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Nope it's not because it is Fox. It's because of the choices made by Fox and the director. I'd actually prefer it if Fox could get it right (or even better - cooperate with Marvel) then it going back fully to Marvel, since there would be more comic movies to watch. The reason that people have so much hate is simple, they perverted something cherished. I think even for the average comic fan (non-die hard FF), the original storyline/characters are something sacred, mainly because of Lee/Kirby and the fact that it was first. You can change it up a little bit to have it make sense on the screen, but they went way too far.

So you are saying if it completely tanks in the U.S., it can still make $400M worldwide. I guess that means whoever has never heard of the FF will go see it. I'll skip why you seem to think that is a good thing, but you mean to tell me that a handful of "FF nerds" can completely take down the domestic box office? There are millions of casual comic/pop culture fans out there that know a little bit about the FF - they go to comic cons, watch the movies/cartoons, talk to hard core collectors, and maybe even read the books. And I would guess that most of them have heard a little something about how this movie is not true to the original. I guess we'll see what they have to say this week.

Chronicle was good. I seen it twice. Put it in the Kick- 1 movie category. Back to Josh Trank now. It`s a huge red flag when the Star Wars guys parted with him. A huge Red Flag. Who would turn down Star Wars after being hired for it? Maybe Trank tried to change Star Wars like he did FF,but the Star Wars guys told him to take a hike? The real reason was that Trank was pushing for Michael B. Jordan to play a young Han Solo.

The first Fantastic Four movie was a financial success, making over three times budget which is why a sequel was approved. And even with any 'low result' Fox movie, they did better than The Incredible Hulk's 1.8X results. Origins did just as well as Captain America: The First Avenger, and that movie was a missed opportunity throughout. Fox have a $3.1 billion franchise that only cost it $1 billion to create is most probably why they won't let go of the X-Universe Franchise. I don't understand, you're saying this is all about money? That people make these movies to make money and not to cater to old fanboys preferred interpretations which retell stories from the 1960's? And that they keep doing it in order to make money, even though in some/many cases they're not putting out the best possible product? But what about the 300 white dudes who are 60 years old who have been collecting Fantastic Four since the beginning? What if they don't come to see the movie?? I have no idea if the movie will be good, the trailers honestly haven't appealed to me that much. BUT I do think that Michael B Jordan takes his roles seriously, and probably wouldn't be in it just to be in it if he didn't like the -script. Sounds like a fantastic movie executive. Exec: "Profits go up .003% if Bruce Wayne is a delivery boy instead of a rich billionaire. Let's do it!" Batman Fans: "That's ridiculous!" Exec: "Stop complaining. You think we make movies for you, we make them for profit!".

So then you have read Ultimate Fantastic Four? The cast didn't have to read it, so neither should I. Ultimate FF is the source material... You can't say it's disrespectful of the source material if you haven't read it. The overall source, is of course, the original Fantastic Four. The Ultimate FF wouldn't exist without the Original. The Ultimate FF is based on the original FF. It is a perverted version of the FF. Trank made a perverted version of a perverted version. Which makes him a insufficiently_thoughtful_person. If somebody reads two chapters from some dingleberries interpretation of Lord of the Rings, and That's ALL, then decides to make a movie about it, tells the cast not to bother reading any of it, including the original source material, adds a bunch of characters not originally in it and the director's OWN interpretation of what little he had read - people would go ASB. The 'B' stands for Ballistic. There'd be a mutiny. Because literature is respected. Comics aren't. At least not by Trank. And you could argue 'but it wasn't from the SOURCE material', but the way I see it: If Bilbo Baggins is in a story, I know what it should be based upon. I feel the same way about Reed Richards. First, it will have to work really hard to be worse than FF 2. Second, what's wrong with using Ultimate FF as source material? The books were really good, and arguably the best thing to happen to FF since the Byrne run 20 years earlier. Besides, we've already gotten Ultimate Nick Fury in the movies and that's worked out fine. As others have said, I'll withhold judgment until seeing the actual movie, which looks like a fun popcorn flick -- and far better than the latest Terminator or Mission Impossible sequels. Comparing Ultimate FF to Byrne FF is like comparing the 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special to Empire Strikes Back.

Here's another great quote from Trank: "I'm a really big fan of Bryan Hitch and everything he has done. A big thing that inspired me from his work in the Ultimates was seeing Reed in a garage. I absolutely wanted to tell the story of a young Reed Richards." A. Ultimates was a comic about the Avengers, not Fantastic Four. B. Bryan Hitch never drew Reed in a garage. It was Adam Kubert.

