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+1 Love her outfit.

Agreed.

Not important. Thought the X-Men 1 in your sig looked familiar & then you mentioned you were french Canadian, so I thought I'd ask.

You see positive thinking can go a long way!! He was being sarcastic, not positive. Oh well let him be happy about being unhappy about the new X-Men movie....he has the right to unhappiness just like anyone else!! I've got to ask. Is this Adrian or Jason in Gatineau?

I hope the movie is good but reviews have been harsh. That hasn't kept people from liking BvS though.

You see positive thinking can go a long way!! He was being sarcastic, not positive.

All of this is assumption that it is a Tibet issue. I wouldn't be surprised if they had focus groups that told them that Millennials don't like seeing really old people in their movies. The bottom line is that no one really knows what the reasoning was, and you can either get over it or not. It is a Tibet issue according to screenwriter C. Robert Cargill. Here's the original post where you have one of the screenwriters of Doctor Strange commenting on it as being the reason for the change, which is where this whole debate originates from. He makes it sound like the change to the character's origin was to appease the Chinese box office. Ouch! This is total BS. If anything the real politics would be about acknowledging Tibet as the location itself. Do they think it will be any less insulting to the Chinese by having a British woman playing the role of a Tibetan Monk? The Chinese don't want to acknowledge Tibet as an autonomous region. As far as they're concerned, it's always been part of China. This whole stereotype excuse is actually a moot point. It's like saying Chinese people won't watch Asian martial arts movies because it's too stereotypical. All they had to do was change the locations name from Tibet to Nepal. Changing the characters race was not necessary. It looks like Strange is traveling to Nepal in the trailer anyways, cause they do show a Kathmandu temple at one point. So where does the issue of race come in? This is just a poor excuse to justify their decision, rather than the actual reason behind it. Besides, I think the Ancient One being Asian would have actually increased ticket sales in China.

You mean the writer that worked on the -script stating this clearly was actually all made up? I think Tilda Swinton is a fantastic actress. I loved her performance in the Constantine movie as Gabriel, along with her evil role in Snowpiercer (what a transformation). But this shows in this worldwide box office universe even Marvel Studios will continue making decisions to appease certain markets. They did it with Iron Man 3 with the Chinese 'Tony Stark heart operation' scene which really added no value to the story. But it sure paid off big for that movie, exceeding even what Avengers achieved at the Chinese box office. It's not about Tilda Swinton or her performance. If they decided to make gender or race changes to Odin, Thor, Loki, Hawkeye, Captain America, Falcon, etc... it would upset some people regardless of how great the actors playing those roles are. I'm just saying that they should have just been honest & said they wanted to change things up rather than using Chinese politics as an excuse for doing so. I know there's a few articles that refute it, but what if Chinese politics really was at least a significant part of the rationale for the change? China by far the biggest international market for US movies, why even a little bit risk ticking them off? THEY BANNED DEADPOOL, a recent Marvel movie with content deemed objectionable in China. And yes making references to Tibet and Tibetan monks is still a touchy subject for the Chinese govt. We act like these huge corporations somehow have a duty to make things 'equal' in Hollywood. What? Why? They still used an Asian actor to play Wong, so I don't buy that China would have been upset over the Ancient One's race. They banned Deadpool because of all the vulgar profanity. I wouldn't compare the two. There's no need to reference Wong one way or another in discussions about Tibet. He's an ethnically Chinese (non-Tibetan) man living in New York City, at least from the Marvel stories. But a Tibetan Monk living in a temple in the mountains of Tibet? Makes it pretty hard to ignore the Tibet issue. Generally, Tibetans (especially ancient ones) are very likely to be of a different race than other parts of China. So Marvel could either say all people in China are the same by using a 'Han' (the predominate race in China), but everyone in China would know the difference, or use someone 'Tibetan' and risk ticking off the Chinese government, assuming you could even find a Tibetan actor who spoke English well enough. I'm not saying Deadpool and Dr Strange would receive bans for the same reason, just that China has a VERY recent history of banning a Marvel movie. I get that would not be for the same reason, just saying that I don't think the potential 'ban factor' can be denied completely as a factor in decision making. China actually controls how many foreign movies can be in Chinese theaters at one time, and controls how long they are allowed to be shown. There are very real negotiations and strategies that are occurring ALL the time between movie companies and the Chinese authorities with regards to scheduling, and they absolutely impact the bottom line of movie studios. I don't know why exactly the Ancient One was cast as a white woman, and I'm guessing most people don't other than some very specific decision makers at Marvel. Could be for commercial reasons, could be racism, could be a Tilda Swinton won a bet with Kevin Feige, but I'm just saying its not so far fetched that it could be concerns about the 'Tibet' issue with China or Chinese investors (who play a HUGE role in dam near all American movies now). Could be a combo of all of the above, but not all race issues are about insidious RACISM of the decision makers. There will be no reference to Tibet in the movie, so that is really a moot point. They're filming in Nepal (there's no way China would allow filming in Tibet) & so they could have given the role to an Asian as a Nepalese Monk without causing any upset to China. I'd consider buying that, if they're calling it Nepal and not Tibet, but it also depends on how and when decisions were made. For example, if they initially thought it was going to be Tibet, then cast a white lady to avoid the Tibet issue, then eventually decided to change it to Nepal to avoid all Tibet issues entirely, but too late to go back and recast. My ultimate point is, there's so many things that go into it, and we just don't know how/why/when decisions are made, and racism is a very serious thing to accuse ANYONE of without proof. I don't doubt that things (sometimes terrible) things are done in service of the bottom line, but institutional racism is different than trying to give your potential audience something which you believe will make the most money. I don't believe racism ever factored into the situation. There is no doubt they are using Nepal as the name & not just the location. Using Tibet as the name of the location & Tibetan as the Ancient One's race in the film is what would have caused problems, not the actor being Asian. I'm sure Marvel was well aware of that before any casting took place. I'm just saying there was no reason they couldn't use an Asian actor based on the argument that was presented & it felt like an excuse. Again, it's the words Tibet/Tibetan that will cause problems with China, not the actors race. Therefore there was no need to use an actor that is not Asian, which is the real argument here.

