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Imparting, not ‘implying’ or ‘inferring’.

Read it today. Thought it was OK to good. Some of the familiar FF family elements were there. Agree it’s not a spec candidate. Also agree with the post stating Pichelli’s art wasn’t very good. It’s a far cry from her nice clean work on USM.

And that's why, just because CGC puts something on a label, it's not 'the word of God'.

It doesn't matter if CGC takes a view. As far as valuation goes, CGC is the tail. The comic buying market is the dog. As far as a literal first appearance, they're either there or they're not.

Lemmings, meet cliff.

 I second the boringness of Oblivion song also the dialogue on the cover alone makes me want to not buy it. =P No kidding. All that boring character development, world building, and intrigue...

Were you planning to smuggle some back? Don’t customs have you on a watchlist?

 From here, it seems like there has been a surge recently. I’m trying to suss out whether there’s been a surge, or whether it’s simply the new rage to chase every single new character appearance, no matter how significant, and hype each and every one on internet message boards. I think it’s a bit of both. The gestalt, to me, was that there was a period in the aughts when very few new characters were being created relative to the historical norm, so I think there has been an increase lately. But I think the spotlight effect is magnifying the perception.

The 25th Anniversary issue of New Mutants is one of my favorite stand alone comic issues. Great story! Just reread that the other day, after reading the above posts.

Where is krighton? Come back...

The OPG imposes all sorts of rules, front cover to back. Just sayin'.... Even a "glossary" is an imposition of rules, after all. Can you name any exceptions...any at all...to the originality concept...? You know, where a story has appeared that was entirely original in comic book format (ie, not a magazine that was later reprinted into comic book form), that is NOT considered a "first appearance" if the story contained appearances by characters that had never appeared before...? It's fairly straightforward. Original story and art that contains an appearance by characters not seen before - first appearance. Not original, destined to be printed somewhere else - not first appearance. All the "muddling" doesn't change any of that. You put the books in question in publication order, and find the original work. DONE. That's the first appearance. I'm commenting more from the standpoint of the functional definition of first appearance, which tends to be how the market bandies about the expression 'first appearance'. IH 180 is Wolverine's first appearance, but colloquially 181 is often called the 'first appearance'. Of course, it's not the literal first appearance, but we've essentially co-opted the term over time to mean 'most important introduction issue.' Happy to agree with your rule if we're taking a literal approach.

It's probably going too far to say something is a hard and fast rule - there's always exceptions. At most, any 'rule' is the prevailing generalization. Lately there's been so many ambiguous cases (n.b. K Khan) that trying to impose rules is like herding cats.

For sure, and on top of that, labels have been changed. Therefor validating their importance. The whimsy and spuriousness of the CGC labels has already been discussed.

Yep. (but I enjoyed it.) What's that say about me? Some people like hashing these points out. It's especially relevant if it's a significant trend, as ygogolak seems to think. I tend to disagree with the magnitude of the trend, but it can't be denied that the propagandizing about these items has markedly increased in the last 3-5 years.

You're absolutely right because no one besides the three of you has ever had a conversation just like this one for hundreds of pages in the past 16 years on this board. Might want to suggest that's what you're addressing when you post then, rather than posting what looks like commentary specific to this thread's discussion.

I don't mind either brand. I do like the convenience of the resealable bags. I absolutely detest the 'Vintage' brand of boards that tend to warp and curl.

I don’t think anyone spouted any such nonsense. You’re preaching to three collectors/debaters who are very well versed in the economics of the hobby. The only point that came remotely close was when RMA compared Capes 1 to WD 1, and in that instance it was specifically noted that insight could be drawn because print runs were similar.

It is an equation, if done correctly. Value = Demand / Supply  The Value of an individual book is the Overall Demand divided by the Overall Supply. My comment was confined purely to the fact that ygogolak had no intention of posting an equation.

How are trades and omnibuses NOT moderns that are heating up on eBay? For all the knowledge that is shared on here, I am shocked at how people disregard another part of the same hobby. I’m shocked that some people are such rigid thinkers that interesting and relevant related discussions are frowned upon. Do we need separate threads for moderns selling at shows, at LCSs, on Comiclink, Heritage etc, etc?

I hope you're joking. Do the math, if supply was 1 copy and demand was every-person-on-Earth, you're saying value would be almost zero. I don’t think he was posting it as an equation. Switch out the slash for a +.

I’m not sure how old he was at the time, but I suspect he did indeed do what made him happy. I picture Uncle Scrooge in the vault, doing the backstroke in a hefty pile of bills. Given that he’s back doing incentive covers for Marvel, though, I suspect he’d agree with many of us of experience and vintage - ‘if I knew then what I know now...’

Maybe more. Word was, he banked $1M on Pitt 1 alone, then retreated to his Fortress of Solitude in Grande Prairie to focus on his band. Strike while the iron is hot certainly would’ve applied here.

Actually he only did the first 4 issues of NYX, he couldn't even finish the whole 6 issues. Hughes and Campbell have at least held it down on a monthly title before for more than 4 issues. Of course you can talk about money but when these talented guys don't give us any creativity or storytelling in a medium that is currently dying for that very thing, it is disheartening.  It is disheartening as a fan, but, putting myself in the artists`shoes, I`d happily do covers exclusively for the kind of money JSC and others are getting. Truthfully, this is a monster of our (collectors as a whole) own creation. I agree we continue to fund the monster. I think its become its own legit field, but I am hoping the last few books like ASM 800 and Bat 50 wear out the market. Credit where credit is due, though - some of these ‘hot cover artists’ are doing some eye popping work.

Having an echo chamber helps. Also, having a forum where you can outsize your opinion and views, also helps.

Your point about what the masses see is important. I still think you’re arguing for the masses you experience, though, which may be internet and spec site skewed. I don’t get people at shows saying ‘well, that’s what the CGC label says’ or ‘let’s check the label’. They don’t say, ‘well, I better consider IH 180 more important, given the label’. My perspective comes from setting up at 8-12 shows a year, and dealing with the LCS and show crowds.