marc Lasry Collection in one of their Event Auctions for $390K back in December of 2016: https://www.comicconnect.com/item/682290 After that, it looks like it was resold once again by Metro/CC in what was possibly not an auction for $850K in February of 2021: https://www.comicconnect.com/item/863244 It was then auctioned off by Goldin for $1.47M a few months later in September of 2021 with the winning bidder then apparently selling a 80% stake in it to Rally Road while retaining a 20% ownership stake in the book in a rather convoluted transaction, although it's hard to know if the Rally Road share offering was ever successful or not or still a work in progress:

Don't really follow the high end SA market that closely, but doesn't Brulato already have all of his early Marvel keys certified, and all graded and slabbed during CGC's first year of operations right after they opened their doors?

Well, from my POV with the book being so relatively common even in uber HG condition, it moved beyond real world prices once it moved beyond 4-figures regardless of the condition grade.

Well, from my own personal POV, I believe it's a lot more practical for us to spend less time dreaming about our fantasy world 9.8 graded copies, and focus more of our attention and energy to the real world CGC 8.5 to 9.4 copies where probably the overwhelming majority of us live in.

To each their own, but are these so-called points really much of anything since there are probably a lot of HG collectors who either never bother to register their graded books or even keep them raw and haven't even graded and slabbed their books yet? With respect to this points system, where would Brulato fit in since I thought at one time he was the one that supposedly had THE supremo HG early SA Marvel collection?

Yes, especially since I am quite sure that well over 90% of the 9.8 graded Hulk 181 owners brought the book for well under $90K.

Well, apparently Dave Sim tried to take the same Bill Gaines approach with respect to Cerebus 1. The only problem is that virtually the entire print run of 2,000 copies was the victim of a pisss poor crapola print job with the classic spine ticks running down all of the copies. Supposedly Sim himself went through the entire 2,000 print run before they were shipped out to look for the 10 best copies for himself and these are the signature copies that he did ack in the day, with a couple of CGC 9.4's being the best of the bunch.

Hope you did alright in the CL Focused Auction with your Centaur books, even though their Focused auctions always takes a back seat with less bidders chiming in even for a look as compared to their Featured Auctions. From looking at some of the books you posted here for this coming round of their Featured Auction, I am quite confident that you will come up smelling like roses by the time it's all said and done.

Rathher surprisingly, I took a look at the 6 or 7 Crackajack Funnies which Dougie had won in a CC Event Auction last year and even though he had them all regraded with most of them going up by one or two grade increments, the amount that the entire group sold for on HA last Thursday was a combined less than $100 as compared to what they had sold for on CC. So much for HA always getting more than the other major comic auction platforms as I guess Dougies must have lost money on this grouping of books that he won from CC last year after factoring in both regrading fees and HA commission fees. I guess there wouldn't be any additional 3rd party pressing fees to add on top of this since I assume that Dougie must have his own in-house presser for his Pedigree business. Then again, I guess he more than made up for it by being able to sell the CGC 9.8 graded copy Crackajack Funnies 9 for $6,600 after winning it in an earlier Heritage Signature Auction in its former incarnation as a CGC 9.6 graded copy for only $3K back in November of 2018.

Not sure why, but I guess there must have been a bad bidder in there somewhere, as I just clicked onto this link and the current bid was hammering at only $115. Tossed in a bid of $380 to see if that would be good enough for the high bid, but not surprsingly, no dice as I was instantaneously outbidded.

Although this might indeed be the case for this Dell & Gold Key portion of his collection, it was certainly not the case with respect to his HG SA Marvel collection which he auctioned off on HA about 10 years ago. Needless to say, when it comes to HG SA Marvels, there's buyers everywhere for these kinds of much in demand books.

So, instead of the bidders all saying last year they can't wait for the prices to drop so that they can pick up a copy of these hoit books, everybody rushes for the exit doors as fast as their little feet can take them.