I think most everyone is aware of that... maybe not, maybe there are some who aren't. I always considered the 'Ultimate' titles to be flash in the pan, speculation concepts, put together by Marvel because they were too afraid to do anything to 'risky' with their 'properties'; and only did a short term amount of business because the people they were aimed at were primarily the ones too lazy to read the original material and understand and respect it in the context it was created. It would comparable to someone, thinking Alfred Hitchcock's version of 'Psycho' was 'outdated' and instead wanted to create a new story for comics based upon the Gus Van Sant version. They'd be laughed at. They'd be laughed at. They wouldn't be taken seriously. Comics, even ground breaking, industry changing CLASSICS, still don't get the respect they deserve from the rest of the world. And I don't like it. I look at what Jack and Stan did with that original run as respect-worthy in a Hitchcock way or a Beatles worthy way, at the very least within the field it was created in, and so, to ME anyway... when I look at how this KID Josh Trank has approached it, by ignoring it for this LAME knock-off version, and the CLEAR DISRESPECT he has for the original material.... I will NEVER in any WAY, SHAPE, or FORM EVER SUPPORT it. I agree the FF movie will probably bomb which is good for Marvel to get the FF back, but sorry man sometimes you really come off that if the stories are not like your childhood then you completely shut down. You do realize that most of the SA comics are impossible to read anymore without being bored right? Ultimate FF ran from 2004-2009. Stan and Jack's FF has run from 1961 to 2015. Pick up any FF from the past 5 years and it obviously looks nothing like SA FF - it's been 'modernized' for lack of a better term. But the comic still has the same bedrock that Stan and Jack built (personalities/structure/style). I don't know about anyone else, but that's why I won't see this movie, it's just not the Fantastic Four. I disagree. Reed from Civil War didn't have any of the personality of Reed from the 1960s - 1980s. Like Tony Stark, they updated his personality and lost the original character along the way. About slutty Sue, I'm guessing that has more to do with comics that feature her with Namor, Dr. Doom, and Black Panther. Did she cheat on Reed during Civil War? Yep, I agree with you. When I read Civil War I remember throwing the book across the room in disgust. Luckily, the writers since then have been ignoring that (as much as they can). The two lowest points in FF history are Civil War and Ultimate FF. And what do they have in common? They changed the core characters. Looks like this movie joins the list. I don't know where Trank's slutty Sue comment came from. Since he knows nothing about the comics, he probably just made it up. I've been thinking about it, and you know where Sue was dressed up and acting somewhat like a slutty secretary? In the first two movies. She would wear those glasses, and proper clothes, but have that hot pink lipstick on, and her shirt open one button to many. He's basing it off the movies, and has probably never even read the comics Yep that's it! Good call.

I think most everyone is aware of that... maybe not, maybe there are some who aren't. I always considered the 'Ultimate' titles to be flash in the pan, speculation concepts, put together by Marvel because they were too afraid to do anything to 'risky' with their 'properties'; and only did a short term amount of business because the people they were aimed at were primarily the ones too lazy to read the original material and understand and respect it in the context it was created. It would comparable to someone, thinking Alfred Hitchcock's version of 'Psycho' was 'outdated' and instead wanted to create a new story for comics based upon the Gus Van Sant version. They'd be laughed at. They'd be laughed at. They wouldn't be taken seriously. Comics, even ground breaking, industry changing CLASSICS, still don't get the respect they deserve from the rest of the world. And I don't like it. I look at what Jack and Stan did with that original run as respect-worthy in a Hitchcock way or a Beatles worthy way, at the very least within the field it was created in, and so, to ME anyway... when I look at how this KID Josh Trank has approached it, by ignoring it for this LAME knock-off version, and the CLEAR DISRESPECT he has for the original material.... I will NEVER in any WAY, SHAPE, or FORM EVER SUPPORT it. I agree the FF movie will probably bomb which is good for Marvel to get the FF back, but sorry man sometimes you really come off that if the stories are not like your childhood then you completely shut down. You do realize that most of the SA comics are impossible to read anymore without being bored right? Ultimate FF ran from 2004-2009. Stan and Jack's FF has run from 1961 to 2015. Pick up any FF from the past 5 years and it obviously looks nothing like SA FF - it's been 'modernized' for lack of a better term. But the comic still has the same bedrock that Stan and Jack built (personalities/structure/style). I don't know about anyone else, but that's why I won't see this movie, it's just not the Fantastic Four. I disagree. Reed from Civil War didn't have any of the personality of Reed from the 1960s - 1980s. Like Tony Stark, they updated his personality and lost the original character along the way. About slutty Sue, I'm guessing that has more to do with comics that feature her with Namor, Dr. Doom, and Black Panther. Did she cheat on Reed during Civil War? Yep, I agree with you. When I read Civil War I remember throwing the book across the room in disgust. Luckily, the writers since then have been ignoring that (as much as they can). The two lowest points in FF history are Civil War and Ultimate FF. And what do they have in common? They changed the core characters. Looks like this movie joins the list. I don't know where Trank's slutty Sue comment came from. Since he knows nothing about the comics, he probably just made it up.

