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Nicely put

LESS.... You'd know better than me, you're probably right. Personally I'd rather have a character drawn by the person that came up with the idea. Being this a mainly nostalgia based hobby, people collecting now probably feel a connection to Romita. Using the 25 year rule you might wanna consider McFarlane as the connection. Even McFarlane is done now, it's all about Bagley (whose work makes me lust nostalgically for the days of ..McFarlane...GAG). Somebody just dropped a crapton of interiors on Romitaman, and...well I guess it is what it is. But the rule is the Twenty Year Rule, not twenty-five Bagley and/or Todd. Depends on what you grew-up with. Romita, Kane, whomever. Each generation doesn't want the one that came before as they were never exposed to it or they got exposed to it through their fathers. In either case it makes that era a none starter for the next generation of collectors. Yes, there are examples of items outside of that generalization but for the most part it holds true. I don't desire to own a Neal Adams page, a Romita page, whomever from that era. I wasn't exposed to them growing up. I don't have the "feel good" memories they bring. They are nice but not what I am interested in having in my collection. I don't have a friend my age that collects OA that is interested in adding them into their collections either. We are interested in the guys who came out of Image, and the era of independent books. The generation after ours is interested in the books they read growing up. While I do have some Finch, Mitch Genard and other newer artist pages I can't say they hold the appeal that a Lee and/or Liefeld page holds for me. I use the 25 years as a rule. Yes, I do know what the 20 year rule is. Why do I use 25 years? The prices of OA art really makes it a 25 or 30 year after the fact before your average guy is gonna plunk down the money to start collecting now a days. I read guys in here discussing purchases starting in the mid-5 figure range and moving up from there. Heck, the major discussion in this auction is about a $454,000 vs. a $ 154,000 cover. Most people can't afford nor will they ever be able to afford that type of hobby purchase in their lifetimes. While I have a pretty nice collection it has been built during a time when OA art was cheaper. I could not rebuild my collection if I started today as it would be cost prohibitive to do so. I totally get what your saying, but there must be some kind of other collector out there....look at the prices for high grade grade comics from the golden age, from my limited observation they continue to escalate, would comic art be that much different? It seems that stuff is before people's area of nostalgia. Dunno, I'm just thinking out loud on this board.

"And even people who know very little about spider-man often know the arc of the goblin story post ASM 39 (whereas virtually none of them know anything abot the stories before it) " I think that's the observation I was pondering

LESS.... You'd know better than me, you're probably right. Personally I'd rather have a character drawn by the person that came up with the idea. Being this a mainly nostalgia based hobby, people collecting now probably feel a connection to Romita.

I thought the Eisner spirit story did well., about 9k per page......there were some really exceptional pages in there.

Maybe the winner of the B&W wanted this to pair them together. That's the only thing that would make sense to me

y A Saladino panted Adams stat for more than the Kirby surfer page

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We are probably looking at different stuff, but it seems solid to me

What's a Ditko goblin gonna go for now?

Man! These spidey 39 pages are insane.....

That's one of the best lily Renee pages I've seen.....I think Trina Robbins is hoarding the rest!

Thanks a ton for the pics and writing, amazing stuff!

Ha ha!

Originally Posted By: Peter G It is revolution of the masses that decide what art is significant and not a bunch of "know It all elitists" I know what you've stated is a generalization, but from my side, I think these people are necessary to define and explain culture, art and literature, I don't think that someone's attachment to pop culture and its forms as well as simple nostalgia does that. I have respect for many "know it all elitists" who take the time out to do this, though I don't always agree with them they offer different perspectives and insights, historically or otherwise. People can collect in anyway they want, but it doesn't make it artistically important because everyone simply "likes it". I feel that art should challenge something, thought, the visual or otherwise and things that challenge us are hardly ever "liked" by the masses and often take years or decades to be understood or digested, and often that takes a secondary party who has put in the time and effort to deep deep into a particular subject and relay to us their particular insights. And yes some of them are elitist, I agree with you there, but many are just really smart or inquisitive people who are helping make sense of our culture. I give cudo's to someone like Dan Nadel who is really working off to bridge the gap between comics and art, as well as define comics as an artform. This not an attack by any means, I'm just trying to a little perspective.

330 OA lots yesterday, and I'm tracking 300 of them. The quality of pieces being added to this auction on a daily basis is incredible, and perhaps its too much all at once. If so, then perhaps there's hope a few pieces will fly under the radar while the majority are focused on the must-have's. After all, its happened before on HA so the conditions are ripe for it to happen again. By the way, the quality of lots in this auction is not limited to OA. For those that still follow comics, there's no shortage of key silver age books in top shape. I'm definitely interested in how it pans out....it will give sense of how deep the market is.....I noticed Burkey put a dozen or so pages from his inventory that had been sitting for a while, one being the Kirby hulk 3 page that if I remember correctly, went from clink, to burkey, to comicconnect, back to Burkey and now at heritage.

I just went through the auction, looks solid! Too much at once ? I guess we will find out soon enough.

I was going to consign a painting to Sothebys years ago, they were happy to take it but advised me in volatility as well as recommended checking with the artists dealers first in case they had clients interested....I went with the dealer....it worked out well.....I appreciated their advise.

Has anyone ever been advised when they are consigning that they're consignments might do better spaced out or in another auction? Maybe something like, "hey, we have a lot of high end spidey in this auction, you might want to put them in our next auction"

VERY hard to find.....I've been looking for some time.

I thought the prices in our hobby were comical.....ha ha....pun intended!

Ok, just a few mainstream names, Jack davis, will eisner ( so influential to miller and macfarlane) Don Heck in the mid sixties( realy killed it for about five years as well as co creator of ironman and other popular heroes) and Jack kirby hulk pages.

Man, this is a hard one! So many in the golden age and formative age of comics as well as underground stuff from the sixties and seventies.

There's a seller on ebay that deals with loebs directly, I can't remember his name but a Messner loebs search and contact seller should put you in touch.

I wouldn't say Roy TOOK his glory, but rather the glory was given to Roy by the supporting system. I suppose someone could always buy Heath' s original for 35-45,000,000 and even the score.