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Mr. 10%
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well you can add me to the "club" as a temporary member...i have this 35 for now,but it will be moved on to the new owner once i get a couple other pre-robin tecs,and 69,73 pulled together.
But i get to enjoy the moment!
What about
You can add this 35 to the list of books that won't be seen again for sale,most likely for about 30 years.So that's 1 less,even tho its a Plod.
? This beatyful Tec 35 with extensive work reaches an apparent grade of 3.5.
But I have seen extensively restored GA books reach an apparent grade of 8.0 and as high as 8.5 !
But does this indicate that between two extensive plods such as those mentioned there can be 8-10 grade ticks (3.5 to 8.5) between the books *before* they were worked on?
This is what puzzles me: If you choose to go extensive on a book why stop at a 3.5ish apparent grade when you (perhaps?!?) can have an apparent grade of 8.5 or 9.0? Or is it only *some* Ext. restored books that can go that high, while others can 'only' make it to 3.0-4.0 with ext restoe?
And how big should the price difference be between an Ext 3.0 and an extensive 8.0 for instance ? Is there any price difference? Or is it just Extensive = one price for all copies no matter if their apparent are 3.0 or 8.0??
Sorry if I have derailed - I just keep on trying to understand this foggy restoe-theme in comics whenever I bump into something hard to understand. And restoe on the Classic Tecs will always be discussed I think.
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I think that it is about time that we began a club devoted to one of the most beloved runs in the history of the Golden Age; the famous "Pre-Robin Tec" run.
Detective Comics #27-37...
*Your copy: how did you get it?
*Where did you get it from?
*Why did you get it?
*What kind of condition is it in?
*Stories behind the book.
*Interested in picking up a copy?
*Interested in picking up another copy?
Pretty much anything that you can think of related to the Pre-Robin Tec run is fair game. (thumbs u
If my new display name hasn't already given it away, allow me to be the first to share...
Detective Comics #33: CGC .5 (Back cover missing; WHITE Pages)
This was a book that I had wanted for many years. I learned long ago that Detective Comics #27 would be way out of my price-range and at this point, the same could be said of any copy of Batman #1 that isn't coverless.
I was very fortunate that a fellow board-member, "Bat-Man", was willing to sell me his copy. It was a book that I had wanted ever since he first shared it with me and I feel very fortunate to now be able to call it my own.
Obviously the book has been through a lot. It has some serious mouse-chew and the back-cover is missing. What I found amazing is that despite the obvious defects, what remains of the book is still in fantastic condition. White pages and the classic image of Batman on the front-cover is still 100% in-tact.
If it were not for the defects, this book would have never been anywhere near my price-range and I'd have to settle for a higher graded copy of a much less significant issue. Detective Comics #33 has always been one of my personal favorites because I simply love the cover and feel that the story of Batman's origin is the most important Golden Age story ever told.
And thus...I'm proud to call myself "Detective33Kid".
Have you checked with CGC that they actually got rid of the mice before sealing the slab ... cause if the mice are still in there in the holder then they probably wont stop chewing the book?
Congrats! Great book - on of a kind copy of a great milestone ...
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For discussion sake let's say I had a comic for sale and it was a no-doubt 9.2. Beautiful in every way. Nice gloss, sharp corners, just the slightest bit of handling wear, but an all around definite 9.2 structurally. But somewhere along the way this book was stored next to a large steaming pile of feces and the smell was absorbed into the paper. This beautiful book acquired such a stench that even lifting a flap on the bag caused serious watering of the eyes.
Does this book get down-graded for the odor?
Buy a pro-clean at Classics Inc ...
or pick two beaters from the collection with which you seal your nostrils ...
Next question
But does it get downgraded?
If you parfumed it with rose-spray odour
Then it wouldnt get a bump ...
So its the same the other way around (with Pooh Pooh) (thumbs u
Smells aint a part of the cgc equation Im afraid (thumbs u
LOOKS are
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For discussion sake let's say I had a comic for sale and it was a no-doubt 9.2. Beautiful in every way. Nice gloss, sharp corners, just the slightest bit of handling wear, but an all around definite 9.2 structurally. But somewhere along the way this book was stored next to a large steaming pile of feces and the smell was absorbed into the paper. This beautiful book acquired such a stench that even lifting a flap on the bag caused serious watering of the eyes.
Does this book get down-graded for the odor?
Buy a pro-clean at Classics Inc ...
or pick two beaters from the collection with which you seal your nostrils ...
Next question
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my recently liberated copy
Sweet book
Welcome to the club
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I dont think X1 will surpass She Hulk #43
.... ever ! 
