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Probably. It was a different market back then. Ticket sales just aren’t the same these days. That’s the point. There are exceptions though, Beauty & the Beast being one example I can think of.

It’s possible, but highly unlikely unless it drops roughly 35% weekly over the next couple of months. Endgame made 1.23B by 1st Sunday, 2.18B by 2nd Sunday & 2.48B by it’s 3rd Sunday. This past week is down nearly 70% worldwide with very little competition. So while I still believe it has a chance to pass Avatar with less than 50% weekly drops, it won’t make 3 billion.

I found tonight's battle more epic than the battle of the dead but Dani ruined it & went too far in the end.

Neither is the inflated adjustments. It's been proven that cutting edge modern remakes could still do well but that doesn't mean every film can reach their adjusted price. I get why they use the inflation but it's not logical either. Those films made what they did. Would it be sensible to say someone who sold an Avengers 1 CGC 9.0 for $6k in 2004 made the $38k it sells for now after inflation? Obviously not.

Not sure how calculating old ticket sales at current prices is realistic either. Beauty & the Beast was more successful now than the animated version was in 1991, so it's not impossible for a classic remake to gross the adjusted prices today, but it's highly unlikely in most cases. Aladdin & Lion King might be exceptions as well. Face it, the only way those films could make their adjusted price is to sell the same amount of tickets today & most wouldn't.

The poll would have to specifically ask: Do you believe "classic films name" or a new cutting edge remake would sell as many tickets today as the original did back in the year it was released (the # of tickets sold during it's run would have to be presented as well)? If we calculate BOM adjusted price on GwtW @ 1.82 billion it would calculate out to 202.5 million tickets sold at today's $9 per ticket. I would think this is roughly how they came up with that #, but I'm not sure exactly what year the calculation is from. So the poll should read: Do you believe the original GwtW or a cutting edge remake would sell 200M+ tickets domestically in 2019, like the classic did in it's original run? Yes No That's the only way to determine if people actually believe those inflated prices could be a reality today, since those prices are based on ticket sales. You keep diverging from this original point.

I'm 100% convinced those classics would not sell as many tickets today as they did back then. It would be interesting to see a poll on the topic though.

I honestly doubt many would agree those adjusted prices could actually be a reality today. It is a nice fantasy & way of propping up old classics though.

You're missing the point. It really doesn't matter that they were cutting edge at the time. There's no telling how a remake even with the best current technology would do in today's market. It's about supply & demand. Today's economy has a much greater supply with a much larger & diverse population, making demand for any film much lower than it once was. There's no guarantee Avatar 2 will make what it's predecessor did with today's tech either. Films that do poorly at the BO receive Academy Awards all the time, so that really doesn't factor into the equation. I'm not saying the films wouldn't be well received or make money, I'm simply saying they would never produce the same ticket sales. There are many examples in this regard & it takes nothing away from what the film did, it just relates to how a film would currently do. Maleficent is a modern take on Sleeping Beauty which did very well & according to BOM domestic #'s brought in: Maleficent: 241.41M/$8.17 (2014) = 29.54M tickets sold Sleeping Beauty: 36.48M/$0.51 (1959) = 71.53M tickets sold 15.12M/$3.71 (1986) = 4.07M tickets sold

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It simply converts audience attendance just like it does ticket costs. After all, you are relating ticket costs to another point in time, so it's only logical to relate ticket sales to that same timeline. It doesn't change ticket sales from the initial equation/timeline, just the modern one. $1(198M tickets) in 1965 with 50 - 100 movies in theaters that year = $9(22M tickets) in 2019 with 800 - 900 movies in theaters this year. In this example the same movie makes $198M at both points in time, factoring in timeline changes. BOM shows 876 films came out in 2018 & only 34 made 100M+, of which 20 sit between 100M - 200M. Those 20 films sold 10 - 20 million tickets each. You would need 100 - 200 million tickets sold today to make the majority of the adjusted #'s on that chart, which is something even the biggest blockbusters don't reach today. The market is simply too saturated for any film to make those ticket sales today.

You are free to assume you know what I mean better than I do, but I can't say it more clearly than this has nothing to do with any competition. This is about how the #'s don't add up on inflation imo. You don't have to agree with me but I don't see how that makes it a competition in your mind, especially when I keep saying it's not. I consider this inflation theory like algebra where only one # is being altered in the equation, when both sides are clearly effected. If x = 2a/x & you change X = 10 to X = 100, then a = 50 changes to a = 5000, in relation to X. It's that simple. You can't relate ticket costs of one market to another without factoring in ticket sales in relation to those markets as well. Again, the only realistic solution to inflation is seeing how a modern remake of a film does in today's market. It was Scott Mendelson. I personally think the only thing that could hurt Avatar is if the squeals do poorly. Since they have 4 films planned, I was hoping for 1 or 2 of them to be prequels.

