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On 11/29/2023 at 10:51 AM, comix4fun said:

Calling it a "Cover Prelim" indicates it was part of a contract to create a cover for publication and by the publisher. Nothing is a "cover" or should utilize that terminology unless it can be tied to work done for publication. If the seller doesn't have proof or provenance of work for publication they've created a fiction meant to induce purchase. 

We are talking about a hobby that has, at best, loose definitions and, at worst, wrong definitions for almost so many art-related terms. Remarks (or more properly remarques) continues to mutate, but almost never seen it used for the actual definition. What people are selling as artist's proofs are not artist's proofs, and I don't know how many times I've seen a fully inked piece called a sketch just because it wasn't a cover or interior page. 

Coming to comics art after having studied fine art and its markets is confusing. This is just par for the course.

All this is by way of saying "yeah!"

My 1.33 cents. The Liefeld price is spot on, if not low.

it's his Mona Lisa. What do I mean by that? It's his most recognizable and well-known piece. People who don't know comics, know this.

Nobody gave a rat's anything about the Mona Lisa for 400 years. It's not DaVinci's best work. Not really even close. Nobody outside of the serious art world cared about it until it was stolen in 1911. Now it gets mobbed on a daily basis by people who think it's the most amazing art thing ever - it's not even the top ten best things in Louvre. It's potential value and its interest is derived from it being a historical artifact more than being a piece of art (whether the layman realizes it or not)

So there it is. It's the Mona Lisa.  

On 11/15/2023 at 4:28 AM, timguerrero said:

I didn't know he owned part of CAF interesting.

Because I don't think he does.

This gets carelessly thrown around a lot, but after looking up the legal details of Collector's Network Inc, his name appears nowhere. I believe he loaned some money once.

On 11/9/2023 at 11:04 AM, PhilipB2k17 said:

On the tax thing. You ALWAYS had to pay taxes on capital gains. You would technically have to pay this tax if you made a cash deal in your living room. The only change the law made was that now Pay services like PayPal issue a 1099 so you can't avoid paying the capital gains tax if you use those services. The reporting Threshold is $600, but it's not a new tax. 

There did used to be the "garage sale" rule, which was ill-defined but there's was wiggle room to go either way, but by lowering the reporting, it kinda de facto quashes that rule. So it's not a new tax while also being a new tax.

Isn't the US tax code grand? Don't get me started on the tax prep lobby.

On 11/8/2023 at 8:43 PM, Unstoppablejayd said:

I’ve participated every time and never took payment that had a fee… meaning I’ve only taken PayPal ff check or Venmo friend. and it has never been an issue!

 

The rule hasn't fully taken effect yet. If you trigger a 1099-K (i think it's K). You wouldn't get one until this coming January (unless they suspend it again).

Correct me if I'm wrong (PLEASE) but I don't think the reporting is triggered by personal  Zelle, Venmo or Papyal F&F (but is triggered by goods and services). In these instances it could easily be a person paying back another or gifting (the exclusion amount for which is 16k). Of course, I suppose if you have too many of those, you might trigger an audit.

I am absolutely speaking out of my , so again - please correct me if I'm wrong.

I had said in another thread that  I dislike framing the printed cover with the original, but this works nicely. Well done. And congrats.

On 11/7/2023 at 9:41 AM, Rick2you2 said:

I just scan them into my computer, put them on a thumb drive, and look at them on my iPad. Not as good as the binders, but very convenient and portable.

Why own the art, then?  

Not a fan of putting the published page next to the art. As mentioned, it draw the eye away from the art. Sometimes, the coloring did the art no favors. And in the newsprint era, the page just looks kinda dirty next to white Bristol. Also don't care for colored matte. Again, let the art be the art. The frame should be simple elegant and unobtrusive. I will say, I like frame jobs that let the notes, toplines, and blue-printed board instructions appear.

Fortunately, there are no rules and you can do whatever suits you.

This doesn't address the quality risk of commissioning, but...my .001364 cents (adjusted for inflation).

The one thing I never see in "getting out what I put into a commission" is the monetary value of possession and enjoyment. This has to be acknowledged when you go in on one. I spent 600 on one by a noted artist and his trademark creation. I know I'm not likely to get the full 600 out of it anytime soon (not that I intend to). But it's been on my wall for a year and a half and I know that I've paid for be able to do that and looking at it. If I sold it tomorrow for 400, I'd have to consider if I got 200 bucks of fun by having it (and as far as I'm concerned, I've gotten the full 600 from it).

If the time a piece is with you isn't worth anything, then it's not art. It's just a commodity. Unless it's just a "meh" piece, in which case...bad luck or bad research.

Part of why I just don't get collectors who just file their stuff away, but that's another thing.

On 8/31/2023 at 4:41 PM, artdealer said:

As I have posted before…

Who at CGC is qualified to authenticate art?

Assuming a new hire...Honestly, I don't think they'll actually move to this level. Regardless of what they say.

