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I think so. Can anyone else chime in to confirm? Correct.

Thanks for posting this Kimik. This is exactly what we were talking about earlier. This is an example of Shaken Comic Syndrome (SCS) with the Tray (Well) design. In this instance, an impact force has caused the book to completely break the bottom weld and fall to the bottom of the case. This has caused damage to both the bottom of the book as well as the right edge (in two large areas). Here is what this book would normally look like without the damage.

I am ok that you disagreed with me. That is good that you are aware of the circumstance. I think it was one incident but CGC is always willing to correct or fix their mistakes at no charge. I never have a problem with their service - it's still outstanding for a long time. I am still loyal to the company. It's odd that customer irritated/hassled them and eventually received some damaged magazines inside the encapsulation cases. Was it coincidence or conscience? Was he banned for being harassment or abusive? I'm a man of science, so I don't believe in fate. But sometimes it can be fun to believe that Karma comes back around and bites people that probably deserve it.

You'll have to be more specific. I have no idea what you are asking. SCS can damage ANY encapsulated book from ANY third party grader, regardless of the era. I'm fully aware of what happened. I'm sure that wasn't CGC's first irate customer; in fact, I'd bet dollars to donuts that it wasn't even their first irate customer of the day. If you are insinuating that CGC did a poor job of encapsulation because they were rushed, or worse yet did it out of spite because the customer yelled at them on the phone, I would respectfully disagree with you. CGC wouldn't stay in business very long if they conducted business that way.

Thanks for this Because mind didn't have the over hang bends or whatchamacallit it still looked secure just lower if that makes sense... Sure. Sometimes Shaken Comic Syndrome (SCS) can cause the book to completely blowout the weld, and the book will sink to the bottom of the case. But usually it's pretty evident when that happens. Here's an example. This happens to be a magazine, but the comic book version of this kind of SCS looks the same.

Those are the usual, old - school 'modern' wells that CGC has always used. Although it looks like several books are moving in the wells. I had one that I delivered to someone and realized that the book was sitting on the bottom of the inner well. Thankfully there wasn't any damage but this is something CGC should look into. I had a shipment last year that was damaged coming back from CGC. the bottom edge of the inner well had failed and the comics were sliding out down to the bottom of the outer case. The damage was consistent with the box of slabs being dropped from a height. It looks like the Saga issue might have his problem, but it's hard to tell. I could be wrong, but based on Janet's pics the Saga just looks like it was poorly encapsulated. The weld looks to be present and intact, just too low. But what Woogie is describing happens quite frequently. Here's an example: Before Shipping After Shipping

Classic examples of Shaken Comic Syndrome (SCS).

Hey buddy, To answer your question, with the exception of the Creep Engine Case, CGC has been been using two types of inner liners for years and years: A) the Tray (Well) Design, and B) the Sleeve Design. Each design has its pros and cons, especially with regard to Shaken Comic Syndrome (SCS). And yes, the current case (Frankenholder) utilizes both designs as well. Look around on eBay and you'll see examples of each. Examples Sleeve Design - This is your New Mutants #98 CGC 9.2 (Graded 10/5/18) Certification Information Certification #: 1996957003 Title: New Mutants Issue: 98 Issue Date: 2/91 Issue Year: 1991 Publisher: Marvel Comics Grade: 9.2 Total Graded At: 1627 Page Quality: WHITE Grade Date: 10/05/2018 Category: Modern Art Comments: Rob Liefeld & Fabian Nicieza story Rob Liefeld cover & art Key Comments: 1st appearance of Deadpool (Wade Wilson) Gideon & Copycat (Vanessa Carlysle) as Domino. Rictor leaves the New Mutants. Tray (Well) Design - This is a New Mutants #98 CGC 9.6 from eBay (Graded 9/18/18) eBay Link - (Item 332841668489) Certification Information Certification #: 0360707015 Title: New Mutants Issue: 98 Issue Date: 2/91 Issue Year: 1991 Publisher: Marvel Comics Grade: 9.6 Total Graded At: 4316 Page Quality: OFF-WHITE TO WHITE Grade Date: 09/18/2018 Category: Modern Art Comments: Rob Liefeld & Fabian Nicieza story Rob Liefeld cover & art Key Comments: 1st appearance of Deadpool (Wade Wilson) Gideon & Copycat (Vanessa Carlysle) as Domino. Rictor leaves the New Mutants. Grader Notes: None Available

Yes. Borax is the common name for the mineral sodium tetraborate. Most people are familiar with it as... And I can assure you that it was NOT used by CGC to encapsulate your comic books. CGC used to use the polymer polyacrylonitrile (PAN) for the inner tray; the licensed brand name for which is Barex. But thanks for the giggle.

Gotcha. I thought you were asking about what happened to the books in transit. Realistically, CGC should probably take a firmer stance on this and state up front that some reholders require the book to be removed before it can be adequately inspected for SCS damage. IMO, CGC should also make it clear that if SCS damage is found, the original grade may never be achieved (with or without pressing).

Buzz, I'm in the same forum and read the same thread. It's very clear by CGC Representative Darren Garoutte's statement below that he's describing Shaken Comic Syndrome (SCS). “Impact damage occurs when kinetic force is applied to the holder and the energy from that force transfers through the holder to the far more flexible material of the book inside of it. Sometimes this results in the case being cracked, but not always” There's nothing nefarious going on here, as this is exactly what CGC should be doing; namely, inspecting all books for damage prior to reholder. Books that have been damaged by shaking around inside the case should not simply be reholdered, they should be fully regraded. --- There are tons of books out there like this, and I see them all the time. Here's an example (this book is currently for sale on eBay): link - eBay item number:332830475870 Certification Information Certification #: 1277827004 Title: Superboy Issue: 188 Issue Date: 7/72 Issue Year: 1972 Publisher: D.C. Comics Grade: 8.0 Page Quality: OFF-WHITE TO WHITE Grade Date: 08/13/2018 Category: Universal Art Comments: Cary Bates story Dave Cockrum & Murphy Anderson art Nick Cardy cover Key Comments: Legion of Super-Heroes back-up story. This is a severely damaged book sitting inside an undamaged CGC case. Obviously, this book is no longer an 8.0. And in my experience with pressing out SCS damage, a press may not help this particular book, since many times the edge is torn as well as crushed. The sad thing here is that this recently graded book will probably be sold; the new owner never realizing the damage since he bought the grade on the plastic rather than the book within. It really pays to know how to grade in this hobby and to stay apprised of case design issues, rather than simply relying on third parties. To date, no grading company has a case which can protect the comic inside from the normal impact forces associated with postal/courier companies. The dirty little secret in this hobby is that anytime an encapsulated book is shipped through the mail, the book inside is exposed to a very high risk of damage.

Willy's way ahead of you Ditch... I was first. Edit: Decided not to link. Just check my journal.

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Great report, as usual.

We'll add rhubarb to your list.

Right now I do steel cut oats and yogurt, with cinnamon, raisins, and raw sunflower seeds for breakfast. Then twice a day I have yogurt and fruit (lately it's been bananas and blueberries). I haven't tried yogurt and rhubarb yet. My parents used to grow it for rhubarb pie. The leaves are poisonous as I recall.