Bio-Rupp

There's no twisting of anything here ... Green posted an "I'll take it" in the PM to which you replied "Sold!". If the sale was contingent on him posting separate "I'll take it"s in all three threads - which is a silly request - you should have said so. You didn't and mschmidt... I did ask him to post in the threads... You asked if he wouldn't mind posting an "i'll take it" in the threads - nowhere did you make it clear that if he didn't, you would cancel a sale to which you'd already agreed. sigh... Happy Thanksgiving mschmidt

Which got me this response....

Which got me this response....

There's no twisting of anything here ... Green posted an "I'll take it" in the PM to which you replied "Sold!". If the sale was contingent on him posting separate "I'll take it"s in all three threads - which is a silly request - you should have said so. You didn't and mschmidt... I did ask him to post in the threads...

Actually, once you confirmed the sale with Green, it then becomes your responsibility to mark it "sold". You really are just trying to skirt around your acceptance of his offer Period. All the rest of the reasoning is irrelevant. and divad... how can I be skirting around acceptance of his offer when I asked him twice to put up the "Take it" sign. I'm not going to beg him sir. Where in the forum rules does it state that it is "my responsibility to mark it sold" too. Especially after asking him to do it... and then asking if he "was sure" when he refused to do it... for no reason other than he was being difficult. This was a 10 - 15 min time frame. He had time to get it in there. I will tell you why I didn't run over and do it for him... because I was too busy packing all the other wins for people who didn't have a problem putting that sign up.

And this gem from today: As politely as i can say it, i do not wish to do business with you at this point in time. I dont hold grudges. cya around. FANTASTIC! Guys the DC READER thead is NOW OPEN! Green it will be in our best interests for you to stay clear of any of my sales threads, I will not sell to you. Regardless I wish you the best.

I'm not sure it is that cut and dry, though I don't want to add to the tension. I'm reading this, and "trumps any and all PM's" seems to be clear. But I've also witnessed sellers agree to a sale via PM, and then mark the item as "sold via PM." It appears Bio-Rupp was taking the former approach, and not the latter. Again, this seems to be a disagreement over interpretation of the sales rules. I just don't get why he'd write back and say "Sold!" if the books weren't actually sold - that makes zero sense, Nick :shrug: I guess in a "perfect world", it wouldn't have been that big of a deal for Green to just go and put "take its" up as asked and as the rule states. Twisting the words for his benefit aren't going to get him what he lost fair and square. Wether I said "sold" or not is a mute point if it's in a "PM" and "I'll take its" trump PMs. Thats how its written. Rules change depending on who feels cheated it appears. Why would I even bother putting "take it" trumps PM's... if thats not what it meant. Just answer this guys... was my and Green's deal in a PM? Does my # 1 sales thread rule not say that "take it" trumps PM's? Thats the greatness of the boards... whoever wants to play it cheap and goes the PM route stands the chance to lose. The brave sole not afraid to pay the price listed should always win if he gets to the prize first... and with a "take it" , Mr. Kawfeadikt did win the prize.

It doesn't say anything about the "I'll take it" having to be posted in the actual thread - it just says that the first one posted gets the sale. And as Green was the first to post the "I'll take it", the books are clearly his :shrug: How can he lay claim if his "take it" was within the PM that a "take it" trumps... the semantics are sound to me sir. Plus I'm not having a sale thread in my personal message area... its in public few. Don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend.

Nice catch paul , so not only did he sell the books to someone else after confirming to me they were sold it was also after his thread was closed. So by your logic, when our PM deal was taking place at 11:07, these books were totally off the market? So technically then they weren't for sale... even to you? Is this what you are trying to say?

In no way would Green be on the hook with the sale if your scenario would have went down. Since, as stated in my 1st rule of the sales thread, the trumps any & all PM's. Green would have lost and the other party would be accountable to make good. That's why we have the sign... to show who wins what and time stamp it in a public sales thread to prove it. That's a given, sir. What Green doesn't get and what would have saved his deal, is that sign was asked to be placed in both my 1st posted rule... and in the PM in which our deal took place, to validify our deal and keep someone else from posting the and win it out from under him. What if you were the one who posted "take it" on the lot. Then I PM you and tell you I sold them to another party through a PM... and you see that my 1st rule states trumps any & all PM's" and there is no other to be seen in the thread. Would you feel burned because you did exactly what the rules asked you to do and I changed them behind your back and sold them out from under you? Why didn't Green go post the when I asked him too... especially since it's posted rule # 1. That was my rule and for some reason, even when asked to, he chose not to abide by it.