Seriously ...
the importance of these early X-books lies not in what originally happened back in the day or in what got cancelled and what not. What happens for the time being is that this X-team is bathing in worldwide exposure. I dont know why - but the movies are apparently being enjoyed by an ordians way broader than what could initially have been expected. These current events will obviously reflect back on how these old 1960ies X-books will be valued and eventually drooled over by many (especially the 11 first Kirby books - nos 1-11
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I definitely should have snagged me an 8.0 white-pager copy back in the the day (a few years ago) at C-link when they went for 5K a piece
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But you cant really determine that ...
Even calling for notes cannot remove guessworking youre way forward on some of the essential parameters. The designation 'Pieces added' for instance: Yes but where?, how large a chunk?, etc.
Tear seals: how many?, how many inches?
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Hey! Here a PLOD question for the Tec zombie and restoe-nerd segment of the boardies:
Heritage has a Tec27 7.0 Mod (A) up for the comming auction. The last 7.0 sales have gone within the 50 K ballpark approx.. But these have all been (P) books as far as I can see.
My questions:
(i) How much will the (A) work hammer this current book compared to the formerly auctioned (P) copies of equal grade?
(ii) If it goes for around 50 K, - will that be a strong price? (considered the recent CC and Metro top sales)?
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it was sold via heritage last year, and to me earlier this yearI bought that copy from bluechip...it was a cgc 1.0 missing half the back cover...bluechip also had a back cover so I had matt nelson marry the 2...cost me about 45k... I sold it when I upgraded to and unrestored copy...But quite honestly, 45k is a great price...I believe metro owns it so unlikely they would (or imo should) sell it for less than 45k... (Thumbs u
Yeah, I was surprised you let it go so soon, but then you've "rented" quite a few nice books.
Compare that book to some others that've sold for 45K and I agree it makes more sense to hold it than undersell it.
Interesting this comes up at the same time as the Batman 1 since these were the best two instances I ever had of finding a match for a missing piece (although the back cover to this was actually nicer than the rest of the book, so it wasn't as unusual a match as the Bat 1).
As you know, Rick, when you see scans of the original book and the donor back cover it seems less a big deal than it sounds, especially considering how common split spine books are in GA because of the way kids would fold them back to read them).
Since the same poster asked about both books it might be educational to mention there was an actual "piece added" to the Tec 27 but as I recall it was a newsstand clip chip (common for that era) at the edge of the logo -- which meant the only replacement needed was in a solid color area. Not as minimal as filling in blank paper but still a world of difference between that and recreating text and/or artwork. (and I've seen more than a few GA books with a similar logo chip missing that were not greatly affected in grade)
Well the C-Link Tec 27 PLOD 7.0 (Ext) looked unreal (more like a 9.0). It sold for just 10K more than the 4.5 listed now at CC. Perhaps that was the deal one should have had ...
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actually, I sold that book to a fellow boardie (thumbs u
it does present so much nicer than the grade, but has an "unfixable" bend in the book, hence the grade...but does look SUWHEAT and went "cheaper" because it was to a fellow boardie
we actually got a 60K+ offer on it, after it had already been committed
When did you get it? The book I am speaking of was sold to a dealer in the early '00's.
'course the one I had didn't have anything I would've called an unfixable bend. And I suppose what look like stains at the top could be on the slab. I remember the red was off register a bit, but perhaps not the same as this one. Damn, it was easy with the bat 1 because of that unusual bottom spine register. Gotta dig up the pic of the one I am thinking of to see if it's the same. Thinking now it may not be and might just be damn close
I am gonna try to dig up those scans to see if it's the same one
Man - these books circulates around. I wonder if we will see more Tec 27s surface in the near future? Currently the only copies I saw available are the two listings at Comic Connect, Or have I overlooked any?
Ang.Sil
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I bought that copy from bluechip...it was a cgc 1.0 missing half the back cover...bluechip also had a back cover so I had matt nelson marry the 2...cost me about 45k... I sold it when I upgraded to and unrestored copy...
But quite honestly, 45k is a great price...I believe metro owns it so unlikely they would (or imo should) sell it for less than 45k... (Thumbs u
Yeah, I was surprised you let it go so soon, but then you've "rented" quite a few nice books.
Compare that book to some others that've sold for 45K and I agree it makes more sense to hold it than undersell it.
Interesting this comes up at the same time as the Batman 1 since these were the best two instances I ever had of finding a match for a missing piece (although the back cover to this was actually nicer than the rest of the book, so it wasn't as unusual a match as the Bat 1).
