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Why? Why do we need "ages"? The terms "Golden Age" and "Silver Age" were originally coined by early fans to denote the first era of superhero comics and the late 1950s revival of those superheros. And, to be precise, those fans were talking about D.C. superheros. It really hasn't served any real purpose in years. It's not scholarly. It's not relevant to most other genres. It's a pretty lousy way to refer to comics because its so meaningless. Which is why so many folks use other terms now, such as pre-Code for horror and crime genres, etc.

I think you have this backwards. Fine art is universally categorized by styles, not eras. Ingres is a neoclassical painter. Delacroix is a romantic artist. If you told them in the 1820s that they were both 1820s painters you'd not get any argument. If you told them they were both pre-Raphaelites, then you'd have argument. The advantage of referring to art and literature by style, not era, is that you can discuss it with more accuracy. For example, in the 1910s you had impressionists (Monet), expressionists (Kandinsky), fauvists (Matisse), cubists (Picasso), etc. etc. etc. all painting at the same time. You might counter with "hey ... what about the Renaissance"? The Renaisssance is a term denoting both a historical era and a style. But, when used to describe an artistic style, it is actually many styles (Italian Renaissance, German Renaissance, etc.), which also overlap with earlier styles such as Gothic. A Raphael and an El Greco are like Frazetta and Krigstein. Same general era, different in kind.

Word.

Is Fishler selling his Planets!?!

Updated status on books submitted at San Francisco Con: MAGAZINE MODERN Stated turnaround times when submit.: CCS = 35 b days; CGC = 45 b days (Total 80 b days or 16+ weeks) Date of Con Drop Off - 6/10/2018 CGC Received Date ("Rec-CCS Required") - 6/14/2018 (Bus. days since Con submission = 4) "At CCS" - 7/3/2018 (Bus. days since "Rec-CCS Required" = 13) "Received" - 9/14/2018 (Bus. days since "At CCS" = 52 b days or +17 b bays or 3.5 weeks over estimate!) "Verified" - 9/18/2018 (Bus. days since "Received" = 2) "Scheduled for Grading" - 10/5/2018 (Bus. days since "Verified" = 13) "Graded" - 10/8/2018 (Bus. days since "Scheduled for Grading" = 1) TOTAL Business Days since "Rec-CCS Required" = 81 CCS took 52 business days (+17 over estimate); CGC took 16 business days (-29 under estimate) GRADE = I give CGC a "B" for this one because they essentially hit the estimate. (I give a B for hitting estimate; an A for beating the estimate; and less than a B for failing to make the estimate). Hopefully, they ship quickly or this could slip to a B-. Overall, I can't complain because they essentially did what they promised.

Updated status on books submitted at San Francisco Con: MAGAZINE MODERN Stated turnaround times when submit.: CCS = 35 b days; CGC = 45 b days (Total 80 b days or 16+ weeks) Date of Con Drop Off - 6/10/2018 CGC Received Date ("Rec-CCS Required") - 6/14/2018 (Bus. days since Con submission = 4) "At CCS" - 7/3/2018 (Bus. days since "Rec-CCS Required" = 13) "Received" - 9/14/2018 (Bus. days since "At CCS" = 52 b days (+17 b bays or 3.5 weeks over estimate!) "Verified" - 9/18/2018 (Bus. days since "Received" = 2) "Scheduled for Grading" - 10/5/2018 (Bus. days since "Verified" = 13)

I can't explain much of the thinking in the Copper section. But, Annual 14 came first and is the first appearance. 26 pages was not necessary.

Has anyone ever seen this in the wild?: It's the Iron Giant video preview comic nn. The film preview nn is fairly common (although only four people have bothered to slab one). Just curious if anyone out there owns this comic? If you have, please post it.

First means first, not third. This really is not hard to understand. A first appearance refers to publication order, not continuity order and not popularity.

That looks like an animation storyboard. A far cry from Toth's “Battle Flag of the Foreign Legion”!

I think I did Duck collecting a service with this book. I could not get CGC to note it as a subscription variant. BUT, I got Heritage to properly note it as a subscription variant on their auction listing. I really think a high grade subscription variant is a very special thing that deserves to be noted. OPG, CGC, and GPA may not note their existence ... yet, but I think the fact a book is a subscription variant does impact prices - usually negatively because those books often have a subscription crease and there is the unfortunate run where subscription box is awkwardly placed on the front cover, but this book deserves a subscription variant bump. I believe hard core Duck collectors will increasingly want subscription variant examples in their collections, especially where the variant is very high grade or the back cover art variation is more significant. So I'm glad that Heritage has taken the first step in recognition that subscription variants exist and matter. Here's Heritage's listing: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/walt-disney-s-comics-and-stories-137-dell-1952-cgc-nm-94-white-pages/p/7192-195002.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

Raffles of that kind are illegal. So I think the above response is correct.