I know, they sold at exactly the discounted price I advertised them for in the sales thread! Which is what makes it even more amazing, to me at least, as to why you refused to put up the signs to claim your prize. I was tired and on pain meds. Notsure what you are assuming The only thing I was assuming Green is that if you wanted these books, you could have posted the signs instead of wasting the time to do it by posting PM's like this... This also sounds extremely optional to me. obviously i did mind. Which I hate to say... is kinda rude sir.

Why? Someone who wasn't even involved in a transaction of mine complained and started a slanderous 35-page thread because of "semantics". I never responded in the thread because of the witch-hunt mentality around here. Besides, I didn't need to - the PM's between the parties were clear. "If you don't mind" is clearly optional, and Green doesn't need to make excuses - he should be bothered by Biorupp's actions. A confirmed "sold" is a confirmed "sold". That's why PM's exist. I kind of thought "if you don't mind" was being polite, sir.

Well said Sharon. The main reason the " trumps any & all PM's" is posted in my sales threads is to prevent things like this from happening. I'm not sure if Green knows that we were talking in a PM or not. I thought my wording was spot on in the "trumps any & all PM's" part. Why Green refused to put the signs up is beyond me. He had a great deal. Why wouldn't he just do this? All I can say is how fair would it be to Kawfeadikt to back out of his deal? He put up the in the thread, as per the rules, and won the lot fair and square. I would hate to disappoint him, especially since he paid up immediatly and seemed very happy with the readers he purchased. I would love to get past this with Green. I've even offered him a full out on everything he purchased (over $100) if he felt so strongly that I have wronged him. Regardless, my terms were clear. 1st rule posted in my thread... " trumps any & all PM's". Green didn't feel the necessity to post these and Kawfeadikt did... so Kawfeadikt got the spoils.

I know, they sold at exactly the discounted price I advertised them for in the sales thread! Which is what makes it even more amazing, to me at least, as to why you refused to put up the signs to claim your prize.

BEFORE VOTING, READ THE NEXT FEW PAGES PLEASE Lets give everyone the whole story Green. Green lowballs me an offer for the remainders of the Marvel 3.69 sale. I counter and we agree on a price. He had the books... all he had to do was post the "take it" in the threads for everything he wanted. Not a big deal since it is clearly posted in my thread rules that "Take it" trumps any and all PM's which Green quoted for me above. After accepting Green's terms and I did accept them I asked him to throw up the "take it" signs which you can also see above right under where I accepted his terms. So Green shoots back with this... ... and I come back with... ... which Green doesn't answer. In the 15 minutes all this is happening, Kawfeadikt steps in with the "take it" on the remainders. Now Green is mad on top of being rude that he lost out. I can't get him to understand that "take it" trumps PMs. He states that since he put the "take it" up in the PM, he did what I asked. ?? How would anyone know you won the stuff by putting up a "take it" in a PM? If you don't put it in the thread, then its still up for grabs, as per my thread rules. And grabbed it was. Since you are mad (for no reason) I have offered you a complete refusal of everything you won with no hard feelings and you won't answer. If you can't understand what "take its trump PM's" means which was stated in the rules section of each of my threads, then I can't help you. Now it appears that Green is going to drag payment out with polls and discussion which really isn't helping me at all since I need the funds and know those books will sell. But if I have to wait 30 days for Green to understand the English language and pay, then these books will be right here waiting for him.

Rupp's $3.69 DC READER thread - SOLD OUT CLOSED! Just a note that this lot may be coming back up for sale... I will keep everyone posted.

Going to start a nice DC Silver Age reader $3.69 sale in the Mixed Thread in about 30 minutes or so.

