Spiderturtle

On 11/17/2019 at 12:16 PM, Frederic9494 said:

I wonder if some of us collectors should write up a summary document requesting inclusion in the Overstreet (at least for #1071 & 1072).

There's already a good amount of GPA data. We should be able to break down grades/pricing for initial inclusion in the Guide.

Maybe a dealer can include it in his repuort.  Unlikely though.  Comiclink can list their spirou 1071 cgc 9.6 sale

i use to read the market reports religiously but ever since I discovered the boards I stopped.  It’s basically 1 year behind 

we’re at 14,000 views

3 hours ago, lou_fine said:

 

Would it not have been a better business marketing model for them to have different color labels so that buyers could much more easily recognize the true high grade copies of books relative to their publishing time period,

 modern red

1 hour ago, Mmehdy said:

It should be interesting to see if any of my top 5 hits my value mark

1-Destruction of the Earth 8pg classic Sc-fi story by Feldstein. Current bid is 13K with BP...my value is 50K 

2-Captain Future complete pulp collection 1-17 with 7 Migh High type copies ..currently 1k and a steal...the #1 and the 7 MH type copies I value at 2k add in the rest and you have 3400 is my value

3-Cap1-6.0 current bid 93K...look for it to hit at least 125K and my value is 150K plus and 250K in less than 5years.

4 Whiz 1...the secret is out on this book...its at 111K and it should hit 125K...my value 150K plus

5- Mad cover 59 in mint condition...its at 25K.....I have to say...it should hit at least 37K. but my value is 50K

Cap 1 cgc 7.5 Conserved (staples cleaned) would seem like a good deal, good value

https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/captain-america-comics-1-timely-1941-cgc-conserved-vf-75-off-white-pages/a/7212-91073.s

11 hours ago, lou_fine said:

So, from your line of thinking here, did CGC make a big mistake by going with the same uni-blue color label for all unrestored books across the entire condition spectrum, whether they were entry level low grade copies or whether they were uber HG copies?    

Would it not have been a better business marketing model for them to have different color labels so that buyers could much more easily recognize the true high grade copies of books relative to their publishing time period, as opposed to having the masses read the various label grades and from there then try to independenty determine if the book had true collectible value or not?  Especially when the uni-color unrestored label could have resulted in you mistakenly over paying for a book by thinking on your own (perish the thought ) that it was in uber HG condition, when in fact it is actually below the collectively acceptable HG threshold level for that particular time period.  A multi-color label system for unrestored books based upon condition threshold levels would certainly help to prevent collectors from making this same mistake.     

Nope blue unrestored was perfect.  If you need to know the condition the number is nice and clear on the upper corner of the slab.

0.5 to 10.0.  A new collector can distinguish a 0.5 unrestored blue vs a 9.2 unrestored blue.  The number on the label is a giveaway.  Thus no need

I thought this topic was more on the unrestored,restored, qualified and the color of the label that corresponds to it.  not time period/rarity 

1 hour ago, miraclemet said:

Here's the Dutch version of 1071 & 1072

I take issue with the label specifications citing this as the "Belgian" edition. 

Both the French and Dutch versions were produced by Edition Duppos, a BELGIAN publisher. They published French language versions (Spirou) for the south and Dutch language versions (Robbedoes) for the north. 

Published at the same time, one doesn't preceed the other, nor is one the primary. And to call the Dutch language one the "Belgian Edition" one is ignoring the fact that Spirou is ALSO the Belgian edition, just for the French speaking ones....

4the copy of the Dutch version of 1071 and 2nd copy of the 1072 on census.

White pages...mmmmm 

Closed 

2 hours ago, VintageComics said:

They likely would, but I don't understand why that would be a problem.

This whole discussion started because people were complaining in this thread that removing restoration from books destroys them and all I am saying is that I believe that if there weren't different colored labels, you probably wouldn't have the same price gaps between restored and unrestored books opening the doors to the resto removal market.

Personally, I don't care either way. It doesn't affect me what restored books sell for in any way.

I'm just having the discussion for the benefit of people who wish that restored books didn't have resto scraped off of them.

If we can go back in time and polled 10,000 collectors and asked if they wanted  their slabs in different color labels the majority would opt for the different colors.   Anyone that spends their hard earned money will spend accordingly and do his or her research .  The label  color doesn’t make a difference to me, it’s the Restored vs unrestored.  I find cbcs blue to be deceptive.  I’ve seen many instances were eBay sellers trick the buyers into thinking it’s an unrestored blue on a cbcs Restored book. Either by being vague by saying you get what you see.  That means if you don’t read what’s on the label then it’s your fault.  Which is 100 percent true but very deceptive. I hope Cgc will keep its 3 color designation as is.

20 minutes ago, VintageComics said:

Actually, it depends on what the goals of the marketing is.

CGC did a disservice to the hobby as a whole in the long run by using a purple label from the gate. It seemed like a good idea but it had the negative effect of stigmatizing restored books in purple holders and creating such a large gap in the market that unrestoring books has become a secondary industry (something people disapprove of).

And there are many people who feel this way. Borock did 15 years ago but CGC wouldn't make the change. It's why they went with it at CBCS. Other long time collectors feel the same way.

I have no doubt that if CGC had started with a blue label for both restored and unrestored books, that nobody would feel they need to be separated but we are looking back after 20 years of having it this way and it's hard to separate ourselves from 20 years of habits.

