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I dont think that the negation of a possible return (due to getting the book SSed and there being some damage as a result of the SS process) excludes a partial refund. poor handling didnt make the book restored, it just made it go from a 9.0 to a 6.5 A 6.5 has a 12mo GPA average of $186, there's not enough data to say what a SA 6.5 is worth... A SA Stan Lee in 9.0 was worth 45% less than the universal version. So Say a restored 6.5 is worth half of what a blue 6.5 is worth. controlling for slabbing costs (say $40) that means you should refund him 50% of 146, so $73 does that make sense? (Im not sure myself, so Im going to leave it at that, and get some sleep...)

the better you want your reputation to be, the longer you are willing to make amends with the buyer. I dont think there is a set answer. WC here's another one, how far back does restitution go? the most recent transaction? the last two? and so on....

They were part of a package deal, no? They should be kept or returned as a package deal. Otherwise it seems like it's sort of cherry picking. I just dont see how a book that has been irrevocably changed (by getting it signed) can just be returned for a full refund. Getting a book signed has an impact on both the books value, and the market that is interested in it. it's no longer the same book that was sold (not even considering the fact that it was likely damaged during some aspect of the SS process and lost significant grades. I agree he DEFINITELY shouldnt be able to pick which books to keep and which to return, but I also think once he got the book signed he no longer had an avenue for returns.

Here's my concern about the IH180. Because he decided to get the book signed by Trimpe there is literally NO WAY he can return the book he bought in the same state in which he bought it. The condition change from 9.0 to 6.5 certainly could have occurred due to the signing process either by Hustrucks own handling, or Herbs. You cant be held accountable for the grade drop when there are so many variables added to the books handling. I think you should (at most) refund him what you think the value drop from a universal 6.5 to a restored 6.5 is... (ignore the signature), that's the only part of this that you can still be considered accountable for (and then you can decide how to deal with the person you bought it from). And you're right he doesnt get to pick and choose which parts to return based on which get better/worse CGC grades. Would he be sending you $$ if the book came back graded HIGHER than advertised?

worth remembering that the local manager is not the one doing the inspection, so what they say doesnt really matter. its what the inspector thinks...

kyle, the way I read (and the way I think it was intended) the 1/100 comment was: Because you sometimes ship books in boxes, you say you pack in boxes (your post reasonably said that you use mailers when it makes sense, and boxes when it makes sense). He used hyperbole to make his point that using your logic if you shipped in a box once out of 100 times then you could claim to "pack in boxes with bubble wrap" as your PM noted here He wasn't actually saying you only use boxes once out of 100 times, just that... because you use boxes some of the time, you cant tell everyone you use boxes (because that implies you always use boxes.. as in "how do you ship?" answer "I pack in boxes"). All it came down to was you mistakenly said you shipped an order in a box when you actually shipped it in a mailer. No intent, no malice. A simple mistake. You are a good seller here and taco might have been peeved by expecting a box (based on your PM in the link) and getting a mailer. His feathers may have been further ruffled by your tone when he expressed displeasure about the use of the mailer vs the expected box.

Wow, they get a % EVERY time a piece is sold? That'd be a nice residual.

Awesome Cerebus! Do they still slab Counterfeits when they get submitted, or do they return them?

Ok, the word came from on high. My library of HCs and TPBs will not be making the trip to Europe with me. So Im getting a BIG list together to start selling. There will be lots of long trade runs (multi-volume) Omnibuses Absolutes HCs & TPBs Out of Print and Hard to Find trades Marvel DC Image IDW Darkhorse And many many smaller press trades... I'm researching my prices and putting the list together. I'll probably list w/o pictures just for simplicity this time (vs last time)

Here's his Craigslisting full of half truths about market sales data http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/clt/4377158575.html

While the Wolverine 180pages is getting all the hype look at this impressive mix of OA in the rest of the auction Ditko Spidey page Kirby Thor 164 cover (which looks so much better in the OA than in the colored page!) Waterson Calvin & Hobbes strip Miller DKR page Cockrum/McLoud XMen 94 page Don Rosa complete story Kirby Hulk 5 Page 1 splash Buscema Avengers 81 Page 1 splash with the whole team Kirby Avengers 2 page Eisner 7 page story with an AMAZING Page 1 title splash TWO Frazetta pages (A title page from Personal love, and from Thun'da #1) Powell/Wood page from Daredevil 9 Barks Uncle Scrooge page Alex Raymond Flash Gordon Sunday strip (amazing!) Wally Wood story from Mad Kirby page from Avengers 6 (Cap vs Zemo) Herriman Krazy Kat piece Kirby 1st page title splash from Strange Tales 103 Kirby Black Panther cover Winsor McCay Nemo strip Jack Davis EC Horror story complete Al Feldstein EC Horror story complete A very well known Larson Far Side strip A great Miller/Jansen Daredevil page (very noir!) A 4 page Jamie Hernandez story from Locas, and many other pages A Sunday Peanuts strip by Schultz Heck/Woods on Avengers 20 (great Quicksilver racing Hawkeye's arrow panel) Kirby/Ayers Strange Tales title splash page Byrne Days of Futures Past illustration splash An amazing Dave Stevens nude painting A Murphy Anderson Strange Adventures cover (with dinosaurs!) A GAWD DANG MOEBIUS PAGE More Neal Adams Green Lantern/Green Arrow pages than you can shake a stick at An amazingly designed Chris Ware page A McKean Arkhym Asylum 2 pager Bissette's Swamp Thing cover... Multiple Robert Crumb pages A Miller Sin City page An Alex Ross Batman cover Multiple Clowes 8 Ball pages Infantino's Mystery in Space #90 cover A Gil Kane Green Lantern splash page its just staggering the range of the offerings in the Auction...