You mean the writer that worked on the -script stating this clearly was actually all made up? I think Tilda Swinton is a fantastic actress. I loved her performance in the Constantine movie as Gabriel, along with her evil role in Snowpiercer (what a transformation). But this shows in this worldwide box office universe even Marvel Studios will continue making decisions to appease certain markets. They did it with Iron Man 3 with the Chinese 'Tony Stark heart operation' scene which really added no value to the story. But it sure paid off big for that movie, exceeding even what Avengers achieved at the Chinese box office. It's not about Tilda Swinton or her performance. If they decided to make gender or race changes to Odin, Thor, Loki, Hawkeye, Captain America, Falcon, etc... it would upset some people regardless of how great the actors playing those roles are. I'm just saying that they should have just been honest & said they wanted to change things up rather than using Chinese politics as an excuse for doing so. I know there's a few articles that refute it, but what if Chinese politics really was at least a significant part of the rationale for the change? China by far the biggest international market for US movies, why even a little bit risk ticking them off? THEY BANNED DEADPOOL, a recent Marvel movie with content deemed objectionable in China. And yes making references to Tibet and Tibetan monks is still a touchy subject for the Chinese govt. We act like these huge corporations somehow have a duty to make things 'equal' in Hollywood. What? Why? They still used an Asian actor to play Wong, so I don't buy that China would have been upset over the Ancient One's race. They banned Deadpool because of all the vulgar profanity. I wouldn't compare the two. There's no need to reference Wong one way or another in discussions about Tibet. He's an ethnically Chinese (non-Tibetan) man living in New York City, at least from the Marvel stories. But a Tibetan Monk living in a temple in the mountains of Tibet? Makes it pretty hard to ignore the Tibet issue. Generally, Tibetans (especially ancient ones) are very likely to be of a different race than other parts of China. So Marvel could either say all people in China are the same by using a 'Han' (the predominate race in China), but everyone in China would know the difference, or use someone 'Tibetan' and risk ticking off the Chinese government, assuming you could even find a Tibetan actor who spoke English well enough. I'm not saying Deadpool and Dr Strange would receive bans for the same reason, just that China has a VERY recent history of banning a Marvel movie. I get that would not be for the same reason, just saying that I don't think the potential 'ban factor' can be denied completely as a factor in decision making. China actually controls how many foreign movies can be in Chinese theaters at one time, and controls how long they are allowed to be shown. There are very real negotiations and strategies that are occurring ALL the time between movie companies and the Chinese authorities with regards to scheduling, and they absolutely impact the bottom line of movie studios. I don't know why exactly the Ancient One was cast as a white woman, and I'm guessing most people don't other than some very specific decision makers at Marvel. Could be for commercial reasons, could be racism, could be a Tilda Swinton won a bet with Kevin Feige, but I'm just saying its not so far fetched that it could be concerns about the 'Tibet' issue with China or Chinese investors (who play a HUGE role in dam near all American movies now). Could be a combo of all of the above, but not all race issues are about insidious RACISM of the decision makers. There will be no reference to Tibet in the movie, so that is really a moot point. They're filming in Nepal (there's no way China would allow filming in Tibet) & so they could have given the role to an Asian as a Nepalese Monk without causing any upset to China.

