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I get you are new here (which is cool, welcome!), so let me gently suggest that your comment is a bit of an insult to the many fine collectors who stated in the preceding 10 pages (the ones you didn't read) that they just wanted to read and enjoy the books. Suggesting they are fraudsters is not polite.

From 1969:

Updated status on books submitted at San Francisco Con: VALUE Stated turnaround times when submit: CCS = 45 b days; CGC = 57 b days (Total 102 b days or 20+ weeks) Date of Con Drop Off - 6/10/2018 CGC Received Date ("Rec-CCS Required") - 6/14/2018 (Bus. days since Con submission = 4) "At CCS" - 7/3/2018 (Bus. days since "Rec-CCS Required" = 13) "Received" - 9/7/2018 (Bus. days since "at CCS" = 47) This was +2 of TAT estimate (+15 if you start at Rec-CCS Req'd) TOTAL BUSINESS DAYS ELAPSED SINCE CON DROP OFF AS OF THIS POST = 65 b days (or 13 weeks)

I remember you explaining why you sold the book on past threads. Makes perfect sense. Still, I'd love to own it.

"Airburst" or "Corpse on the Imjin"?

Kid Flash meets the Elongated Man? That's just wrong.

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/bernie-krigstein-impact-1-complete-8-page-story-master-race-original-art-ec-1955-andlt-total-8-/p/7192-118001.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 There you have it - Mitch is an "astute collector"! He paid $5,000 directly to Russ, if I recall correctly. My question for Mitch: Who did you sell the art too? This story is, for me, the biggest original art grail still in existence.

Maybe obvious to you, but I'd never seen it!

"Cameo" was also used in the old Guides to refer to non-first appearances. "Introduction," if I recall, is what we now call a "full first appearance."

Answer: Neither. It's the cover.

Not a classic cover, but classic nonetheless. I remember when those could be won as prizes from the carny games at the County Fair.

And just to get this out of the way, this may be my favourite classic cover of the SA:

Let's see 'em! Not just the obvious ones, but also the obscure and rare. Let me kick this off with what could be the most classic cover of the "kid genre" and "psychedelic themes" of the Sixties!: Post away!

I know I'm late to the party, but it sure seems like this discussion could benefit from one nuance to supplement the comments made by RMA: There is a difference in comic book parlance between a "first appearance" and the "first time a character appears in print." The prior term refers to the first appearance of a character in a story as RMA explained. The later term refers to the a pre-"first appearance" of the character in a non-story image such as an ad. Thus, More Fun Comics 31 (5/38) is the first appearance in print of Superman by virtue of the house ad for Action Comics 1, but Action 1 (6/38) is Superman's true "first appearance." Which is why Hulk 180 is Wolverine's "first appearance," as it is the first time Wolverine appears in a story. What causes people confusion is that they think that what people are willing to pay for a comic defines what constitutes a first appearance. That's B.S. Hulk 180 used to be more valuable than Hulk 181 (some of you are probably shocked right now, but it is true and verifiable). The market ultimately decided that Hulk 181 was the cooler and therefore more valuable book because Wolverine appeared on the cover and was the focus of the story. This caused some folks confusion, so they started calling Hulk 181 the "first appearance" to justify the higher price. All they really needed to do was call 181 the "cooler book." There was some push back by the folks who know what "first appearance" really means, and ultimately Hulk 180 was again denoted as the "first appearance" and Hulk 181 was denoted as the "first full appearance" (an oxymoronic marketing term). The market dictates price, it does not dictate the meaning of basic terms like "first appearance" (or "first time character appears in print"). P.S. A "cameo" is just a small appearance. So a "first appearance" can be a "cameo." The opposite of a "cameo" is a "featured" role. Thus, Walt Disney's Vacation Parade 2 (7/51) is Uncle Scrooge's "first appearance" on the cover of a comic book, albeit in a "cameo" (minor character in a crowd shot). Uncle Scrooge's second cover appearance is a literal "cameo," original meaning is small portrait, on the cover of Four Color 353 (10/51) where he is pictured in partially obscured head shot painting. Uncle Scrooge's third cover appearance, and first time featured on a cover, is FC 379 (March/April 1952). Interestingly, however, a lot of folks get Uncle Scrooge's first cover appearance wrong, claiming it is in FC 386 (March 1952). Heritage, for example, states: "Only a Poor Old Man is the first Uncle Scrooge story, Scrooge's first cover appearance, and the book that counts as Uncle Scrooge #1." The first two statements in Heritage's description are wrong as FC 386 is also not US's first solo story.

