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Posts posted by RabidFerret
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I hear this way too much when comics are brought up in the 90's or in general period " Rob Liefeld destroyed The industry" "He Can't draw feet,faces,remember that cap picture,Pouches etc,etc."well I do however agree(very much)that its true but its way too easy to add to this played out dead horse of a subject.However,I do have a a rather interesting question What is your Favorite Art,Drawing or story by Rob Liefeld?This should be Interesting Can't wait to see what you guys have to say...
Well, since this thread immediately devolved into a bunch of sheep baah-ing the same tired, old criticisms and showing no appreciation or interest in actually discussing art, I'll actually answer the topic itself.
I think this is his best piece ever:
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A. You are actually comparing, a high profile, published art piece...by an artist in his PRIME, to a quick fan sketch...by an artist in the twilight of his career.
B. Faults aside, the Kirby sketch STILL blows the Liefield piece out of the water.
A) I am comparing an obscure Liefeld piece to an obscure piece of Kirby's.The only reason anyone knows the Liefeld piece is because it keeps being used to mock him. This is not a high profile piece in any way. Can you even tell me where it saw print?
Here's a nice finished pencil Kirby piece if that's better?
Or here's a finished ink piece used as a lithograph?
B) But this is exactly my point - plenty of people ignore any of Kirby's mistakes and put him on a pedestal. And it's not that I'm in any way trying to say Liefeld is at the level of Kirby. Not even close. But people continue to ignore horrible Kirby art while mocking Liefeld.
My point is simply that every artist has bad art. Even the greats. Yet Liefeld is held to this crazy standard and mocked, in this case for a 20 year old piece of art.
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Jeff Wadlow and Mark Millar have yet to announce the five person roster for the movie, but many believe Cable and Deadpool are locked in for two spots.
Who would be your Five?
My five would be:.
1) Cable
2) Deadpool
3) Domino
4) Warpath
5) and a bratty joke cracking Boom Boom
with an assist from Forge ( but no field action)
I didn't know it had been confirmed as a five person roster. Where was that announced?
I believe that Cable and Deadpool are pretty fixed for the movie but would Deadpool definitely be on the team? He could be more interesting as an initial antagonist who later finds himself on the same side.
I'd like to see:
X-Force:
1) Cable
2) Domino
3) Warlock(probably no chance)
4) Cannonball
5) Boom Boom
6) Sunspot
Main Villain:
1) Styfe and the MLF
Quasi-villain:
1) Deadpool
Cameos:
1) Shatterstar
2) Forge
Characters they could introduce and kill off:
1) Cypher
2) Rusty
3) Skids
4) Rictor
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All those you mention are owned my Marvel/Disney (except for Namor)
They have better writers,directors than Fox does.
Not disputing that at all.
But the original comment was not about the skill of the film writers, but about the fanbase for the comic book characters. I'd imagine there are more Cable fans out there than Ant-Man fans:)
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I just find it comical how many people hate and mock him while giving free passes to plenty of other people for similar issues. Kirby, Mignola, Lee, McFarlane, etc all make the same mistakes, avoid feet and drawing things they don't like, but aren't repeatedly dragged out and mocked for it:)
You're right. Kirby made this same mistake
With that said, you're entitled to like what you like and build your collection how you want to. It is what makes this hobby great. My dislike for Liefled is in no way belittling what you enjoy. I just hope they don't use that same exact lineup. I really liked Remender's run of UXF.
This Cap image is basically the single image everyone points to...and with good reason. It sucks. Not arguing that at all:)
But sticking with the Cap analogy, here's a quick example of a Kirby hand I've seen a few times. Do those really look like fingers? Does he have a thumb?
I'm not even pushing for the same lineup per se, just that it would be cool if it followed the original concept of X-Force, which was mutants going past goodie two-shoes approach Xavier pushed for and treating it more like a take no prisoners war. It was a very different take at the time.
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Are you Rob Liefeld?
Haha, no. I just find it comical how many people hate and mock him while giving free passes to plenty of other people for similar issues. Kirby, Mignola, Lee, McFarlane, etc all make the same mistakes, avoid feet and drawing things they don't like, but aren't repeatedly dragged out and mocked for it:)
Liefeld has become the go-to punching bag for the industry that seems to conveniently forget all the good things he brought to comics(Cable, Deadpool, Image Comics, etc)
Other than Cable,Warpath,and Domino,Liefeld's X-Force isn't really a team mainstream moviegoers are excited to see on the big screen.As opposed to mainstream stalwarts like Guardians of the Galaxy? Or Ant-Man? Or Dr Strange? Or Namor? Or Black Panther?
Haha, c'mon, there are plenty of questionable properties being made into movies these days whose audience is almost entirely comic fans.
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C'mon, is nobody excited for an actual Liefeld version? This thread seems to mostly be people bashing him with the same weak jokes and arguments that were old in the 90s:)
The end of New Mutants and the beginning of X-Force were very fun and badass books. People read it and loved it, which is why the speculators showed up and pushed it to 5 million copies without alternate covers and foil embossed BS.
Sure, it went downhill soon enough, but the run of NM93-NM100 and XF 1-4 were solid books and we'd be lucky to get something as cool made into a movie.
Instead we're stuck with the tired old Ratner/Singer sanitized and castrated X-Men movies of late that pale next to the comics...
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I got my first piece in 1998 by mail after a few phone calls back and forth to The Spider's Web out in Puyallup, WA. This was the store mentioned in the back of an early issue of Spider-Man that was co-owned by Todd McFarlane and handled all his original art.
There was no scan or photo available back then. You had to wait for the guy at the shop to get the pile of art in front of him and look through it! And since I didn't have these issues with me in college, I had to go to the mall where the comic shop luckily had a trade paperback.
But keep in mind you didn't have cell phones, so I had to run back and forth between the comic shop and the pay phone to call the store for descriptions since all the page numbers were different. It's a lot easier today!!
Anyways, here's my first. I didn't get another piece for almost 2 years.
What is your Favorite Art,Drawing or story by Rob Liefeld?
in Comics General
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The problem here is that you could do this FOR ANYONE. Pick any artist and any piece of art, and if you've already decided you don't like the artist, you'll find plenty of things to mock.
And the reverse is true too, that if you love the artist you'll ignore all the same issues.
Even though I just posted this on another thread yesterday, it fits in well here too.
Want to go through picking apart all the things wrong with this piece?