That's odd, I thought he was suppose to be an unknown race! Starhawk is human/enhanced humanoid. I guess they will change that too.

You mean the writer that worked on the -script stating this clearly was actually all made up? I think Tilda Swinton is a fantastic actress. I loved her performance in the Constantine movie as Gabriel, along with her evil role in Snowpiercer (what a transformation). But this shows in this worldwide box office universe even Marvel Studios will continue making decisions to appease certain markets. They did it with Iron Man 3 with the Chinese 'Tony Stark heart operation' scene which really added no value to the story. But it sure paid off big for that movie, exceeding even what Avengers achieved at the Chinese box office. It's not about Tilda Swinton or her performance. If they decided to make gender or race changes to Odin, Thor, Loki, Hawkeye, Captain America, Falcon, etc... it would upset some people regardless of how great the actors playing those roles are. I'm just saying that they should have just been honest & said they wanted to change things up rather than using Chinese politics as an excuse for doing so. I know there's a few articles that refute it, but what if Chinese politics really was at least a significant part of the rationale for the change? China by far the biggest international market for US movies, why even a little bit risk ticking them off? THEY BANNED DEADPOOL, a recent Marvel movie with content deemed objectionable in China. And yes making references to Tibet and Tibetan monks is still a touchy subject for the Chinese govt. We act like these huge corporations somehow have a duty to make things 'equal' in Hollywood. What? Why? They still used an Asian actor to play Wong, so I don't buy that China would have been upset over the Ancient One's race. They banned Deadpool because of all the vulgar profanity. I wouldn't compare the two.

You mean the writer that worked on the -script stating this clearly was actually all made up? I think Tilda Swinton is a fantastic actress. I loved her performance in the Constantine movie as Gabriel, along with her evil role in Snowpiercer (what a transformation). But this shows in this worldwide box office universe even Marvel Studios will continue making decisions to appease certain markets. They did it with Iron Man 3 with the Chinese 'Tony Stark heart operation' scene which really added no value to the story. But it sure paid off big for that movie, exceeding even what Avengers achieved at the Chinese box office. It's not about Tilda Swinton or her performance. If they decided to make gender or race changes to Odin, Thor, Loki, Hawkeye, Captain America, Falcon, etc... it would upset some people regardless of how great the actors playing those roles are. I'm just saying that they should have just been honest & said they wanted to change things up rather than using Chinese politics as an excuse for doing so.

Agreed. She is actually one of my favorite characters in the current Marvel crop. Just finished "Hitchcock." She was a terrific Janet Leigh. Even in her most WTF movies like "Under The Skin," she dominates a role no matter how un-commercial. I have yet to see "Lucy" though. She's does well. The movie itself gets kind of weird, but she carries it fine the whole time. I think a solo movie would be fine for her, maybe some type of 'taken' or bourne identity movie. She can target the black widow program and take on the newest black widow or widows. or something. I think it would make more sense if it was a prequel to her work with the Avengers, like I would expect of a solo Nick Fury film.

Nope. No boobs.

I'll admit that Milla would have been a better choice, but I'm still happy with Scarlett's performance. I like that she had longer hair in Civil War.

Made a large purchase from Greg. Transaction went very smoothly. Very quick shipping. Will definitely be a repeat customer.