As you know, Rick, when you see scans of the original book and the donor back cover it seems less a big deal than it sounds, especially considering how common split spine books are in GA because of the way kids would fold them back to read them).
Since the same poster asked about both books it might be educational to mention there was an actual "piece added" to the Tec 27 but as I recall it was a newsstand clip chip (common for that era) at the edge of the logo -- which meant the only replacement needed was in a solid color area. Not as minimal as filling in blank paper but still a world of difference between that and recreating text and/or artwork. (and I've seen more than a few GA books with a similar logo chip missing that were not greatly affected in grade)
Well the C-Link Tec 27 PLOD 7.0 (Ext) looked unreal (more like a 9.0). It sold for just 10K more than the 4.5 listed now at CC. Perhaps that was the deal one should have had ...
Link:
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I bought that copy from bluechip...it was a cgc 1.0 missing half the back cover...bluechip also had a back cover so I had matt nelson marry the 2...cost me about 45k... I sold it when I upgraded to and unrestored copy...
But quite honestly, 45k is a great price...I believe metro owns it so unlikely they would (or imo should) sell it for less than 45k... (Thumbs u
Yeah, I was surprised you let it go so soon, but then you've "rented" quite a few nice books.
Compare that book to some others that've sold for 45K and I agree it makes more sense to hold it than undersell it.
Interesting this comes up at the same time as the Batman 1 since these were the best two instances I ever had of finding a match for a missing piece (although the back cover to this was actually nicer than the rest of the book, so it wasn't as unusual a match as the Bat 1).
As you know, Rick, when you see scans of the original book and the donor back cover it seems less a big deal than it sounds, especially considering how common split spine books are in GA because of the way kids would fold them back to read them).
Since the same poster asked about both books it might be educational to mention there was an actual "piece added" to the Tec 27 but as I recall it was a newsstand clip chip (common for that era) at the edge of the logo -- which meant the only replacement needed was in a solid color area. Not as minimal as filling in blank paper but still a world of difference between that and recreating text and/or artwork. (and I've seen more than a few GA books with a similar logo chip missing that were not greatly affected in grade)
Well the C-Link Tec 27 PLOD 7.0 (Ext) looked unreal (more like a 9.0). It sold for just 10K more than the 4.5 listed now at CC. Perhaps that was the deal one should have had ...
Link:
The long arm of coincidence is stretching to the limit today as this tec 27 looks an awful lot like one I had long ago. The faint signs of a stain at the top and the little printing circle in the batwing indicate it could be. If it's the same I know I've got pics of it in its original and restored state, and I would agree it's gone for a bargain (although much more than I sold it for). The book in question was graded a good to very good at the time, as was another copy offered me which looked about the same except it had a chunk out at the edge. The one I got (this one, I think) had some splits at the bottom where someone had glued it with model glue. I was advised by virtually every dealer I spoke to that I should restore the book by having Susan Cicconi remove the glue and reseal it, which she did. But when I went to sell it a few years later I was told the repairs had devalued the book. The book with the chunk missing sold for about 65K and this one went begging for much less because of the repair to the lower spine (even though the repaired portion was smaller than the portion of the other book which had been torn away!)
So cut to years later and this book goes for 55K (more than I paid, and more than I sold it for, but still less than a mostly similar book with a larger portion that was altered (by way of being removed).
Well if the scans are there, it would be awfully interesting to see them (before / after pics). Just for fun, since the book is obviously not available currently.
Ang.Sil
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I bought that copy from bluechip...it was a cgc 1.0 missing half the back cover...bluechip also had a back cover so I had matt nelson marry the 2...cost me about 45k... I sold it when I upgraded to and unrestored copy...
But quite honestly, 45k is a great price...I believe metro owns it so unlikely they would (or imo should) sell it for less than 45k... (Thumbs u
Yeah, I was surprised you let it go so soon, but then you've "rented" quite a few nice books.
Compare that book to some others that've sold for 45K and I agree it makes more sense to hold it than undersell it.
Interesting this comes up at the same time as the Batman 1 since these were the best two instances I ever had of finding a match for a missing piece (although the back cover to this was actually nicer than the rest of the book, so it wasn't as unusual a match as the Bat 1).
As you know, Rick, when you see scans of the original book and the donor back cover it seems less a big deal than it sounds, especially considering how common split spine books are in GA because of the way kids would fold them back to read them).
