On 6/3/2022 at 5:44 PM, PuraVida said:

So... Were these modern cards? You inspected the cards fairly well before submitting? If so, then yeah, I wouldn't be happy either. IMO this may really hurt CSG. I grade cards to boost value. A 9 for most ultra modern cards tends to sell at the raw price, so not a good result. A 9.5 Gem Mint (green label) was what we all wanted. I sent in about 150 cards to CSG and got probably 60+ Gem 9.5 (Green label) or better (including a few Pristines) because I screened them very carefully. With the new label, Gem Mint should be Gem Mint and not harder to achieve than the 9.5 green Gem. I'm about to send another order. If I only get about 8-15% Gem Mint 10 when my previous Gem rate was 40% or so, then I will never submit with CSG again because I'm not gaining value. People will look at 9.5 Mint + and say oh, that's not even a Gem. I'll buy a BGS 9.5 Gem, PSA 10 Gem, etc. instead...

These were mainly modern cards.  I am not complaining, I was just saying that I was surprised I didn't get more 10s.  I think it is a combo of two things: I was just trying to find cards to make a bulk submission and put some lesser things in this time.  I definitely put more in that I knew would not be gem mint (some 80s and 90s wrestling).  But of my 95.s and 10s, I was hoping for more to be 10s.  It could be that under the old green label that my 9.5s were really closer to the bottom edge of 9.5s and thus would have stayed 9.5s under the new system instead of 10s.  I may try to sneak one more bulk sub under the $12 cost and then maybe I can see if it changes.

On 5/25/2022 at 11:02 AM, northkorea said:

If your previous rate was 60-70% 9.5, what was your rate on 9s? Assuming the green 9-10 rate was ~90%, your black 9.5-10 rate might be closer to 90% than you think.

My black 9.5-10 rate on my latest sub was about 55% out of 52 cards.  However, I only got 4 10s and a ton of 9.5s.  Wasn't too happy.  But maybe I've gotten complacent and didn't check things over as well before sending this time.  Not sure if I'll be sending much after the price change however.  

For myself, I have been averaging 60-70% gem rates on my last few subs under the old system.  I would figure that the 60-70% will now be the combo of 10s and 9.5s, where hopefully more of those will be 10s than 9.5s, lol.  

Well, they sort of have a deadline for the $5 switchover (June 10, I believe).  After June 10, I think it will be $10 to have it reholdered?  But as northkorea said, they haven't said how long they will switch the old 9.5s over.

On 3/25/2022 at 3:22 PM, jsrva said:

I'd honestly leave it in the green slab. Great eye appeal. I am not sending any of my green Soto 9.5s in for reholder.

If it's for a PC, I agree.  But If you are selling on Ebay, people will start to search for CSG 10 and may miss the old 9.5s.  I always put "CSG 9.5 GEM MINT" in my titles, but I don't know if people search that way or not.  I am going to re-holder my bigger cards that are now 9.5s such as Brady, Morant, etc...but I will probably leave the lesser ones that got 9.5s as they are.

On 3/25/2022 at 12:28 PM, CGCRyan said:

@PunsRTonsOfFun

A green label Gem Mint 9.5 will cross to a new black label Gem Mint 10.  Pristine 10s will also become Gem Mint 10s in the new label.

But will that happen AUTOMATICALLY for all cards or are they going to be re-evaluated and some may become 9s or the "new 9.5"?

Well, if all 9.5s will cross to 10's, I'll definitely send some in.  However, I don't know why anyone would send in Pristine 10s to get reholdered as GEM MINT 10s?

I assume the slab itself is still clear?  Hard to tell with it on a black background in the Brady pic.  I think the Gem Mint 10 designation will help sales for collectors.

Who decided to change the original title of this post?  LOL. nothing rotten here.  I've been happy with CSG and the grades I've gotten.  Great alternative while PSA is expensive right now.

I sent out a 50 card bulk in mid-December and it has already been shipped.  I sent it in mid-December, so it wasn't sitting long before being marked as scheduled for grading.  They were pretty up to date at that point on opening packages.  Is this becoming the new norm, or just a lucky break for me.  We'll see - I just sent in another bulk order rec'd on 2/11, so we'll see how long that takes.