Somehow you've managed to miss the point completely. It isn't the traditional Lois Lane & Clark/Superman dynamic that creates an atmosphere of sexism. Heck, even in the 50's TV series Phyllis Coates could be seen acting decisively at personal risk and not calling out for Superman's help when she got into trouble. Saving Lois isn't the issue. I suppose given the modern rebooting of the characters it SHOULD be an issue in keeping with the realistic dystopian world because retaining the traditional dynamic when Superman is so radically reenvisioned could be viewed as sexism, but I digress. The real issue based on MoS (which is the stencil on which BvS was written and filmed) is that attractive females cast as professional women are either depicted as vapid sexpots or solely dependent upon their male counterparts. Forget Martha Kent for a moment as she symbolizes something entirely different (think along the lines of Yoda from Star Wars or any other mentoring figure). One nauseating example toward the end of MoS was the very attractive female staff officer who commented that Superman was hot to her commanding officer. Nothing humorous about that, it was sexist and unprofessional. If you don't like the word sexism how would you describe the diminutive role iconography of women in Zack's Superman films? There's gotta be something better or more constructive to do than to get your panties in a bunch about sexism in comic book movies ... So sexism isn't important? Not that I agree with charges of rampant sexism...it all seems to be part of the current trend to be offended by everything...but there were characters that were underused in BvS and they happened to be female. However, your comment appears to be somewhat sexist? I could pick out any random movie and point out where female characters were underused, doesn't mean it was a sexist movie. as for my somewhat sexist comment, it definitely was! If the movie was Wonder Woman v Lois, I would agree that the main female cast was underused, but the women were only meant to play small supporting roles in this film. If we see this little of Gal Gadot in Wonder Woman next year, then I would take issue with it myself. I honestly thought they gave more significance to the role of Lois in MOS by having her communicate with Jor-El instead of Clark. How does the female SO saying Superman is hot make it sexist? Unprofessional, yes. I'm sure that's what everyone was thinking when we saw Wonder Woman in BvS, so does that mean we're all sexist in your mind? Anyways, my intention wasn't to get drawn into a tense debate but rather to try & defuse one. Maybe that's just not possible here.

But what if everything is sexist...? I'm effing with you. Its not. Some people are way too sensitive to the point where its almost impossible to not offend, or impossible to have a conversation with them. To suggest that the level of 'sexism' in MOS is "unconscionable"....well that is "unconscionable" I didn't fall asleep during MOS because the high level of 'sexism' just shut down my brain. I fell asleep because it was BORING AS A EFFFF. Upon rewatch it was better, but it just didn't lead more towards anything I was looking for. Although afterward I wished it was just a Lois Lane movie and about how she solves the mystery of finding out who Superman is. Like I wish that was the whole movie. Is misogynist to not have made that movie instead? I have no idea. Everyone sees things differently & there will always be something in any film (even in the best ones) that nudge us the wrong way. So, should they stop making films because some people are too sensitive? They're trying to bring these comics to life & I for one appreciate their effort. It doesn't mean I love every movie, but I try to enjoy them all regardless. We should stop whining about what we didn't get & start appreciating what we did. I had a few issues with BvS myself, but I'm not going to go on about it forever.

I don't know how any of you could be Superman fans & cry sexism or misogyny when it comes to the the whole Superman/Lois dynamic. Lois has more or less always been portrayed as the damsel that needs Superman's saving. Nobody will cry sexism if Wonder Woman swoops in to protect Steve Trevor. The way you guys talk about this, it's like the these heroes should only save people of the same gender or there's some negative connotation to the whole scene. A man saving a woman, doesn't necessarily imply prejudice or discrimination against women. Get over it already. You guys are taking this way too far. You'd literally have to label just about everything as sexist at that rate.

I would have preferred this design to the one they used.

Ouch.

I'm glad to hear someone like Takei speak out about this. I don't agree with his comment on white audiences want to see white faces part though. They did cast a black Mordo after all. I think Takei would have been perfect for the role of the Ancient One. I don't know why Marvel keeps trying to pull gender or race switches on their characters. They should just bring in more Marvel characters of different genders & races into the fold.

I would love to see Morbius as the main villain some day. It might be a bit early on for that now though, but the seeing Spidey with 6 arms on the big screen would be awesome. Vampires have been a popular topic, with so many TV shows being based around them these days. That would make for an incredible film.