Checked my old OPG. Up to No. 7, there was no separate pricing of 180, 181 or 182. OPG Nos. 8-10 incorrectly noted 181 as the first appearance of Wolverine and marginally priced it above the surrounding issues. OPG No. 11, however, correctly noted 180 as the first appearance of Wolverine for the first time, and significantly boosted the price of 180 to $12, as compared to $5.25 for 181 and 182 (which was also a big bump in price). The following year, in OPG 11, 180 was still noted as the first appearance, but 181 had retaken the price lead.

The U.S. denotes cents by using a cent symbol. It makes no sense for a U.S. publisher to use a lower case "c" for the U.S. market. So I doubt that was an intentional choice by Marvel, especially when so many comics of that period have the cent symbol. Either (1) cent symbol copies exist that you haven't found yet (the comics you are looking are not high volume sellers on Heritage) or (2) the lower case "c" copies are errors sold in the U.S. As to this second possibility, perhaps the order the comics were printed in started with the UK editions, switched to the lower case "c" foreign/military editions, and ended with the U.S. editions - and sometimes the printer failed to replace the lower case "c" for the U.S. editions. It is not as if Atlas/Marvel did not use the cent symbol before and after the time period in question. They did. Commonwealth countries use lower case "d" for pence. Canada, however, uses cents, not pence. It may be the printer thought that if the UK used a lower case "d," then Canada and other foreign destinations must use a lower case "c." I've never seen that, but the printer could have been confused for the few months you see this issue.

It could be as simple as that the print order was dictated by shipping schedules. Let's assume that they printed the normal U.S. copies first, and next in order were the copies to be shipped to the UK, and then they printed the copies to be shipped to the military (or Canada/elsewhere) third. That would explain the font change for the second batch of 10 cent comics. Why would they use that Order? Might have to do with the shipping priorities. What I find intriguing is that on the Rawhide Kid 17s pictured above, the first price uses a cent symbol (U.S. style) and the rest use lower case d (UK Pence) or c. A lower case c is not a U.S. cent symbol. That makes it appear to me that the print run shifted from the U.S. print run to the UK run and then to other foreign runs.

Fixed. It's not a first appearance unless it was published first. Again, see NYWF 1939 vs. Adventure 40. The fact that the story was drawn first, doesn't mean it was a first appearance.

It's obvious to see that there is a UK pence font and a U.S. domestic sales font. So for the third (or fourth) font, could be it that there was a print run for overseas U.S. military bases? Also, what's the Canadian font look like?

This isn't unheard of. For example, New York World's Fair 1 (1939) is the first appearance of the Sandman, having appeared before Adventure 40. But, the story in Adventure 40 was drawn and intended to be published first. CGC lists NYWF 1939 as the "first published appearance of Sandman." Whereas Adventure 40 is denoted by CGC as "first conceived story." The point being, the "first appearance" is the first appearance that is published, not the first story drawn.

Life experience from collecting X-Men starting in the mid-70s to end of 80s. I haven't double checked my OPG's, but other folks have posted that OPG used to price 180 higher than 181. Admittedly, the pricing on 181 fairly quickly garnered higher prices than 180 because it was viewed as the cooler issue. This may also come as a surprise to some, but sometimes the first appearance is not prized as highly by collectors as the second. Examples include MPFW 1 vs. MC 1 (Subby) and NYWF 1939 vs. Adventure 40 (Sandman). But, just because collectors will pay more for a second appearance than a first, does not mean the second appearance becomes the first appearance.

No, the market considers Hulk 181 to be the more desirable and valuable book. However, everyone knows that Hulk 180 is Wolverine's first appearance, albeit in a pretty big final panel cameo (with associated storyline referring to and providing backstory on Wolverine earlier in the book). Which is why, for example, CGC calls 180 "first appearance of Wolverine in cameo on last page." You may not believe this, but back in the day Hulk 180 was the more valuable book.

I still see them on eBay for less than the cost of a current issue.

That's how I felt/feel about Dazzler 1.

Rom has terrible interior art, is a lousy story, and would not make a good movie. Easy to avoid buying Rom 1. You want a Rom issue? Buy one with a Golden cover so you at least get one good illustration.

Not because you've never heard of Krigstein (I've seen others on the board make the joyous discovery of the historic role played by Krigstein as a seminal influence on Miller, etc.), but because you say of a character in a non-superhero EC story, who is a concentration camp survivor, the following: Forgive me that I thought only someone being cynically sarcastic would claim that a character in a non-superhero story was the inspiration for the Question or Rorsach because they both wear suits. I now fear I'll see Impact 1 (and a host of other comics) marketed as a Question "prototype issue."

Now I'm going with cynical sarcasm, not appalling ignorance.