Since the same poster asked about both books it might be educational to mention there was an actual "piece added" to the Tec 27 but as I recall it was a newsstand clip chip (common for that era) at the edge of the logo -- which meant the only replacement needed was in a solid color area. Not as minimal as filling in blank paper but still a world of difference between that and recreating text and/or artwork. (and I've seen more than a few GA books with a similar logo chip missing that were not greatly affected in grade)
Well the C-Link Tec 27 PLOD 7.0 (Ext) looked unreal (more like a 9.0). It sold for just 10K more than the 4.5 listed now at CC. Perhaps that was the deal one should have had ...
Link:
Tell us a little about yourself Ang. For a newb on the boards, you seem to be plugged in to the big book market.
Ciorac!
Thanks for asking. I wouldnt say I am 'plugged in to the big book' market. I have had big chunks of time (5-8 years) where I have left the comics collecting scene. This was during some tuff rallies of carrier climbin'. But everytime I fall out it seems that I am eventually somehow sucked back in. Anyway: I am in a position today where it is not completely impossible for me at some point - if I choose to - to pursue perhaps even the GA keys (some of them). But who knows perhaps it will never happen. But I am not an investor primarily at all. It is primarily childhood stuff that drives me on these (Tec, Batman, Action, etc.) books. I mean why they are interesting for me. And GA is a new arena for me, since I have hitherto been in Silver and bronze and moderns so far. As I said in my thread 'intro: newbie' (in General) I am new as a poster on the boards, - but I have visited here often for years enjoying many of the threads rolled out from time to time.
I hope this sheds a little light on the sense in which I am 'plugged in' as you say.
Best
Ang.Sil
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I bought that copy from bluechip...it was a cgc 1.0 missing half the back cover...bluechip also had a back cover so I had matt nelson marry the 2...cost me about 45k... I sold it when I upgraded to and unrestored copy...
But quite honestly, 45k is a great price...I believe metro owns it so unlikely they would (or imo should) sell it for less than 45k... (Thumbs u
Yeah, I was surprised you let it go so soon, but then you've "rented" quite a few nice books.
Compare that book to some others that've sold for 45K and I agree it makes more sense to hold it than undersell it.
Interesting this comes up at the same time as the Batman 1 since these were the best two instances I ever had of finding a match for a missing piece (although the back cover to this was actually nicer than the rest of the book, so it wasn't as unusual a match as the Bat 1).
As you know, Rick, when you see scans of the original book and the donor back cover it seems less a big deal than it sounds, especially considering how common split spine books are in GA because of the way kids would fold them back to read them).
Since the same poster asked about both books it might be educational to mention there was an actual "piece added" to the Tec 27 but as I recall it was a newsstand clip chip (common for that era) at the edge of the logo -- which meant the only replacement needed was in a solid color area. Not as minimal as filling in blank paper but still a world of difference between that and recreating text and/or artwork. (and I've seen more than a few GA books with a similar logo chip missing that were not greatly affected in grade)
Well the C-Link Tec 27 PLOD 7.0 (Ext) looked unreal (more like a 9.0). It sold for just 10K more than the 4.5 listed now at CC. Perhaps that was the deal one should have had ...
Link:
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Currently: 34K bid up. Counter offer from seller pending.
Bid option closed until counter offer expires.
We might see it changing hands soon.
Ang.Sil
the seller should take the 34k offer and run.
Maybe the seller could make up the difference by throwing in that 12K copy of New Mutants 87
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Currently: 34K bid up. Counter offer from seller pending.
Bid option closed until counter offer expires.
We might see it changing hands soon.
Ang.Sil
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I could be seeing myself at some point having a big book ... one day. I dont think I have the guts or the budget to pull the trigger on this smoker. But I saw this book and thought about these questions:
1. What is this book worth? No taker for months with a BIN 45K
2. Would the purple label be a problem on a book like this?
3. A blue 4.5 would guide at what: 3 times this price or more. Is a 66% discount FMV for this book or should it rather sell in the 30K range?
4. Why has it not sold? Does this book not usually moves at high pace in the marketplace? Is it the married pages that kills it?
Ang.Sil
Tec #27
CGC VG+: 4.5
crm/ow pgs Ext. (P) color touch, pcs added, tr sls, cleaned, reinforced, back cover married
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Man - the silence lies pretty heavily over this thread. To bad: it is really an interesting subject to bring up. Perhaps kc120us you are half a decade too early on this one. Eventually the tides will turn ...
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.... ever ! 
The Pre-Robin Tec Club
in Golden Age Comic Books
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Thanks Rick for the answer -
It surprises me
(i) that that some moderately restored books can go higher than unrestored?
(ii) That high grade extensive can reach 25%of blue label value.
In that case plod is becomming the 'Purple Label Of Delirium' ...