Yeah, but everyone knows Detective 31. It was posted three times on the first page of this thread, and several times since then. I like seeing covers that should be considered classics but of which most are unaware. Like this awesome Little Dot (which I am going to post over and over in classic cover threads until everyone wants one!):

Completely agree. I have mid-grade reading copies of my favorite stories, of which FC 263 is, for me, the tops Barks DD to have. I also have some books that are so high grade (top of Census best in existence) that I'm uncomfortable owning them and looking to sell. To replace them I buy slightly lower grade copies that present really well so I can put them on display (e.g. 8.0 - 9.0).

I now believe that the chronology is this: * Vacation Parade 2 (July 1951) - 1st Cover Appearance (cameo crowd shot) * FC 353 (Oct. 1951) - 2nd Cover Appearance (cameo), 1st on cover by Barks * FC 379 (March-April 1952) - 3rd Cover Appearance, 1st time featured on Cover * FC 386 (March 1952) - 4th Cover Appearance; 2nd by Barks, 2nd featured * WDC&S 140 (May 1952) - 5th Cover Appearance, 3rd by Barks, 3rd featured, 1st on title,1st by Barks on WDC&S Which just goes to illustrate that you should be skeptical of what the auction houses say. For example, Heritage states: "Only a Poor Old Man is the first Uncle Scrooge solo story, Scrooge's first cover appearance, and the book that counts as Uncle Scrooge #1" https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/four-color-386-uncle-scrooge-dell-1952-cgc-nm-94-off-white-to-white-pages/a/825-44210.s?ic4=OtherResults-SampleItem-071515&tab=ArchiveSearchResults-012417 The first two representations are both wrong. FC 386 is also not the first Scrooge solo story or even the first story without Donald Duck. Uncle Scrooge had a previous solo story and guested in a non-DD story (neither were by Barks). For notable one-shots after FC 386 (US 1), the best I'd say is FC 456 (US 2).

The conventional wisdom is that "the best copy" of many great books has yet to be certified.

Irrational numbers are a thing.

Should have read page 4 before I responded to page 3.

The answer is 42.

Ashcans generally don't get the respect of real comics because they are a production/legal document not a real comic book. The WW ashcan does not have a first appearance or anything else to recommend it as does the AS 8. No ashcan has topped $90K, and I don't think that's solely due to rarity. Instead, I believe that is largely due to resistance to the whole concept of ashcans being important. They don't draw the biggest fish. Still, the WW ashcan increased significantly without any intervening sales. Which is the point.

Wonder Woman ashcan just sold for $57,668, having previously changing hands in 2003 for $17,250. So rare can rise.

If you want to use math, stick with buying and selling items where price is not solely driven by emotion. P/E is a decent guide on what a stock should be worth if you vary the P/E to reflect the type of business. But, comics got not E. So, a better analogy is residential real estate bought for a non-rental purpose, where all you can work off of is "comparables" and the "feel" you have for the market (hard vs. soft) and the "curb appeal" of the house. And those won't be enough to accurately predict selling price once you get two motivated bidders bidding for the same house (or comic) or if the market flips. In short: It's an art, not a science.

I wonder why? CGC really was fast on my other tiers of books submitted at the same time. But they are crawling on this tier. The book is a Marvel Graphic Novel. Maybe that's why?