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The question you should be asking is: What are you trying to accomplish? If you are going to be the dealer receiving this book as a consignment, all you need to do is look at Heritage, GPA and ask around and you'll starting getting some pricing infomation. My advice: Ask high, be ready to bargain down. If you want to buy it yourself. let your conscience be your guide. Realize that if you go to low, you might lose the purchase because any comic collector who owns a D27 (1) has a pretty good idea what its worth, (2) can figure that out by looking at Heritage sales, and (3) can always ask around including asking Heritage. You should be doing the same thing, which is what you do appear to be doing. I would not pay a dime to a dealer as a "consulting fee" just to tell me their opinion on the value of a comic. That info is thrown out for free around here all the time. I would certainly see no need to tell a dealer where the comic is coming from unless you want to risk being aced out. The only way I would involve another dealer is if you want to flip it and you need a partner. And then, yes, I'd have an enforceable written contract. And if the dealer screwed you, I'd be hiring someone to represent me in the lawsuit (if it comes to that I'm a West Coast attorney, Esquirecomics is on the East Coast, you can find representation).

If it an old time collector beware of amateur restoration in a low grade book.

Wertham would have really had a field day with Swedish Superman and Batman and Robin.

If you are interested in the backstory on Cosmic Aeroplane pedigree, you should make sure to check out this thread:

GCD let's you search for a story title. I'm suggesting that you run a search for the story title based on a Portugese to English translation of it. You might find it that way.

Grand Comic Database is your friend. Translate the title and look them up on the GCD.

And multiples for Okajima camp copies probably top everyone - especially in lower grades.

There is also a William Craig Holt in Utah who was married in 1984. Could be a son or other relative or maybe just a coincidence - but likely the band member referenced up thread?

All of the W.C. Holt Jr. stamped Cosmic Aeroplane books I see on Heritage date to 1944-1945. This may have something to do with W.C. Holt Jr.'s WWII service. It strongly suggests to me that it is an OO stamp by W.C. Holt Jr. or his sister or other family member was applied when the comics were purchased, not a collector's stamp (which would have been weird back in the mid-1970s given how big the stamp was).

We may have a source for an answer. Read this: https://cosmicaeroplane.wordpress.com/2015/03/01/cosmic-aeroplane-comic-books-vol-i/ Pertinent info:

Anything is possible. I have comics stamped by collectors back in the 1960s. I would like to know the dates of the comics on which the stamp appears. If it is a narrow range that suggests an OO stamp and if a broad range a collector’s stamp. The comic pictured in the recent threads is 1945, I think.

Cannot wait for the response! I ran searches for Williams and Walters C.Holt Jr.’s and came up with a candidate with the right birth and death dates to make sense of the chronology. The books were bought by CA in 1972, so your guy might be a little young to know the answers. I could be wrong. Took me three attempts to nail down the Promise OO.

What's he say?

Hi-Bid seems like a scammer's dream site.

My guess is your mailbox on this site is lighting up.

Makes me wonder if the comics were being printed in Utah. I agree the “art teacher” story could have been misdirection. Interesting that the first “recognized” pedigree was bought and came to market in 1977 whereas the second was bought and came to market in 1972. Reinforces that Chuck invented the concept and suggest what allowed the Cosmic Aeroplane books to become a pedigree was the check marks. Are there any other pedigrees that came to market before 1977? The irony is a lot of old time collectors bought groups of comics from or traceable to the OO - like BZ’s Gilchrist books - bought prior to 1977 and still kept as a group. But the concept of a “pedigree” had not been invented yet. The stories are endless - Bill Placzek (spelling?) said over on the Wigransky thread that the core of his 27,000 book collection (as of 1965) had come from a “huge collection” his dad bought for him. Guys on this site have mentioned their “personal pedigrees”. Makes you realize that if the Church books had come to market in 1967 ten years earlier they would have been dispersed like Wigransky and so many others huge collections. The next GA “pedigrees” to come to market IMHO are going to be the “personal pedigrees” that have been sitting in collections since the 60s or 70s.

Just any FYI as this came up on the Cosmic Aeroplane thread posted this week. My analysis (as set forth on that other thread):

That "W.C. HOLT JR." stamp is on a number of Cosmic Aeroplane books. Worth noting then that William C. Holt Jr. of Salt Lake City, Utah passed away on August 30, 1971 at the age of 56. I don't know if he was an art teacher, but he's the right age to have been buying the Cosmic Aeroplane books starting in the 1930s for use in his classes and he died at the right time for his collection to have been sold to the Cosmic Aeroplane shop in 1972. I still call "Church" books "Mile Highs," but in the interest of consistency maybe CGC should call this the Cosmic Aeroplane/William C. Holt Jr. pedigree. Interesting to know if there's any sort of WWII gap in the collection.