 

The market for restored (purple) vs unrestored (blue) is fluid; its always changing.  the hobby is always evolving or changing.  For me its restored vs unrestored.  Its not unrestored blue vs purple or Blue vs restored blue.  If CBCS wants to confuse me by putting  both types of book in a blue label then more power to them.  I agree to disagree that its no good for me (and i'm sure lots of other collectors).  Yes, if i'm gonna spend money, I will stop myself and read that label so that I don't waste money by being tricked

20 minutes ago, VintageComics said:

This is only because CGC initially started with multi-colored labels. If they had started with a blue label for restored and unrestored books, you'd have been programmed to read the label first.

When you go to buy Bick's Dill Pickles, do you just walk up and pick a bottle by the color of the label? They all look the same. Of course not. You choose the brand by the color of the label but you READ the label and choose the specific type you want. Why? Because you expect the writing to be different on the labels even though all the labels are the same color.

Baby Dill with Garlic for me, please.

A good model for any business marketing is to have a different color labeling.  M & M's yellow = nut inside M & M's black - plain inside.  It's best when the masses do not have to read the label.  I don't want to eat the wrong M & M's because I didn't read the unicolor M & Ms therefore I love myself the yellow colored  M & M over the black colored M & M.  That's why there's a marketing department.  CBCS marketing gets an F++++++ for having a blue label for restored books

6 minutes ago, VintageComics said:

This is only because CGC initially started with multi-colored labels. If they had started with a blue label for restored and unrestored books, you'd have been programmed to read the label first.

When you go to buy Bick's Dill Pickles, do you just walk up and pick a bottle by the color of the label? They all look the same. Of course not. You choose the brand by the color of the label but you READ the label and choose the specific type you want. Why? Because you expect the writing to be different on the labels even though all the labels are the same color.

Baby Dill with Garlic for me, please.

I get that but I've been programmed, I can't erase my programing.  i'm proud to own a "blue label" of blah blah grail instead of a purple.  The brain is no longer willing to change when it wants what it wants-A blue label over a Purple label.  That's one reason I don't want a CBCS label

9 hours ago, VintageComics said:

I did the same thing, buying a restored CBCS book without realizing it.

There are two reasons for this.

1) we were already programmed to associate blue with unrestored, so introducing a blue label for restored books caused some confusion.

2) the restored notation wasn't very clearly notated - the print / font was small and the label wasn't well designed. They've since cleaned that up.

 

It should be

1. Blue

2. Green

3. Purple

End of discussion

4. Conserved (the blue shade is a bit confusing after 1st glance)

CBCS blue label is horrible.  hard to argue for it.  I myself get tricked all the time, then I read the label closer.   I don't like CGC conserved blue label.  they should make a different color if they want to designate as being conserved.

9 minutes ago, Frederic9494 said:

 

It's better to wait for those to get more recognition/visibility (curious to see if the next Overstreet will highlight the big Spirou sales that happened in the last year)

It would make a huge difference if overstreet recognizes the sale.  It’s not even in the overstreet which means “it doesn’t exist”

On 10/24/2019 at 6:43 PM, Frederic9494 said:

I have 7 Spirou 1071 & 6 Spirou 1072 submitted at CGC (this will help adding some critical mass to the census:)

I expect a range : lower grade around 6.0 range and highest hopefully in the 9.0 range. But most in the 7.5-8.5 range. Will see! 

The copy I just listed on eBay would have been sent to JoeyPost as well, but he wrote me that the other Spirou had already been submitted to CGC... hence the sale

Be interesting to see what your overall grade ranges are.  The raw ones you have look good too.  Most of the raw copies on eBay look to be 4.0 and below 

20 hours ago, Gotham Kid said:

what if subby1938 or sc22 or whatever the last name he was going by comes back ? I won't be able to take the torment.

You know you miss him 

On 11/7/2019 at 3:04 PM, NoMan said:

I recently bought a book from a seller on these boards and one condition of purchase is that I come to this thread and tell everyone I'm pulling your leg on variants overtaking AF15's in value and what not.

So, to the boards, I'm pulling your leg. Who in their right mind would think some dumb variants are going to overtake AF15 or that AF15 would ever not be a "wall book?"

I mean, seriously.

You’ve been doing this for awhile now, especially af15

Tales of Suspense 39 CGC 0.5 Signature Series Nice Eye Appeal

Cgc label says: Entire book torn in half vertically. Cover and pages reattached with tape

$2249 shipped 

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3 hours ago, Frederic9494 said:

I have 7 Spirou 1071 & 6 Spirou 1072 submitted at CGC (this will help adding some critical mass to the census:)

I expect a range : lower grade around 6.0 range and highest hopefully in the 9.0 range. But most in the 7.5-8.5 range. Will see! 

The copy I just listed on eBay would have been sent to JoeyPost as well, but he wrote me that the other Spirou had already been submitted to CGC... hence the sale

Good luck!

On 10/22/2019 at 3:18 PM, Frederic9494 said:

My Spirou babies are in the hands of CGC now. Will hold my breath for the next few weeks... 

What grades are you expecting 

15 hours ago, Callaway29 said:

sheesh, how many are y'all hoarding?! This thread is single handedly cornering the market....

Frederic has good taste.  Doubt he has as many copies as me though 

Ff5 Cgc 1.8 sold via pm

$1949 shipped

On 10/6/2019 at 6:35 PM, Spiderturtle said:

fantastic four 5 cgc 1.8 white pages

 

Label reads: small amount of dried glue on cover. Tape on interior cover and interior

 

 

 

$1949 shipped

On 10/6/2019 at 6:35 PM, Spiderturtle said:

fantastic four 5 cgc 1.8 white pages

 

Label reads: small amount of dried glue on cover. Tape on interior cover and interior

 

$2095 shipped 

 

Now $2049

1 hour ago, Spiderturtle said:

Amazing spider man 14 cgc 6.5 c-ow

$2095 shipped

 

 

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Amazing spider man 14 cgc 6.5 c-ow

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