I think most everyone is aware of that... maybe not, maybe there are some who aren't. I always considered the 'Ultimate' titles to be flash in the pan, speculation concepts, put together by Marvel because they were too afraid to do anything to 'risky' with their 'properties'; and only did a short term amount of business because the people they were aimed at were primarily the ones too lazy to read the original material and understand and respect it in the context it was created. It would comparable to someone, thinking Alfred Hitchcock's version of 'Psycho' was 'outdated' and instead wanted to create a new story for comics based upon the Gus Van Sant version. They'd be laughed at. They'd be laughed at. They wouldn't be taken seriously. Comics, even ground breaking, industry changing CLASSICS, still don't get the respect they deserve from the rest of the world. And I don't like it. I look at what Jack and Stan did with that original run as respect-worthy in a Hitchcock way or a Beatles worthy way, at the very least within the field it was created in, and so, to ME anyway... when I look at how this KID Josh Trank has approached it, by ignoring it for this LAME knock-off version, and the CLEAR DISRESPECT he has for the original material.... I will NEVER in any WAY, SHAPE, or FORM EVER SUPPORT it. I agree the FF movie will probably bomb which is good for Marvel to get the FF back, but sorry man sometimes you really come off that if the stories are not like your childhood then you completely shut down. You do realize that most of the SA comics are impossible to read anymore without being bored right? Ultimate FF ran from 2004-2009. Stan and Jack's FF has run from 1961 to 2015. Pick up any FF from the past 5 years and it obviously looks nothing like SA FF - it's been 'modernized' for lack of a better term. But the comic still has the same bedrock that Stan and Jack built (personalities/structure/style). I don't know about anyone else, but that's why I won't see this movie, it's just not the Fantastic Four.

I'm so glad I got Arch to add this emoticon a few years back. But I can understand the passion and sentiment. You liked things just the way they were from the beginning because it felt right. Meanwhile, there are going to be others that appreciate change more. That doesn't make them less of a fan because they can appreciate change over time, including modern social themes factored into the story. I gotta ask, why is Ultimate FF a modern retelling of the story? Because Josh Trank says it is? As far as I can tell that heaping pile of garbage was cancelled in 2009. The main universe FF was still being printed in 2015 - and the recent writing has been excellent (and very modern).

I think most everyone is aware of that... maybe not, maybe there are some who aren't. I always considered the 'Ultimate' titles to be flash in the pan, speculation concepts, put together by Marvel because they were too afraid to do anything to 'risky' with their 'properties'; and only did a short term amount of business because the people they were aimed at were primarily the ones too lazy to read the original material and understand and respect it in the context it was created. It would comparable to someone, thinking Alfred Hitchcock's version of 'Psycho' was 'outdated' and instead wanted to create a new story for comics based upon the Gus Van Sant version. They'd be laughed at. They'd be laughed at. They wouldn't be taken seriously. Comics, even ground breaking, industry changing CLASSICS, still don't get the respect they deserve from the rest of the world. And I don't like it. I look at what Jack and Stan did with that original run as respect-worthy in a Hitchcock way or a Beatles worthy way, at the very least within the field it was created in, and so, to ME anyway... when I look at how this KID Josh Trank has approached it, by ignoring it for this LAME knock-off version, and the CLEAR DISRESPECT he has for the original material.... I will NEVER in any WAY, SHAPE, or FORM EVER SUPPORT it. That could not have been more perfectly said. Thanks.

I'd say 645 issues or so.

So Sue Storm's extra ability is that she's "hyper-intelligent"?!? You've got to be kidding me. Here's a quote from Josh Trank: "There have always been two categories of Sue – the slutty secretary version, and this brilliant scientist version. This is a really, really smart Sue, and one that is dignified and has integrity." Always? Except for one brief moment, when Sue was corrupted (Malice), she has never been "slutty". And, while she is dedicated, loyal, protective, and powerful (as well as being dignified and having integrity), she has never been a "brilliant scientist" or "hyper-intelligent" (Except in the horrible useless fake Ultimate FF).