You're the one that keeps bringing competition into it, I'm just saying the inflation prices don't add up. I could have mentioned any movie but this is the Endgame thread. I also used Mary Poppins vs Mary Poppins as an example. Would it be fair to say every chart you post updating a movies gross is about competition? I take it as stats, but then you seem to relate any stats I post to be about competition in an argumentative fashion. It's not about old versus new market or performance, it's about how only one aspect of the market is considered in relation to those inflated adjustments. If you don't want to consider deflation in current market ticket sales, I don't know how you can consider inflation in current market ticket prices. The two go hand in hand. Like you said, it's hard to compare the two because they were different times. They were never comparable to begin with imo & the #'s are simply unrealistic. You're right & that's likely why there are varying #'s between the gross & adjustments of certain films. I will use BOM ticket adjustments to compare both Mary Poppins. Mary Poppins Returns sold roughly 19.1 million tickets @ $9. The original Mary Poppins came out in 1964 @ 31M/$0.93 = 33.33M, being reissued in 1966 @ 57.27M/$1.09 = 52.54M & 1980 @ 14M/$2.69 = 5.20M for a total of 91.07M tickets sold. That's 4.5+ x the modern version & even if new one was reissued several times over the next few decades, it wouldn't make a dent in the original 33.33M tickets sold in 1964 alone. BOM shows reissues for GwtW in 1989 @ 2.4M, 1998 @ 6.75M & 2019 @ 2.17M, with an initial gross of 189.52M in 1939. It's tougher to quantify those ticket sales if the original 189.52M came in over 35 years without details on which years made how much. At any rate, even if it only sold 100 - 200 million tickets in that 35 year span (BOM says tickets were $1.87 in 1974 accounting for 100M+ tickets at that price), I don't believe the original or a remake would sell as many tickets today. It did make roughly 241k (2.17M/$9) in ticket sales over several weeks for it's 80th anniversary a few months back, though it was a very limited release. Maybe it would still do well, but can you even imagine 20M+ tickets sold on a wide reissue over several months in today's market? The only realistic way to know how GwtW would do now is if a modern remake came out, not by calculating 80 years of tickets sales at today's prices.

I'm not looking at it in terms of direct competition, just in terms of ticket sales. They could come out 6 months apart & it wouldn't change the #'s. Those films would never get the same ticket sales today. That's just reality. I don't know why you relate most of my responses to competition. I'm just saying that if you inflate one end, you have to deflate the other end in the same respect to time, place & circumstance. If they brought out a remake of those old films today for example, with current cinematography & actors, they wouldn't make the adjusted #'s. Mary Poppins returns being a perfect example.

Makes sense, but I’d say it’s estimating what those ticket sales would have amounted to today rather than what the movie would have actually grossed today. They account for inflated ticket costs but not deflated ticket sales. Best example is Endgame making 800 domestic accounts for roughly 80 million tickets sold. In comparison GwtW’s 200 accounts for roughly 800 million tickets sold at $0.25 each. That should actually be more like 8 billion in today’s market at $10 each, but BOM adjusts it to 1.8 billion. Does anyone actually believe GwtW would outsell Endgame 10:1 in today’s market? It wouldn’t happen. It’s more likely the odds are 1:10 against Endgame. Avatar @ $7.50 & Titanic @ $5 are probably the only modern movies that sold around 400 million tickets, but that’s worldwide, not just domestic.

I honestly don’t know. Endgame will struggle to get 800 domestic if it keeps dropping 60%.

I would love to see them bring back John Doe. I can't believe they cancelled that show after 1 season. It has been 16 years, but it seems they can bring anything back these days.

A Thanos trilogy as a Prequel to the Infinity Saga would be a good idea.

That's another good reason why those adjusted for inflation prices on boxofficemojo.com would never be a reality in today's society. I still would have expected at least 4 months in theaters before Digital & Blu-Ray though.

I didn't know they picked up Designated Survivor. Looking forward to that as well.

Feel free to PM with offers. Will be closing this thread & listing them on eBay again over the weekend.

Yes, exactly what they did with Captain Marvel. I don’t think many of us expected it to reach around 430 Domestic last month. That’s amazing. Glad you pointed that out. I always said this inflations chart is laughable. Guess I never paid close attention to those details.

I would expect this to happen around the time Spidey comes to theaters.

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