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You're right. There was no Ebay for Magnus 12. Hell, there was no internet at all for Magnus 12. There was also no CGC. That's why they feel different. It took months to get to this level of fervor. However, It's the exact same principle. I was there for the Magnus nuttiness. I was trading Magnus 0s with card for $200 in Silver Age sticker at the 1992 Heroes Con. I had a big stack of Magnus 0s. That pile of trade paid a lot of car payments during the mid-90s. This is exactly the same - a bubble. Sell now. How about a complete run of ASM from #27 to #150 all in VF or better in trade for a complete pre-unity set? It happened. (thumbs u My pre-unity stuff went out the door in exchange for SA Marvel.

Should be lots of ungraded 9.8s out there. Not sustainable past the point where a flood of them get sent in to be graded based on this sale (and any other 200-300 $ sales, if they occur)

He'd probably get a pass, if he hadn't come in with: I have a few questions for our board appointed economics professors (I play one at the local University in real life, by the way). That sort of hubris will earn you an 'I told you so' every time.

He was here a couple of days ago.

What's the last hit that Dark Horse had? What's the last non-movie-property hit that Dark Horse had? Hellboy? Look what they've done to you. At least the Chief escaped.

+1 Somehow the idea of buying a slab and cracking it does not enter people's minds.

Man! you started calling me names first, i was just expressing myself. you dont know me, i dont know you. i never said i was right i just said think outside the box. That's not outside the box thinking. It's stating the obvious. The simplistic point you're making is well known to this community. Maybe let the WizardWorld boards in on it.

This board is extremely knowledgable. Bringing this point up here is like pointing out to an astronomy board that the sun rises in the east.

Would TWENTY-SIX links in support of a claim qualify??

Your contributions to this thread are much appreciated. Thank you for the legwork you've done.

Newsstand copies.

As opposed to the less spendthrift half-hardy. A full-hardy man is good to find, said the lady.

It may have sold for that, but it wasn't in 2007. Think the vendor was asking $45k for it at SDCC around 2005 so would be surprised it he accepted a "low ball" offer of $25k straight cash. Which is exactly why I said what I said. If it sold for $25k it was long before 2007. (thumbs u Sold in 2002(?) by the Hawaiian guys - can't remember their name.

I for one, would like to know payment was made before marking this up as a sale.

My daughter wears a halter top just like yours, Harold.

He has a full staff of doctor's on these boards. Don't worry about him. DR.X But he never pays his bills...

CGC is responsible for grading comic books. Period. They do not control the end market. Their business is simply to accept comic book submissions, and grade these books as accurately as possible. End market prices, and buying decisions are in the hands of the individual buyers. The end result of those buying decisions are likewise the responsibility of the buyers.

I know he IS, but without a piece of paper that says he is I can't do my Ebay thing. He isn't. He's the common-law partner of DD's mother. Richard Koos, night nurse. I suspect he'll be having second thoughts about helping out 'that no good son of hers' when the subpoena arrives.

Really? Surely not pre-1990 newsprint, flimsy stock books? Hey, you know me. If I think something's got a strong shot at a 9.9, it's not without reallllllly good reason. As someone who has had several books fail a 9.8 pre-screen, only to be subsequently graded 9.8 on a second go-round, I can tell you for sure that "cusp" books can go either way. I currently have two books sitting in 9.8 slabs that are legit 9.9 copies, and which will be cracked and re-subbed at a time when I feel the grading is most in my favor (keeping in mind that this is two our of several hundred 9.8s) There aren't many people who could reasonably resub a 9.8 hoping for a 9.9. You'd be one. Still, on the size of the cajones required to resub a 9.8... With you there. It'd be very easy to miss a subtle surface scuff through a slab. Yeah, and this is the rub with a book like Hulk 181. Who is resubbing a 9.8 hoping for a 9.9, realistically? The chance of a 9.6 regrade probably outweighs the lottery hope of a 9.9. And that's without considering the chance of untoward events, like namisgr's OO ASM 121 that suddenly developed a paper clip impression.

I would say that the odds that at least one other 9.9 Hulk 181 will appear at some point are much higher than the odds that there will never be another 9.9 or 10.0 Hulk 181. At least I know which bet I would take. of course you can make this comment, the odds are in your favor, there are still thousands of ungraded hulk 181's. Well, various posters in this thread that I respect, including Bob, seemed to be saying they didn`t see another 9.9 copy coming along anytime soon. My point was that anyone who`s willing to pay any sort of $80K price for this 9.9 copy is essentially betting that another one will never appear, and that`s not a bet that I would ever take personally. I agree with you, and, like Bob S, was responding to the idea that 'a few' more 9.9s would surface. I'd take the same bet you would. The biggest question is whether some of these shelf bought copies will surface, or whether the owners are lifers, like the 95 year old owner of the Savannah collection. As i said before, the low hanging fruit has been plucked.

Really? Surely not pre-1990 newsprint, flimsy stock books?

I am completely with you on the concept that we will see a handful of 9.9's within 5 years. OK. How is this going to happen? We've discussed pressing, and the fact that the micro defects that separate 9.9s from 9.8s are near universally not pressable. CGC has been up and running 10 years. Hulk 181 is one of the most subbed books. One 9.9 has been graded. Dealers and collectors have subbed the low hanging fruit. So where do you see these 9.9s coming from. From the increasing pool of 9.8's. (thumbs u OK. How? These things aren't wine. They don't improve with age. What's going to turn these 9.8s into 9.9s? Pressing won't. On top of that, I don't know of anyone resubbing 9.8s in hopes of a grade bump.

I am completely with you on the concept that we will see a handful of 9.9's within 5 years. OK. How is this going to happen? We've discussed pressing, and the fact that the micro defects that separate 9.9s from 9.8s are near universally not pressable. CGC has been up and running 10 years. Hulk 181 is one of the most subbed books. One 9.9 has been graded. Dealers and collectors have subbed the low hanging fruit. So where do you see these 9.9s coming from.