While PSA is still at $100 per card, I have been using CSG and have been pleased.  Their holder is my favorite out there, clear and tough.  I just got my second bulk order shipped back yesterday after only 2 months.  I can definitely deal with that.  Of 50 cards, I got 4 10s, 22 9.5, and then mostly 9s after that.   My first bulk was about a 65% gem rate, this one was 52%.  But I think that was more on me as I sent some in that I was fine with 9s if that happened.  As previous posters have said, you really have to scrutinize your cards before sending them in.  There are tons more I'd love to send, but I screen out a lot beforehand and it definitely improves the gem rate.  I could obviously make more money if they were PSA 10 instead of CSG 9.5, but there is just no way I can pay $100 per for the cards I am sending in, so for now I am good with CSG.

On 10/19/2021 at 4:53 PM, AM Cards said:

I've got a bulk order that was rec'd April 13 that just went into Quality Control Finalized.  I am not sure how long it stays in that phase, but I doubt too long.  So, about a total of 6 1/2 months by the time I get back probably.  This was at the $8 price.  Unfortunately, I just don't think the selling prices will dictate me sending in more though.  We'll have to see.  Modern lower-end stuff just to test them out.  Don't mind the timeline, just not sure of resale value yet.  However, SGC and HGA just don't work for me at their higher price points, where the sales price will not be much more.

UPDATE - showed up marked as SHIPPED this morning,  Grades actually came out pretty well.  I went with no subs, and got 3 10s, 30 9.5s, and the rest 9s..  I had forgotten what I put in there, so it was weird for me to say "I sent that in?".  Happy with the grades and although resale values will obviously be less than PSA, there is still money to be made.  Maybe changing my tune about sending in another batch - think I'll see what I can out together, especially at the low price level.

I've got a bulk order that was rec'd April 13 that just went into Quality Control Finalized.  I am not sure how long it stays in that phase, but I doubt too long.  So, about a total of 6 1/2 months by the time I get back probably.  This was at the $8 price.  Unfortunately, I just don't think the selling prices will dictate me sending in more though.  We'll have to see.  Modern lower-end stuff just to test them out.  Don't mind the timeline, just not sure of resale value yet.  However, SGC and HGA just don't work for me at their higher price points, where the sales price will not be much more.

how long does it usually take once its scheduled for grading to when it actually goes into grading?  Bulk order.

On 6/1/2021 at 9:04 PM, ItismeH said:

Honestly, not sure if we'll ever see PSA prices hit $20/card or below🙄

It will be really interesting what happens with the bulk service when PSA comes back.  I think it will be the last thing they put back out there, but I do think they'll still have something, since they want money from people joining the collectors club.  But if it's more than $25 or so, not sure what I'd do. 

rhsiv - I'm in the same boat.  They rec'd on 4/11, but nothing has been entered into the system yet.  I thought I'd give them one chance with a submission and see how it turned out.  I know it will take awhile now, which is understandable with the changing grading landscape.  But I doubt I will send another sub, at least until I see what PSA comes out with for bulk submissions when they are back on line this summer.  If the lowest PSA price is $40 or $50 per, it's possible I'd give CSG another shot.  But if PSA still has the $20 level again, I'd still probably use PSA.

To the op, I kept seeing that the USPS tracking said "Held at Customer's request" and thought that meant they never picked it up.  I sent it in early April.  It still says that, but finally the other day I typed in the tracking number on this site and saw that they did have it (just hasn't been opened yet).  Good to see the comment from the person above who said the PO Box is in their facility.  That makes more sense now.

I just wish they would pick up their mail at the post office.  I sent in a bulk order that arrived there in early April, and if you go into USPS tracking, it says as of April 11th - Held at Post Office, per customer request.  That's over three weeks ago!  At least it would be good if they picked up their mail so I would at least know it was delivered and in their hands.  Even if they don't check it in yet, at least it would be there.  I am going to have to check on it to see if there is so other reason it may not have been delivered yet.