Ditch Fahrenheit

I know. I'm having a difficult time remembering who he hasn't told.

Here's the official update from Plitch (Paul) in the CG thread. LINK

I'm no expert, nor am I disputing what you've said. But I wanted to chime in and just state that ultrasound is considered a thermal modality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasound_energy Sure. The attenuation mentioned is the reason I'm guessing that the sealing process is not the cause of the defect.

The process is sonic. I think it has more to do with process than product and it could be as simple as a hand print on the back side of the inner holder when the sonic weld is being made. Are you sure? The patent only makes reference to ultrasonic welding of the case, not the inner core, so I wasn't positive. If the core (which contains the comic book) is sealed by ultrasonic welding, which would seem to preclude a thermal transfer issue in the sealing process, then I have a new theory (again, pure unadulterated speculation on my part ). Since the core is formed of two pieces of semi-rigid plastic (called tray members), and the bottom tray member includes the depression for receiving the comic book, and since the warping defect appears to only be seen on the back side, it may be that the warping defect is caused from the process that creates the depression from a flat sheet of semi-rigid plastic. I assume the depression is formed with a mold that applies heat and pressure to create the shape seen below. So, in other words, a problem with the creation of the bottom tray member, rather than a sealing issue.

Possibly, although I would assume we would probably be seeing the indentation occasionally show up on both sides of the inner well if this were the case. It's pure speculation on my part, and with little to no information, but it "seems' to exhibit the characteristics of a process issue rather than a stock issue. Maybe the people who have seen this issue can relate whether the indentation was repeatable (meaning seen in approximately the same location), and which side (front, back, or possibly both). The examples given so far appear to show only back side warping, which in my mind may point to a thermal issue with the jig that holds the bottom sheet prior to assembly and sealing. Again, just pure unadulterated speculation on my part.

I'm curious whether the sealing method is sonic or thermal. And if thermal, how much heat the book is exposed to in a process that "appears" to be warping/melting the inner well material.

The Flash Joining Arrow Before Spinning Off Into His Own Series, Wonder Woman Series On Hold Also a discussion here .

There was an old thread somewhere (I can't find it) where someone (possibly Roy?) talked to a grader about bad miswraps and miscuts in 9.6 or 9.8 holders. I believe the gist of it was that if it's a production issue, and no better copies exist, then CGC's position is it isn't penalized until 9.9 and above. Link? Thanks. That's not it but I think Roy may be referring to it. I think the title of the thread was something like, "Why is this a 9.8?" or some permutation. There have been a lot of discussions about what weight should be given, if any, to production-related defects. I see both sides of the argument and have probably argued both sides as well. It only really irks me with extreme examples like this MTU 33, but then I realize that you can't really make exceptions like that unless there's another scale for production defects. And that would be a giant clusterfudge. I hear ya. In my world that's not a 9.6 either. I always see this as "absolute" versus "relative" grading, where absolute is the deviation from ideal and relative is as compared to all known samples. I'm an absolutist. I think it makes much more sense to compare the sample to an ideal within some given tolerance and then grade based on the deviation from that ideal. It doesn't bother me if all specimens had the same production defect and were penalized for it. I think there's an inherent problem with relative grading since by definition it assumes that all specimens are known. I don't think that is possible. It is what it is, and I guess it's not going to change. But I have my own grading system that incorporates registration, PQ and a host of other items that aren't reflected by that little number in the corner, and I vote with my wallet.

There was an old thread somewhere (I can't find it) where someone (possibly Roy?) talked to a grader about bad miswraps and miscuts in 9.6 or 9.8 holders. I believe the gist of it was that if it's a production issue, and no better copies exist, then CGC's position is it isn't penalized until 9.9 and above. Link? Thanks. That's not it but I think Roy may be referring to it. I think the title of the thread was something like, "Why is this a 9.8?" or some permutation.

There was an old thread somewhere (I can't find it) where someone (possibly Roy?) talked to a grader about bad miswraps and miscuts in 9.6 or 9.8 holders. I believe the gist of it was that if it's a production issue, and no better copies exist, then CGC's position is it isn't penalized until 9.9 and above.

Must have been a bad production day. I searched around too, I can't find any without some degree of shift. Also checked the census, and nothing above 9.6. Might be fun to collect this book just because of the production problems - find the best centering, regardless of grade.

I guess it's pretty common .

Cheetah posted some bad ones a couple years ago. This Week in Your Bronze Age Collection!! Here's another from the same thread...

Thought you Brits might get a kick out of this...

via Imgflip Meme Maker It was a good story and I'm sticking with it.

2x4=8.0

Or possibly the fourth. Thats what i meant

Or possibly the fourth.

The threadcrapping rules make it impossible to even hint that someone's grading sucks. Unless you say something like, "Is that a 1/2" chip out of the BEBC?" or maybe, "Are those creases along the spine? Or scanner artifacts?

No, no, no. That was not the point of this post. When I've sold I've never had more than 50 or so things to sell...never anything this massive that I wanted to sell so quickly. That's why I asked the question. Please don't put a different intent where it wasn't to begin with. Peace, Chip Forum Sales Discussion Thread This is usually the best place to ask those kinds of questions. (thumbs u

I think this is a grey area. I have no idea what your detection skills are, but in my experience most people get it wrong. Even with the book in hand it's difficult to determine. Shrinkage and other factors have confused many people. Even if we assume that it is 100% trimmed, the seller may have taken it to someone he believes to be an expert, who decided that in his opinion it isn't trimmed. This happens all the time. So I don't think you can necessarily assume something nefarious on the part of the seller. One thing is certain. If you PM the buyer and tell him that the book is trimmed, unless he has excellent detection skills on a par with CGC, he's probably going to see trimming as well. It's human nature.

I didn't want to derail his thread, but I don't understand if it's limited to 40 or 50. Seems like it's limited to 50 (40+10).

Then it's settled then. I will call him Uncle Charlie.

Povertyrow is soooo much better though. Nope - not falling for it this time! So...I've gotten used to calling you POV. What do we call you now? GGM, Goog, Moog, just doesn't have the same ring to it.