And I just saw his WTB for covers of TOS39 and JLA1. (Offering $50-100) Wonder if he has coverless copies of that book, and is going to marry them (hope he discloses that little fact when he sells) or if he's doing something even crazier with the covers.... The pictures of the X-men 1 seem reminiscent of a craigslist listing, so I wonder if he came across someone trying to sell an X-men 1 on craigslist, buttered him up that he has "connections" and can sell it to the direct market (i.e. our board) and thus had his consignment... Looking at the guys posts I cant get a bead on his deal....

Sorry, got tied up last night. Glad someone finally let you loose!

the OP stated in the pre-wiped thread that it was a consignment. And the photo comment sounds like he doesnt have the book in hand...

Growing up on a cattle ranch, I'm always tempted to get into GA westerns, but knowing they have such a small collector audience makes me leery (I'm always conscious of my collections liquidity). Is that a fair assessment of the collector environment for Westerns, or am I mistaken?

Wow I really like that model, a nice solid base to it!

Lots of confusion abounds here when talking about UK editions. Do you mean a) A US comic produced and priced (Pence) for the UK market b) A UK comic produced and priced (Pence) for the UK market These are two totally different things and lots of people are confused by the difference. Just to clarify further, as far as GA comics are concerned, there are extremely few examples of A) as U.S. comics were not distributed in the U.K. until November 1959. And as far as B) is concerned, the black and white reprints that were produced exclusively for the U.K. market (mainly by L. Miller and Alan Class) that contained GA material have a very small fanbase, even in the U.K. Some of the reprints have the same covers and interiors as their U.S. counterparts, but not many. Hard to provide a proper rule of pricing for these books due to their being relatively few of them and the limited demand. The pence / cents conundrum is very much a Silver and Bronze Age thing. Thanks Andy, I tried to write something similar but deleted it as it didnt make much sense, unless you knew what I was talking about. You put it so much better than I could Most pence copies are silver and up but there are a few ga examples out there Well I guess it's hard to beat around the bush without citing the book in question. REDACTED BY THE SECRET GOVERNMENT OF LIZARD PEOPLE.

+1 Im a big fan of people making their case for their price. Note the eye appeal, centering, heck if you know there was a low outlier that had Tan pages and was a weird auction close date, tell me that!

I try to pick a data point and stick with it based on the type of book, and the # of sales. Sometimes I might extend the data window if there arent a lot of sales. (like if there's only been 1 sale in 90 days, but 4 sales in 12 months, I'll move it to 12 months to get more data points). Usually I stick to 1 point (like 12 mo GPA) and then ADD the extra info that justifies my asking price (like a higher 90 day average, or a big bump in the last few sales). Providing more info is fine, providing selective data is sketchy. And all the X-men seller did was cite a sales range (800-1500 on gpa) but that sale price range doesnt line up with ANY data in GPA. No X-men 1.0 has EVER a recorded sale in GPA over $1029, so to note a 1500 sale is erroneous for sure.

I agree. seller gets to ask what the seller wants to ask. posting GPA (when it's different) dampens the chance of sale and might dissuade someone from making an offer. My issue is when someone "cites" GPA inconsistently, inaccurately or manipulates the data to trying a "sell" the potential buyer on the deal. The seller did mis-cite GPA, either by accident or lack of experience with the data, or I dont know...That type of mis-information I think should be noted/corrected in the thread. [i remember someone citing 12 mo GPA in a sales thread, and then switching to 90 day when it was more beneficial, and then just citiing "last sale" when it was most beneficial on a book that had a big BIN hit that was a huge outlier vs the 90 day/12 mo averages] If it was just in a store, I'd walk out, but to me this is a community, and I dont like the idea of someone trying to take advantage of a member of our little community.

And now its been clipped. The OP cited that "Im seeing 800-1500 gpa" and tha'ts no where close to accurate (highest sale ever in GPA is 1029). He gets to ask what he gets to ask (or what the owner is telling him to ask) but he doesnt get to mis-cite GPA.

Let me go to the mountain.... For UK editions of GA books is there a rule of thumb for pricing? Some percentage of Overstreet? Not talking about anything uber ('tec 27, Action 1, etc) just a book that if it was the original US version it would be a few hundred... but its a UK edition (from the same year)

Wait are you saying that the book has detached from both staples? As a result of it's shipping method?

If someone would be kind enough to update the list. When was the new PM sent? After 30 days had passed and over 3 weeks of him reading and not responding to my messages. What DATE did you sent the new PM? Was it (or has it now been) 72 hours since sending it before you asked someone to put him on the list? April 12. Not sure why you fighting this... it's just the process. and I believe you've followed it!