Just got all the Bulletman issues posted in my sales thread. More to come.

what would truly cut down on the behavior is if they got a life. nah, ain't gonna happen. as it's your sales thread, i don't see why you wouldn't be allowed to put this stipulation in but i may be wrong. many have blackballed probation listees (obvious) and members they have on ignore (understandable). Mike, I am just seeing if that would work, meaning I haven't done it yet. Just curious if anyone would thing it would help cut the shill down a bit. Can't see why I wouldn't be able to do that cause it my sales thread. I could be wrong but the only thing I know we really can't say is PP Personal. John Don't know if it would cut down on the behavior or not. They could still post the "take it" and never send the check or money order... which puts you in the same place with a lost sale and time wasted. Plus you might lose legit sales. When I signed up in Feb (I think) after just reading the board for years, I went on a buying spree and spent waaaay too much. Sure would hate to lose some of that legitimate newbie cash by denying them a way to pay with a credit card.

Don't know Taz at all but received this PM from him yesterday.

Palin is goin home tonight . Sorry, She's not going home this week For a second I thought Max was the one going home

Palin is goin home tonight .

I am still holstered (chaffs a little) but just to clarify, the sale was promoted and concluded in the Water Cooler, not the NGC boards. Sorry sir, I misunderstood. The Water Cooler was the place.

Thank you Pov for responding. I think I understand what your saying which I think is... ...had Thing had a 8 month late shipping problem in the NCG Board (which is where He11blazer's transaction took place) & said a flippant remark about the NCG thread rules, it's members & probation guidlines/list (if there was one), then that individual thread's rules would have been violated by Thing and that community would have acted accordingly... perhaps like a few of us here did. Since Thing is not a CGC Board regular user/member he's not expected to follow the same rules we follow here concerning on-time shipping, general respect & etc. Only on the NCG threads is he accountable. That's great for the CGC Board I guess... but I'm sure its gonna scare the comic buyers who might want to buy a coin or too. Let's just hope any future transactions with the NCG Board will be trouble free. You are correct tho, Pov... since Thing don't live here, I shouldn't & won't worry about it. I appreciate you sir. also holstered.

Pov... don't know you so bear with me. I admitted to Thing when he came back on and explained he was legit concerning the charity auction, "fair enough". The issue with the charity was null and void for me right then and there. The reason I said what I said was because I've been taken before on supposed "charity" auctions. Not here on the boards, but other venues. His not shipping the coin in question (in all fairness) shows deciet to a normal person. Who waits 8 months to ship a coin for a charity win? Yes, he finally addressed that too. Fine, he hooked He11blazer up with something he didn't want... 8 months later... after being put on the spot in front of entire board. Would this have carried on for more months had He11blazer not stepped forward? Probably, but who knows. The question still remains wether the original coin was shipped or not... still no proof offered. He11blazer is a saint in putting up with this for as long as he did and is a better person than most of us in regards to what he would do after being treated in this matter. What got a lot of people, myself included, totally ticked was his total disregard for the rules here and flippant attitude. You don't make light of rules put in place to protect people... especially after you just broke a majority of them. Pov, if you think I said what I said for a "standing in the boards" you are wrong. I said what I said because Thing's total lack of concern for the rules here was unjust, through and through. I will state again, he addressed the issue of the charity to me and I responeded with "fair enough"... that part was done for me. The others who participated in the charity auction were the ones questioning his integrity. He appeared to address all their concerns. The name calling and condescension didn't help him in my eyes and a lot of others. Tell you what, if Thing will feel better if I state "yes I feel he ran a legit charity auction" concerning getting the donated funds to those involved, then fine I will. After discussions with others, will I ever believe he shipped the original coin in question without proof he did? No I won't. Do I believe his comments about our rules here were flippant and uncalled for? Yes I do. Ask others, they will tell you that as well. Pov, we all have friends here that will back each one of us. I'm sure Thing is glad you have him in his corner. I just ask that you look at the big picture, he disrespected the rules of the entire board. Your board. Your rules. He doesn't care about them. In other words, he disrespected you. If you and 8mile want to support the views of someone who doesn't respect you or your board, then thats totally up to you. Jumping on a "burp" fest and dissing people who work in fast food is not the best way to get your points across. If Thing never wants to post his insurance reciept, delivery confirmation, lost mail confirmation reciept for that original $250 shippment to the UK, then thats his choice. Call me Captain Standup if you want... I just want to know that if I deal with someone here on the boards, that they are legit and that means they respect the people and rules put in place here to protect me. And you. If you all want to keep bringing it up, I will continue to state the above.