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link?

So do I.

That is great Lloyd.

All your base are ours, fruitcake.

Is that a "no-foil" variant?

Proof went in the tank right when I got my hands on 8 copies of NB7

Here is one of my MM1 signed by Garry Leach:

+1

I love the Deathmate tour book!

This is just a WAG, but I bet there are 300-400 transactions that go through with no problem at all for every transaction that starts a PL discussion, regardless of whether someone lands on the PL or not.

It qualifies for this thread, as there is only one showing on the census in 9.8. It qualifies for awesome b/c of scoring the Pander Bros.

Who's a "neophyte"? Is he talking about AF? AF had the bad deal with Supapimp and then this. I don't know. Is this English? Perhaps you need a Chianti prism to understand me. I was empathizing with AF that his past screwing caused him to lay off the boards, only to return and find himself being screwed, part deux. Got it. I was afraid I was going to need a lobotomy or a beating with a tack hammer to translate that.

Who's a "neophyte"? Is he talking about AF? AF had the bad deal with Supapimp and then this. I don't know. Is this English?

Those are great!!!

And I was the dumb bunny who said both parties are happy so let sleeping tigers lie.

Here are the express terms of HOS from the stickied thread. I am ambivalent as to Soup1998's qualifications therefor. 5) Probation List versus Hall Of Shame a) The Probation List is for transactions that have not been fulfilled as promised. b) The Hall Of Shame is for serious transgressions. For example, selling a book/books and sending nothing of value in the package. Interfering with someone's business. Being a multiple offender. c) The Hall Of Shame candidate is subject to all of the above rules. d) Inclusion in the Hall Of Shame must be decided by a poll. e) Removal from the Hall Of Shame must be decided by a poll.

Wow. Another new story. I am shocked, I tell you, shocked.

I used this in the context of explaining how the selling of this item required a starting point, and how it was achieved. Again, if this was a marketplace listing with a set price, we wouldn't be having this discussion. WTB and soliciting boardie's from PGM threads are always tricky because it requires striking that balance between the buyer/sellers expectations. I meant to ask earlier - is the registry submission the reason why people think he still has it? I mean being dishonest with a registry entry for a book which may no longer be in a persons possession wouldn't be cool, but certainly wouldn't be the worst to come of all this. I may have missed this, but was there any other proof he still has it? Nope. Radio silence from Soup1998 has been deafening.

Sweet! (And excited cause that means my ECC books cant be far off!) My Econs are still at Graded. That means they still have to go through Encapsulation/QC and Shipping. The only reason I have this one back is that it initially was listed as a v.3 GL 90 instead of a V.2 GL 90. I figure we are still 2-3 weeks from Econs being back.

I don't know whether this is HOS worthy or not. My concern is that, if Soup1998 is going to come off the PL, that he do so under circumstances where the nominator has received all the facts, that all facts received are true, providing that the satisfaction and basis for removal from the PL is on the up and up. As distasteful as I find Soup1998's conduct, I do not believe that he should be subject to any additional or different terms than are typically provided for removal from the PL.

That's where I think we get off track is when there is a focus on the grade versus the situation that this was a deal gone bad. When we start focusing so much on the grade or potential grade that was assumed by both parties, it seems to confuse the situaton. The buyer is owed the book for sure. The seller having regrets that the book graded higher is the motivation he had for giving up his reputation for money. What's in-between keeps going in and out due to all the details or opinions being tossed out. Not quite, because the charge against the owner is that he's acted unethically. Sorry, but the whole "it's a 9.0, take my money and like it" scenario doesn't sit well within the confines of ethical behaviour. We don't know if the owner mummed-up because he got an opinion from someone else that it would grade higher, and later found the tactic to be off-putting. This is all in the confines of the same discussion because HOS is about keeping unethical behaviour in check. Please explain the " 'it's a 9.0, take my money and like it" scenario. Is it a situation where the seller told him it graded 9.0, and just refunded the payment made previously? The owner told him $675 is what he had in the book, and the 9.0 suggestion was already a stretch (quoting GPA) to pay what he had in the book. So he expected to take the book at what the buyer payed and capped the book at a 9.0, but was trying to squeeze out a 9.4? With the help of a second opinion, the buyer wised-up, didn't respond and no payment was sent/received. I get how that's shifty behaviour, but he was a newb and that's how they decided to deal with the situation. I just don't get how this went from a deal going bad on an "absolute" 9.0, to the entitlement of getting a 9.4 as restitution? Are we penalizing people here now because they're wising-up to quickly to give veterans a shot at profiting at their expense? No, there has been an application of the principles of breach of contract, and other logical analyses, as opposed to inventing a n00b vs. vet scenario that exists nowhere other than in your mind. Again, as there is no perfect solution to this situation (predicated upon the raw comic now being a CGC graded 9.4 comic) I would rather have the deleterious effects that relate to that change in circumstance fall upon the party that, as it appears right now, not only reneges on deals, but lies and fabricates fake sales.

Re Option 2. I'm a little fuzzy on being paid for a 9.4, because of the talk about the corner crease and it being a 9.0 originally. I agree that you should have a raw 9.0, unless you knew it would be a 9.4 if pressed and that's what you intended to buy? Otherwise, I'm not sure about the big difference in price. Also not sure that this qualifies for the Hall of Shame at this time, although that is certainly where this guy seems to be headed with his attitude. I was thinking about a solution for transactions with no real solution...have we ever put someone on the list for a year? Perhaps that's an option to consider? Sharon, In my opinion it is less about the grade of the book (which, as is often the case, had its defects over-emphasized by the scanning process) and more about the fact that the actual book may be still in the possession of Soup1998. He backed out of a deal, told everyone to shove it, then came back when he started to see that there were certain people that won't deal with Probation Listers. Then, in order to get off the list it looks like he lied about the sale of the book and concocted a story about what appears to be a non-existent sale to craft a "settlement" based upon untrue information. While I agree that it is unfair for AF to receive a windfall, it is pretty clear that he is entitled to far more than the damages agreed upon in the "settlement." Perhaps Soup1998 has an explanation. I hope he does. But the fact that the book still may be in his possession makes the easiest remedy to provide the book to AF, and have AF cover all of the expenses incurred in pressing and slabbing it (with shipping). I am not saying that is a perfect settlement, as I think you have raised valid concerns. But if the axe must fall to the benefit of one of the parties, I would prefer it be the blameless one.