*ahem* John. Freakin'. Byrne. I put Byrne's run just under Lee/Kirby's FF and Lee/Ditko/Romita's ASM run for all-time greatness. More than Miller's DD, Simonson's Thor, Mignola's Hellboy, McFarlane's ASM or whatever else you want to throw at me. Byrne FF is simply awesome. I love the Byrne run as well, that is why I said they have not been relevant since the 80's. Nope... Lee/Kirby run, then up and down until Byrne, a deep dip, then some highlights (Simonson), A mixed bag with Heroes Reborn, then pre-Civil War was good but not great, Civil War sucked, then everything after that has been extremely high quality.

People are picking those apart, but those facts seem to not be dwelled on for too long, and I think it's because there's enough other stuff going on for those movies to defend such changes. And both changes were made for very specific reasons. 1) Hank Pym wasn't introduced because Marvel Studios had no reason to believe Ant-Man would do well for movie audiences until after seeing the combination of Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America (at a minimum) do well. BUT, Hank Pym is undeniably important in the formation of the Avengers, so they are forced to retroactively include him in the backstory (and us common folk will find out exactly how in the next two days!) 2) See above; Hank Pym isn't a major player yet, but Ultron needs to be, so it's natural to turn to the next top scientific minds as creators: Banner and Stark. PLUS, Stark's motivations developed since Iron Man 1 make logical sense when considering the leadup to Ultron's creation. Those are minor compared to how the Avengers were formed in the first place. SHIELD didn't form the Avengers via some initiative, the Avengers got together without SHIELD's involvement. Tony Stark footed the bill for the Avengers. Jarvis was Tony Stark's butler, not a computer. The Avengers found Captain America's frozen body, not SHIELD. My biggest problem with the MCU has to do with SHIELD being the driver behind all of it. Apparently, the Marvel cinematic superheroes wouldn't be able to function without handlers. And Marvel has gone to great lengths to align the current comics with the movies. We have people complaining about using UFF as the source for the FF movie, look what Marvel did to the Avengers. Read the first 200+ issues of Avengers and show me how what we are seeing in the movies has anything to do with the comics. Everyone has different tolerances what they'll put up with in a movie, but I think what has many people upset with Trank's FF is that the core personalities/concepts of the characters are changed. In Avengers, Thor is still Thor, Hulk is Hulk, etc. Most people can put up with background detail changes to make the movie better or make more sense. I'd have preferred to have seen Banner get hit with a gamma bomb saving Rick Jones, but zapping him in a lab is ok, as long as he turns into the Hulk we all know. The FF is not the FF in any way shape or form - they went the Ultimate route and it was a big mistake.

Also, I think there's something to be said regarding taking just elements of the source material, for exampled tone (from Ultimate FF), and not necessarily facts and exact storylines. I think that's where this movie will nail it. I read literally just the Marvel Zombies issue of UFF and LOVED it, and not just for the zombies parts. I guess what it comes down to for me, is that I have absolutely no desire to see an "alternate reality" b.s. ultimate version of the FF (baby team members, non-lovable Thing with no junk, black Human Torch, weird metal Geek Squad Dr. Doom, Thing's soprano voice). There are 645 issues of main run FF. What, they can't find any good storylines from those 645 issues? I want to see a good FF movie before I'm dead - the only way that is going to happen is if no one pays money to see this movie. Please don't.

Don't let that last trailer sucker you in. Just remember this one when you are deciding on whether to go: "Your parents, teachers, all told you one way to be, you ignored them." The FF are parents! And started a school! ARRGH!! It really doesn't matter what the final product is like, it's a slap in the face to FF fans. Please don't reward Fox and Trank with your money.

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Merry Christmas Pictureframers!!

That is sweet. A semi-picture frame 181. Nice!

Already checked, no dice.... I got my Spiderwoman Greek from him.... but he shipped it in a manila envelope with no backer! I should have followed my own advice I always give others to ask foreign sellers to ship securely..... for some reason I didint and my book was pretty beat up! If you do pick this up Von_Doom do not forget to ask him to ship your stuff with a stiffener.... I just sent them a note - hope it works. Thanks for the info.

Yeah I really like this version - Thanks!

Here's one from Greece that's on ebay. Link Thanks! Picked it up.

I was looking for these a while back, you guys have inspired me to start looking again. If you know of any other versions, please post - Thanks!