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Both. But if I was going or his first appearance (and collectors are allowed to do that, y'know) then I would choose the issue he actually appeared in first. If someone told me that Elf-Frog #4 was Tedious Toad's first appearance & that's what I wanted, but it was actually the last page of Elf-Frog #3, I'd be disappointed - especially if I spent 10 times on Elf-Frog #4 than I did the issue I wanted, EF3. -slym

Do I really need to go into this again? Did you ever read comics as a kid? As in READ them just to READ them and experience the stories, follow your favorite characters, etc.? Well I did, and before sportscard dealers brought this whole "rookie card" mentality to comics in the late-80's, people actually READ these things, so ask yourself this: If you are looking to READ and collect a back issue (remember, there were no TPBs) about your fave character's past exploits, would you choose: a) a comic with the first single panel of your fave character and no cover appearance. or b) a comic with the first entire story about your fave character and an action cover image. That's why "first FULL appearances/covers" were more popular and worth more historically pre-CGC, and will continue to be, as in the CGC entombed comic world, covers mean more than ever. You don't need to shoehorn a first appearance label onto a particular issue just because it is the more sought after book among a character's early appearances. You don't need to call 181 the first appearance of Wolverine to sell it as a desirable issue, the cover and it being his first fight with hulk are enough. +1 -slym

Do I really need to go into this again? Did you ever read comics as a kid? As in READ them just to READ them and experience the stories, follow your favorite characters, etc.? Well I did, and before sportscard dealers brought this whole "rookie card" mentality to comics in the late-80's, people actually READ these things, so ask yourself this: If you are looking to READ and collect a back issue (remember, there were no TPBs) about your fave character's past exploits, would you choose: a) a comic with the first single panel of your fave character and no cover appearance. or b) a comic with the first entire story about your fave character and an action cover image. That's why "first FULL appearances/covers" were more popular and worth more historically pre-CGC, and will continue to be, as in the CGC entombed comic world, covers mean more than ever. I really appreciate this post. The attention that the Marvel movies brought to the hobby has been a mixed blessing. I love selling books that were drek a few years ago for three and four figures and buying books that I really love. But, it seems that the hobby is losing it's connection with the stories inside the books and trying to develop a formulaic approach to predicting what books will yield the most profit. Profit is fine, but if you pillage the soul from the hobby, you will kill the golden goose, which is what I believe was the root of the 90's crash. The soul of the hobby is storytelling that people connect with and enjoy. The hobby sold it's soul and paid big time. Please see my above post. -slym

Especially if it's a brawl with the Incredible Hulk. People tend to forget *why* first appearances are valuable historically in the hobby and instead search for some character peeking up from behind a couch or something. Except Wolverine isn't "peeking from behind a couch." He stands in full-pose, claws out, says his name, and is talking to the protagonist & antagonist of the issue he is in. Besides, I am nothing but emotionally invested here. I don't have a stack of either book to sell. My point, as I have said repeatedly, is that IH #180 is Wolverine's first appearance, not #181. That. Is. All. -slym

Do I really need to go into this again? Did you ever read comics as a kid? As in READ them just to READ them and experience the stories, follow your favorite characters, etc.? Well I did, and before sportscard dealers brought this whole "rookie card" mentality to comics in the late-80's, people actually READ these things, so ask yourself this: If you are looking to READ and collect a back issue (remember, there were no TPBs) about your fave character's past exploits, would you choose: a) a comic with the first single panel of your fave character and no cover appearance. or b) a comic with the first entire story about your fave character and an action cover image. That's why "first FULL appearances/covers" were more popular and worth more historically pre-CGC, and will continue to be, as in the CGC entombed comic world, covers mean more than ever. You are arguing a point that I am not making. -slym

She's tiny... and adorable! -slym

Pass the dutchie to the left-hand side. -slym

This... this is the Thursday-'Friday' thread! -slym

I read the first few words and that was it. This guy has his head so far up his he can see his tonsils. Used car salesman is what that wall of text looked like to me. Used vacuum-cleaner salesman is what I heard. Just a large amount of sucking. -slym

This is so baby IMO. You buy the books therefore you can do whatever you want with them. Burn them, sell them, use them for starting your fireplaces or bbq pit in the summer etc. What is with these online and some brick and mortar shops worried and getting into the personal life of customers? Especially on a pre-order! That makes NO sense! -slym

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Have you gone all the way through the checkout? I had IN sales tax up at first, but after I put my mailing info in, the tax disappeared. -slym

It's only $30 if you buy one. JTC charges $20 for each comic and has $8.50 flat-rate shipping, so if this guy bought 50, he'd be paying, what, a quarter for shipping on each of them, averaged out? -slym

+1 +2 No PM necessary - he didn't say anything, just used a lot of words to do so. -slym

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1) I am not discounting anything. I am sorry anyone feels that way. 2) A cameo can be, and in many cases is, a first appearance. On that, I'm out. I don't want to make this thread anymore of a "stinking pile" than it already is. -slym

Wolverine's first (full) appearance, first story appearance, first cover appearance > cameofirst ever appearance in one panel on last page. -J. I have never said differently. -slym

My only "battle" is against those that claim IH 181 is Wolverine's first appearance. -slym

No apologies necessary. -slym

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Once again, FTR - I have never argued which book is more popular. I have never said one should cost more than the other. The market has already decided, and I am fine with that. Some people, though (not many on this board, natch), think that Incredible Hulk #181 is Wolverine's first appearance. This is what my "deal" is. I want people to know that #181 is not the first appearance. #180 is. That is all. -slym

Again, how does this impact the sales threads? I think it sucks the the LPTC thread was taken away as well, but why is it being discussed here? It makes no sense. :shrug: -slym

How is this discussion about the forums' sales area? -slym

Happy to have you! Now, are you ready to kill some vampires? -slym