That’s true but does anyone crack out 9.8s?. Truthfully I’m not planning on reading these copies. Not talking about freeing a book after it's already been imprisoned in one of those bulky industrialized slabs, but simply keeping them raw so that they can be enjoyed the way they were meant to be and also shared with some of your comic book buddies at the same time: Then again, I guess that copy of Fantastic Comics 3 would have had a much better shot at a CGC 9.8 instead of a paltry CGC 9.6 if it had not been passed around and enjoyed by so many of his buddies.

Exactly right as he certainly wouldn't want to use some questionable 2nd or 3rd rate auction platform when it came to his own personal collection. It seems that all of the boardies that responded agreed with the second option as per a post which I had in another thread the other week:

I wonder how far down the condition grading ladder goes where buyers are still bidding crazy strong prices for this book because I remember being totally flabbergasted when I saw a CGC 9.8 copy sell for over $40K in a CC Event Auction back in 2015, and now we see CGC 9.6 graded copies selling in this nosebleed price range. This WAS probably YOUR pristine copy here. I guess I am a bit more lucky as my story goes the opposite way of yours since I remember picking up a really nice sharp copy of Star Trek 1 when I first got into vintage comic book collecting towards the late 80's. I believe it was some nutso price of $50 at the time, but I do clearly and distinctly remember it was neatly labelled as a NM+ copy to which I can say only two things.............I so wish and that'll be the day. Unfortunately for me though, like so many of my standalone single issue of a more recent non-GA title, I have absolutely ZERO idea where it would be in my collection.

How about Gold Key's since it was certainly NOT a bloodbath for a couple of them in Dougie's Heritage Auction this past Thursday, although I must admit I do love the strength of that blood red cover on the Scobby book: https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/science-fiction/star-trek-1-gold-key-1967-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/40208-81416.s?ic16=ViewItem-Auction-Archive-PreviousPricesHeritage-081514# https://comics.ha.com/itm/bronze-age-1970-1979-/scooby-doo-1-gold-key-1970-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/40208-81403.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ArchiveSearchResults-012417&lotPosition=0|0# Especially since Schmell was still able to sell both of these at more than double his original purchase price even after cracking them out and then failing to get an upgrade on either of them. Poor Dougie had to settle for only a mere $45,600 on the Star Trek 1 after he had paid only $20,400 for it back in November of 2019 and also having gotten lucky earlier with the Scobby Doo 1 selling for $12,600 after he had paid only $6K for it back in March of 2020.

That book was BIN fodder forever, and so it shall become again Totally agree with you since like most of the other so-called hot books on that CL tracking chart, far far too many uber HG copies in every single auction on all of the various auction platforms. But then how about a book like Eternals 13 with far fewer graded copies than Eeternals 1 , will that book ever get back to the $4,300 mark or whatever it was that some "lucky" bidder was able to win the book at a few years ago?

Truth be told, actually hard to say without having the actual book in hand, but yet I guess the Star Trek 1 was strong enough for Dougie to send it back in hoping for a potential upgrade to CGC 9.8. Then again, maybe Schmell is the type of buyer that simply sends everything he buys back in for grading because I sure wouldn't have taken a chance on this copy here hoping for an upgrade to CGC 9.4. To each their own, but from a strict visual POV, if I had a book that seemingly appears to have this much spine and edge wear and yet be able to have garnered a CGC 9.2 out of it, I would certainly not chance sending it back for a potential upgrade since I would be more afraid of a potential downgrade into the 8's or possibly even lower: https://comics.ha.com/itm/bronze-age-1970-1979-/cartoon-character/scooby-doo-1-gold-key-1970-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7224-92138.s?ic16=ViewItem-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-PreviousPricesHeritage-081514 Looks like Dougie got lucky again here as it came back with the same CGC 9.2 grade (albeit better looking this time) and was able to more than double his money and resell it for $12,600 after buying it for only $6K back in March of 2020.

Well, the one big positive to draw from this huge sea of red is that once CGC clears their 2021 and early 2022 backlog, this should take care of their egregious turnaround issues as a lot of submittors will hopefully stop sending in these readily available in HG money losing books.