I agree. My least favorite cover of the run. The colorist didn't help. If you look at the OA, it does not appear that Buck and the Girl were supposed to get caught with their pants down wearing mini-mini-skirts. The weird things going on with their shin bones look like clothing folds in the OA (especially the girl's leg on the left just above the boot).

I recently picked up my first Cosmic Aeroplane for a song from an auction house. It was sold as a Cosmie Aeroplane. Your comment about "check marks next to the female figures" caught my eye. I looked at the interior of my book, which I didn't pay much attention to b/c I bought it for the cover and realized that in it too it is the female figures that are being "checked." That Salt Lake City art teacher who sold the books to the Cosmic Aeroplane store, a cornerstone of the counter-culture in SLC, must have been a little wicked. The namesake store:

Wrexham avenged their loss to Chesterfield earlier this season. Top of the table. Plenty of storylines for Season 2. And now Manchester United are supposedly going to play a pre-season friendly against Wrexham in the US in the Summer. Great advertising.

All I got are his Tarzan books and comics. This thread is helpful for how to try and see pics with broken links:

Because they never get old: For those that like to daydream. Here's something BZ once said:

My recollection is he only said he didn't get an Action 1 in the Gilchrist books. But he had a LOT of books that didn't come from that pick-up. The guy rattled off literally four or five names of OOs for books that he's kept segregated by where he got them. Given that he was a hardcore collector starting in the very early 60s, and he was smarter than the average collector in how he was going about getting books for his collecting and to deal, I think he certainly had opportunities to buy (or more likely trade) for an Action 1. He was selling off a Superman 1, CA 1, All-Star 3 in an ad in 1967 (all big books back then), as well as lesser books like All-Winners 1, GL 1, Plastic Man 1, CM Jr. 1, Action 3 and 4, etc. If he wanted an Action 1, he certainly could have got one. I do remember seeing the D27, All-American 16, Pep run, Supes 1, etc. Somewhere there's a thread where someone saved as many pics as possible.

I will give you a story about something I think is near to his heart. I discovered this while researching Dave Wigransky of Washington D.C. as I wanted to find out where his legendary collection went and to make sure that BZ's collection wasn't originally Wigransky's. As you probably know, BZ once said that the 2,000+ lot of his most impressive books came to him after they were pulled from a garbage can by someone who sold them to him. But, BZ learned who the original owner ("OO") was because his name and address was written in some of the books. And BZ once stated the OO had the initials "WTG." In another post BZ stated he had several groups of books that came from OOs, and he rattled off some of the names including "Gilchrist." BZ also said that the OO purchased his books from Campbell's Bros. in D.C. There was a William T. Gilchrist who the 1940 census shows lived in Central DC. He was about 10 in 1940. And in 1940: William T. Gilchrist lived at 622 Massachusetts Ave. N.E., Washington D.C.; BZ said the Campbell Bros. where the comics were bought was at 8th & C, Washington D.C.; There's a mere five minute walk between the house and the drugstore if you walk down 8th and around the corner to Mass. Ave; and BZ once said: "One day, approximately 20 years after purchasing the collection, ... my wife and I made a point to drive by the spot where Campbell Bros had been in business. Not surprisingly the store was long since gone, but decals advertising various 1930s/40s items were still on the windows. I took photographs of the storefront and then we walked around the corner to where the original owner of the comics had lived." BZ said he walked over to the house of the OO (my recollection is it was a medical office) and was able to walk through it and get a sense of where the OO lived. I'm guessing, though, that the books were discovered at a different address in 1970s. BZ did not learn the OO's address from the seller who would have known where they came from. And William T. Gilchrist died in Maryland in 1963 and his wife died in Maryland in 1973 (which would be consistent with the books being sold to BZ in the early 70s). That's the back story on BZ's best books, I think. Remember you read it here first! (Recently an auctioneer borrowed from my thread on Wigransky without attribution for a lot description and so did a bookseller for a description of a HC book I was buying from him (no discount for providing the ad copy) - so I'm sensitive). P.S. What's amazing about that ad BZ took out selling books back around 1967 is that he was selling a Superman 1. At that point in time he hadn't picked up the Gilchrist collection yet. My impression is that his Supes 1 came from the Gilchrist lot, and what little I saw of it in the pic he posted (and the great copies of other early Supes) makes me think it was very nice. I get the impression he upgraded his Supes 1 several times. The big mystery is does he have have an Action 1? I would not bet that the man who owns the check paid to Shuster for his work on Action 1 does not have an Action 1. I'd love to see his biggest books. The "lesser" books I've seen pictured on this site and elsewhere are just so impressive!