At this risk of offending the board hosts, why would I even trust CGC's authentication? There are many practices already that make me doubt their integrity as an objective judge. It feels to me like the only thing driving their comics grading is the price boost over any other grader. The accuracy of the grade is secondary.

On 8/31/2023 at 10:44 AM, Aahz said:

 

An interesting point towards the end of the article was that the market for the types of paintings that the family holds has gone down in part because the museums are full.  ie, if they want a painting by ____, they have it.  I hadn't thought that the. museum market would be strong enough to drive market indicators by itself.

Meanwhile, the works museums are trying to acquire, they can't because they can't match the bids these financial instruments artworks pull in.

On 6/30/2023 at 12:16 PM, jjonahjameson11 said:

It would be great to share the images with the collecting community, but as this was the 1st (and now, 2nd) time this has happened, I did not take any pics.  Thus, no images to share 

 

Might I suggest pulling images of the published art from the internet...? 

On 6/3/2023 at 10:00 AM, wurstisart said:

Why would you plan on doing this convention right in the middle of Disney property - makes absolutely no sense to poke the bear or mouse in this case.

For our hobby I hope this does not backfire.

I don't see why this would be aeven a ripple when MegaCon is down the street a week later and is stuffed with IP violations on a grander scale (much like most other comic cons) that nobody cares about. And MegaCon has something like 150-200,000 attendees compared to Bill's cap of, what was it 1500 or something?

The Punisher is too big to be taken down either by fascist cops/sheriff's gangs (yes, some are just comics fans, but should be smart enough to know that the Punisher has no place on their uniform or car) or by backing off his story.

At the same time, I get the concept that continuing to tell these Punisher story's is fueling a Frank Castle attitude in people who should know better and realize that ultimately he's not the good guy, but he's taken to much of a cultural foothold and those values aren't going anywhere, I don't think.

Frank's a frakkin' urban legend now!

On 6/6/2023 at 3:17 PM, Dirtcheap31 said:

I would value the piece less as it is less original just like “conserving” a comic I am not for it… I know in high end art they restore but it’s mostly cleaning… 

I think also, the difference between comic and fine art is that there's significant faction of collectors who are artifact collectors as much or more than they are art collectors. One wouldn't restore the Rosetta Stone, but you would (and have) restored The Last Supper.

Once it's been shot or scanned, it's frozen in time, even if it leads to the loss of the artwork. Someday, those marker pieces will be absolutely gone, but not during the owner's lifetime.

On 6/1/2023 at 5:23 PM, Dr. Balls said:

True, I kind of misspoke with that - I'm no fan of color guides, either, which is why I roped them together as I see them infesting every website that sells original art. I've soapboxed at length on the problems with modern-day Artist Proofs because they are manufactured, unlike true APs from the olden days where they were used to check and adjust color on press, which would technically qualify as a production piece like you had said. There is a lot of junk out there people are spending money on.

I'm not against color guides, they're still a historical artifact of comics I love and would get one from the right book at the right price. They occupy a unique place in the art world and in comics, and as something that wasn't religiously saved and are no longer in use, they're value will only increase...as a historical artifact.

On 6/1/2023 at 7:10 AM, Dr. Balls said:

 

Monoprints and color guides should not be in the same pool as original art, as they are technically "production" pieces, created from the art (digital or otherwise) and are a tangible representation of the original - but still, not the original.

 

I wouldn't lump monos and color guides together as I wouldn't call a monoprint a production piece. it played no part in production. A color guide is at least a legit artifact from the production process. which is where it derives most of it's value. A monoprint could be made years after the comic has been printed (as seen with Mister Miracle for instance). An actual artist's proof would be closer to a production artifact (note that in this hobby, i think the term artist's proof is often used improperly).

Top one is Mike Kunkel

Bottom one is Terry Moore.

On 3/14/2023 at 5:10 PM, Brian Peck said:

It's been a while since I posted on this commission thread. 

 

Here are three BLOODY AMAZING commission David Roach did for me recently, don't have them in hand yet but they will be on their way soon.

David drew alot of the Doctor Who comics over the last 20 years and I loved alot of the work he has done. I started watching Doctor Who in the late 70’s and my first and favorite Doctor was Tom Baker. So I commissioned David to draw Tom Baker Who with the companion Leela (Louise Jameson) (another favorite along with Sarah Jane Smith).

I decided to have three commissions referencing the 9 serial which featured 3 serial per commission. I picked which 3 to put together, plus Tom Baker Doctor and Leela and let him run with it. I got to see each one has he finished them and they all blew me away!

I love them all each for different aspects, come end of 2023, it will be tough to pick one for the Best of event. David far exceeding my expectations for this, he is giving Dave Gibbons a run for his money.

 

This one includes "Robots of Death", "Face of Evil" and "Horror of Fang Rock" serials. Robots of Death is a personal favorite of mine and David nailed the character plus the profile of Tom is amazing, love how he slipped in the Tardis. All the characters are spot-on.

 

 

These put me in mind of the classic Target book covers. I wonder if anyone has any of those...?